EPTSC2 Power Rank - July 2013 - Page 12
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kolz
New Zealand16 Posts
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
Maybe a time will come when the majority of KeSPA players can actually prove to be able to do more than play Bo1s with strictly-practiced builds on specific maps, but that time is not now. Not with their, quite frankly, dismal performance at MLG. | ||
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Jmanthedragonguy
Canada1202 Posts
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rift
1819 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:46 Megiddosc wrote: This was a hilarious list. If your "Power Rankings" are to determine the best player after weeks and weeks of practicing one specific build on one specific map then fine, you have your list. I think that's crap though. A good player needs to be ready on any map, at any time. And that's why tournaments such as MLG are far more entertaining for me than Proleague. And you know what, there were KeSPA players at MLG! Maybe not the ones on this list, but that's because the ones listed on this list, except for Flash, were defeated in the KeSPA qualifier tournament. Dear, Stats, and soO did not impress me one bit at MLG. They didn't look terrible of course, but they did not look like they belong to some superior group of players that because they play in Proleague are automatically the best SC2 players on the planet. And these are the players that Flash, Innovation, Rain, etc. are playing in Proleague! I'm not arguing that Innovation/Soulkey/Flash do not deserve their spots. However, I'm arguing that considering KeSPA and Proleague, as whole, above any other body of players is incredibly ridiculous. Oh, and Hitman, Mini, Motive, and Comet looked terrible in the WCS NA qualifier as well. I know they're B-Team and all, but still, they represent KeSPA and Proleague. And one got defeated by LZGamer and another by Massan. In a Bo3. Hilarious. Maybe a time will come when the majority of KeSPA players can actually prove to be able to do more than play Bo1s with strictly-practiced builds on specific maps, but that time is not now. Not with their, quite frankly, dismal performance at MLG. damn dude, deep breath and chill | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:29 Kitaen wrote: flash is too high, did not beat anyone, had only average record in the pro league, hugely overrated until he delivers outside of pro league fantasy still plays sloppy as hell with horrible macro AND micro and is not even close to be better than polt in his current form jangbi plays NOT consistent, but did beat a few good players, bombed out in OSL though, does not deserve that high ranking aswell parting is missing, after showing decent to good play, above average record in pro league and making it to the next group stage in OSL mvp behind fantasy jangbi and super shaky sOs who lost to maru and sOO? not sure if serious first is missing completely after convincing victories over roro, leenock, fantasy and a not too long ago all kill over prime? 1 innovation 2. soulkey 3. rain 4. mvp 5. flash 6. sOs 7. polt 8. jangbi 9. parting 10. first Youre playing the game of "what have you done for me in the past week". Obviously the only games of fantasy you've watched was the one vs First where he played like absolute shit. I didnt know bombing out of the OSL means you should be excluded from the top 10, I suppose if Innovation got knocked out, you'd be saying the same thing? Obviously, you're judging Jangbi based on one fact. The fact that he dropped out of OSL. You lost all credibility of your argument when you said he's not consistent. Jangbi's been absolutely tearing it up in the month of June, it was rather a shocker he dropped out of the group of death especially after completely dominating Losira in the 1st set. First played fantasy in JULY. This is a JUNE power ranking. And yes, First did all kill Prime. But that was in MAY. Again this is a JUNE power ranking. He's been impressive though but to judge him on 4 games? Too small of a sample size. | ||
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Jealous
10321 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:46 Megiddosc wrote: This was a hilarious list. If your "Power Rankings" are to determine the best player after weeks and weeks of practicing one specific build on one specific map then fine, you have your list. I think that's crap though. A good player needs to be ready on any map, at any time. And that's why tournaments such as MLG are far more entertaining for me than Proleague. And you know what, there were KeSPA players at MLG! Maybe not the ones on this list, but that's because the ones listed on this list, except for Flash, were defeated in the KeSPA qualifier tournament. Dear, Stats, and soO did not impress me one bit at MLG. They didn't look terrible of course, but they did not look like they belong to some superior group of players that because they play in Proleague are automatically the best SC2 players on the planet. And these are the players that Flash, Innovation, Rain, etc. are playing in Proleague! I'm not arguing that Innovation/Soulkey/Flash do not deserve their spots. However, I'm arguing that considering KeSPA and Proleague, as whole, above any other body of players is incredibly ridiculous. Oh, and Hitman, Mini, Motive, and Comet looked terrible in the WCS NA qualifier as well. I know they're B-Team and all, but still, they represent KeSPA and Proleague. And one got defeated by LZGamer and another by Massan. In a Bo3. Hilarious. Maybe a time will come when the majority of KeSPA players can actually prove to be able to do more than play Bo1s with strictly-practiced builds on specific maps, but that time is not now. Not with their, quite frankly, dismal performance at MLG. Hi, welcome to team league RTS played at the highest level, please consult the years of history behind BW and WC3 before making assertions about Bo1 vs Bo3. In all seriousness, team league is valued over individual league in Korea, because results influence other people besides yourself. That is why they practice 1 build for 1 match, religiously, and moreso than any other player; winning is everything, not for yourself in an individual tour, but for your whole team. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:46 Megiddosc wrote: This was a hilarious list. If your "Power Rankings" are to determine the best player after weeks and weeks of practicing one specific build on one specific map then fine, you have your list. I think that's crap though. A good player needs to be ready on any map, at any time. And that's why tournaments such as MLG are far more entertaining for me than Proleague. And you know what, there were KeSPA players at MLG! Maybe not the ones on this list, but that's because the ones listed on this list, except for Flash, were defeated in the KeSPA qualifier tournament. Dear, Stats, and soO did not impress me one bit at MLG. They didn't look terrible of course, but they did not look like they belong to some superior group of players that because they play in Proleague are automatically the best SC2 players on the planet. And these are the players that Flash, Innovation, Rain, etc. are playing in Proleague! I'm not arguing that Innovation/Soulkey/Flash do not deserve their spots. However, I'm arguing that considering KeSPA and Proleague, as whole, above any other body of players is incredibly ridiculous. Oh, and Hitman, Mini, Motive, and Comet looked terrible in the WCS NA qualifier as well. I know they're B-Team and all, but still, they represent KeSPA and Proleague. And one got defeated by LZGamer and another by Massan. In a Bo3. Hilarious. Maybe a time will come when the majority of KeSPA players can actually prove to be able to do more than play Bo1s with strictly-practiced builds on specific maps, but that time is not now. Not with their, quite frankly, dismal performance at MLG. Agreed! SPL is so boring to watch for Megiddosc, wtf are we judging players based on team leagues??? We should be judging the players solely on 1 tournament MLG and GSTL. How many games did Kespa players win in the GSTL? 0. ESF WON ALL OF THEM!. My god SPL is putridly bad. players like Jangbi, fantasy and flash are awful players because Dear and soo bombed out of MLG! YEA, AMEN BROTHER!.All those b-teamer kespa players who barely see action in SPL, They looked awful!!! WTFBBQ WHY ISNT LZGAMER TOP10 IN LIST? STUPID LIST. OBVIOUSLY Kespa sucks! ...you have no idea what youre talking about. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:42 kolz wrote: In what world are Taeja and Polt better than Symbol, PartinG and RorO? Roro has looked awful in the month of June. Parting's record for the month of June is WLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWL, hardly notable. Symbol I feel should have been in the list but thats just me. | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:53 LighT. wrote: Agreed! SPL is so boring to watch for Megiddosc, wtf are we judging players based on team leagues??? We should be judging the players solely on 1 tournament MLG and GSTL. How many games did Kespa players win in the GSTL? 0. ESF WON ALL OF THEM!. My god SPL is putridly bad. players like Jangbi, fantasy and flash are awful players because Dear and soo bombed out of MLG! YEA, AMEN BROTHER!.All those b-teamer kespa players who barely see action in SPL, They looked awful!!! WTFBBQ WHY ISNT LZGAMER TOP10 IN LIST? STUPID LIST. OBVIOUSLY Kespa sucks! ...you have no idea what youre talking about. Congratulations. You can do hyperbole. When you want to discuss things, I'm all ears. When you want to see what these godly KeSPA players can do when they don't have time ahead to practice a single build on a single map, then check out these results: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:00 Megiddosc wrote: Congratulations. You can do hyperbole. When you want to discuss things, I'm all ears. In the past 2-3 pages, if you take the time to read my posts, I've explained exactly why Jangbi/Fantasy and Flash may be deserving of their spot. All you have is a hate speech. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:00 Megiddosc wrote: Congratulations. You can do hyperbole. When you want to discuss things, I'm all ears. When you want to see what these godly KeSPA players can do when they don't have time ahead to practice a single build on a single map, then check out these results: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers Oh, so according to that logic, I suppose Innovation and Soulkey are awful players. Dear soo and Stats are the face of Kespa and they bombed out so Innovation and Soulkey? Not even worth of players like Polt. Much less players like Flash and Jangbi. Yea, MLG should obviously the only way to judge talent. All those silly players making a custom strategy based on the map/player in the OSL, GSL and SPL. If they didnt pull of that b/s, they would be all bronze leaguers. | ||
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AlphaMan
13 Posts
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:03 LighT. wrote: In the past 2-3 pages, if you take the time to read my posts, I've explained exactly why Jangbi/Fantasy and Flash may be deserving of their spot. All you have is a hate speech. The thing that we need to discuss is that there is a disconnect between the way SPL/OSL sets up and all other SC2 tournaments. Do you want a player that can play any map, any matchup with no prior specific practice? Or do you want a player who can practice a single specific build to execute on a specific map? Personally, I'd take the all-around player. Which is why I'm disappointed that OSL is setup much different than GSL had been.But for those who followed BW prefer it the other way. What I'd like to know, is why? | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:05 lichter wrote: I bet the TL writing staff just laughs at how much TL likes to argue about the writers' opinions. I have no qualms of people making a case of why a player deserves top 10, but to discredit other people's opinions as well as formulating completely asinine arguments just bothers me. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:00 Megiddosc wrote: Congratulations. You can do hyperbole. When you want to discuss things, I'm all ears. When you want to see what these godly KeSPA players can do when they don't have time ahead to practice a single build on a single map, then check out these results: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship/KeSPA_Qualifiers Or this one: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1 | ||
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On July 04 2013 12:09 Megiddosc wrote: The thing that we need to discuss is that there is a disconnect between the way SPL/OSL sets up and all other SC2 tournaments. Do you want a player that can play any map, any matchup with no prior specific practice? Or do you want a player who can practice a single specific build to execute on a specific map? Personally, I'd take the all-around player. Which is why I'm disappointed that OSL is setup much different than GSL had been.But for those who followed BW prefer it the other way. What I'd like to know, is why? Megiddosc. For GSL and OSL, you know players make strategies based on the map and the opponent right? Just like how they formulate a strategy in SPL based on the map/opponent. "Do you want a player that can play any map?" Are you trying to tell me, the players on the list can only play certain maps and only certain match ups?? What??? So you're telling me, that these players have only 1 strategy in their repertoire and if it wasnt a bo1 they would fail? I personally hate the OSL Bo1 Dual Tournament format but it is what it is. And obviously the power rankings isnt judged purely on the OSL, but overall. | ||
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Baroninthetree
United States473 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:28 LighT. wrote: Fantasy got 1st in the group of death that had the likes of Jangbi, Losira and LIfe. He's also made one of the pimpest plays (although this shouldnt get much merit) in his game vs Flash. If he didnt have a brainfart in the game vs First, he's been pretty impressive overall. As for Jangbi. Samsung Khan is on the brink of elimination, Jangbi's been carrying Samsung Khan hard. He's one of the main reasons why Samsung Khan is still barely in the playoff race. being down 3-1 and winning 4-3 with Jangbi winning two of those three games was rather impressive. Jangbi also made it to the finals of the MLG qualifier failing to Dear, he was awfully close. Jangb dropped out of Ro32 but his competition of the group of death. He's arugably the 3rd best protoss Kespa has to offer. There is justification. Personally I also think Fantasy is placed too high but I can see why people slotted him there. Bo1 games don't count much, not in proleague, not in OSL ro32, at least not for me. As for his game vs Flash, another sample would be his game vs JYP, i wouldn't be too impressed at all. He might be Top 10 in TvT, but overall, definitely nowhere near 7th. I agree Janbi is the 3rd best Protoss atm in proleague. But 6th in the world? i don't think so. I even quite like Janbi as Kespa players. But falling to Dear was awful enough. I couldn't imagine any top 10 player falling to dear in bo3. No, not even top 20 players. Just look at how polt dominate Dear in fashion. | ||
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