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On August 08 2013 03:28 Chexx wrote:
9th August
1.Match 허지은 vs 김지선
2.Match 김가영 vs 이유미
11th August
1.Match 문새미 vs 권희경
2.Match 이가희 Walkover
Event Match
17th August
1.Match 이유라 vs 오은하
2.Match 한아름 vs 김아름
not really familiar with the female progamer so I cant tell you their ID.
김가영 = ST.Aphrodite
이유라 = BarbiePrime
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On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn].
No offense but you should probably mention that is on SEA server. A mid-master NA player could probably get into GM over there.
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On August 08 2013 02:33 nerak wrote:(If anyone can prove women in general do not have a harder time with mathemathics than men do, I'll be honestly open minded/hopeful about it)
how about you just read a book instead of expecting a starcraft forum to explain science to you? for centuries women were literally forced away from fields like politics and science and mathematics, so of course they're not going to perform at the same level as men, who have always had the freedom of going into whatever career they want and don't have to face discrimination based on their gender
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On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn].
Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually.
My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer:
-Plays full time
-Play as a means of livelihood
By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify.
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On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify.
How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify?
And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA.
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On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA.
I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that.
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On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that.
Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/
Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo.
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On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo.
Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though.
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On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though.
Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so...
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On August 08 2013 19:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though. Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so...
True that. You forgot to add White-Ra have two jobs and a familly. So the full-time thing is just bs
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On August 08 2013 19:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
I really wonder who will be in this league but also this could be a start point for female pro gamers to go big and perform way more often in major 'male' tournaments. Since there isn't really a gender restriction, they could participate everywhere. Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though. Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so...
If someone plays part time I think they are semi-professional by definition, regardless of how good they are.
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Canada16217 Posts
On August 08 2013 20:05 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 08:56 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
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Scarlett, Aphrodite, Miss_Cola, Maddelisk, Flo, Queene, Livinbee, BarbiePrime, MsSpyte, Kaitlyn. Except most of those people aren't progamers. Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though. Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so... If someone plays part time I think they are semi-professional by definition, regardless of how good they are.
My definition of Pro-Gamer is that you enter tournaments/make money off of playing and you practice many hours a day. And yes even if you play "part time" you can be a pro-gamer, Nerchio is a great example of this.
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On August 08 2013 20:35 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 20:05 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 08 2013 09:07 Willba wrote:
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Except most of those people aren't progamers.
Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene. And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers." [Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though. Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so... If someone plays part time I think they are semi-professional by definition, regardless of how good they are. My definition of Pro-Gamer is that you enter tournaments/make money off of playing and you practice many hours a day. And yes even if you play "part time" you can be a pro-gamer, Nerchio is a great example of this.
Definition of semi professional:
'Taking part in a sport for pay but not on a full-time basis.'
Safe to say Nerchio, Lucifron etc fit that definition yes?
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Canada16217 Posts
On August 08 2013 21:25 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 20:35 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 08 2013 20:05 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 09:14 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
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Livinbee, MsSpyte, and Colagirl are the only ones not currently on professional teams. Livinbee is GM, though, MsSpyte is high master and was recently featured on TL streams (to pre-empt the whole "popular stream because female" debate - WHY she is featured is a nonissue, the fact that she is featured and has a decent viewer count to provide streaming income is the key point since income is a major part of distinguishing a "pro"), and ColaGirl is a known progamer from the Chinese scene.
And even if you ignored those facts and considered those three not pros, unless you failed to pass 2nd grade math, 3 out of 10 falls far short of "most...aren't progamers."
[Acer's Scarlett, Startale's Aphrodite, Millenium's Maddelisk, Quantic's Flo, MYI's Queene, BarbiePrime, Quantic Academy's Kaitlyn]. Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually. My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer: -Plays full time -Play as a means of livelihood By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though. Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so... If someone plays part time I think they are semi-professional by definition, regardless of how good they are. My definition of Pro-Gamer is that you enter tournaments/make money off of playing and you practice many hours a day. And yes even if you play "part time" you can be a pro-gamer, Nerchio is a great example of this. Definition of semi professional: 'Taking part in a sport for pay but not on a full-time basis.' Safe to say Nerchio, Lucifron etc fit that definition yes?
Lucifron is full time for a while now. His brother isn't full time though 
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On August 08 2013 21:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:25 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 20:35 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 08 2013 20:05 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 19:10 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 19:01 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 08 2013 18:55 Willba wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Valikyr wrote:On August 08 2013 18:32 Willba wrote:
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Being on a professional team does not equate to being a professional, most of those players play part time or casually.
My criteria for distinguishing a pro gamer:
-Plays full time
-Play as a means of livelihood
By these definitions only Scarlett, Flo, and BarbiePrime qualify. How would ST.Aphrodite not qualify? And she's most likely the best female player considering she was actually high up in NA GM rankings when she played on NA. I thought she played part time, she doesn't live in the ST house does she? I thought the Aphrodite on NA was a smurf, but I could be wrong about that. Pretty sure she did live and train in the StarTale house for a while, not sure what the current situation is like though. And I don't think the Aphrodite account on NA is a smurf. I remember seeing her use it on stream? Although I don't know if that's the same account you're talking about so... :/ Best way to clear these up would be to just watch her stream imo. Yeah just checked, she was GM. I still assume she played/plays part time though. Don't see why that's relevant. LucifroN, Nerchio and Vortix are all players that have had big success while still playing part-time. Hell I think even Life was playing part-time at some point while still tearing up nerds in the GSL so... If someone plays part time I think they are semi-professional by definition, regardless of how good they are. My definition of Pro-Gamer is that you enter tournaments/make money off of playing and you practice many hours a day. And yes even if you play "part time" you can be a pro-gamer, Nerchio is a great example of this. Definition of semi professional: 'Taking part in a sport for pay but not on a full-time basis.' Safe to say Nerchio, Lucifron etc fit that definition yes? Lucifron is full time for a while now. His brother isn't full time though
Ok, but the definition still applies to whoever is playing part time.
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This is seriously derailing the thread, but I just can't resist:
How many hours is part-time? Is it 8hrs a day/40 hrs a week? What if you do paid work 8 hrs a day, and play competitively in average 5.8 hrs a day for 7 days (for a little more than 40 hrs a week, like, say 8 hrs on saturday and sunday and 4.8 hrs after work on week-days)? Are you then both a full-time employee and a full-time gamer, since you spend as much time as a working week on gaming? And how little time can you spend in a regular job until it is not considered a full-time job? 7 hrs a day? 6 hrs a day? Is that exactly the same as the minimum amount of time required to game for it to be a full-time job? What if you play in exactly one online tournament every week and winning, earning enough to manage without any other work, but only spending, say 4 hrs a week on gaming? Would it still be a full-time gaming job, since it's the only and sufficient source of income? Would you consider someone being a gamer first, but having a paid part-time job, at all? How much work could they do at the part-time job until you'd consider the part time job their full-time job? I'm sorry, it seems like you want gaming to be the only income, rather than considering the time spent and/or money gained...
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On August 08 2013 08:22 CmdBash wrote:
any vods available?
There hasn't been any matches yet. If there are any vods, I expect them to be available at http://www.estv.kr/Vod.
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On August 08 2013 18:08 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:33 nerak wrote:(If anyone can prove women in general do not have a harder time with mathemathics than men do, I'll be honestly open minded/hopeful about it) how about you just read a book instead of expecting a starcraft forum to explain science to you? for centuries women were literally forced away from fields like politics and science and mathematics, so of course they're not going to perform at the same level as men, who have always had the freedom of going into whatever career they want and don't have to face discrimination based on their gender
Or you could yourself read my next post after the one you quote, where I show sources of both views: both that women's difference in math tests is genetic and social.
I think I spent like 4 hours reading articles about how sex affects neurology yesterday. Here are some things I learned:
1) By no means the neurological differences between men are women are comparable to the "physical" (muscular/skeletal) differences, the neurological differences are much more subtle.
2) Men, in average, are undoubtly better than women in spatial intelligence.
3) Women, in average, are undoubtly better than men at verbal skills.
4) Taking hormonal conterconceptives affects women's verbal skills and spatial intelligence.
5) In a math test made in a college female students were told the test was "gender neutral". They performed just as well as male students in average, a sign that women perform badly in math because of stereotypes and anxiety.
6) In average, men and women use different areas of the brain to calculate.
So, all in all, the veredict would be that the effects of sex on human neurology are real, but much more subtle than we are made believe by stereotypes. Also, even in tasks where everyone is equally competent, cognition may vary between men and women.
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On August 09 2013 05:28 nerak wrote:
I think I spent like 4 hours reading articles about how sex affects neurology yesterday. Here are some things I learned:
Ah, no. This is not how we discuss medical topics. Four hours is enough to read something and then regurgitate it on an internet forum, it's not enough to have any kind of serious understanding about a topic this complex. This is like reading about Starcraft strategies for a few hours and then talking about how pros should change their strategies, except way worse.
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