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On July 04 2013 09:57 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:41 Rhaegal wrote:On July 04 2013 08:58 giririsss wrote:On July 04 2013 07:57 Jealous wrote:On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote:
Pretty terrible list.
Nice Kespa heavy bias.
How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else.
The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. Yea since eSF players are better than KeSPA players! OH wait. Yeah, cause rain and flash did so much last season in WCS KR... oh wait. I don't even mind the first two, but rain and flash being up there is just lacking any substance to it. It's just showing old bias with no legitimacy. And i'm not arguing for Lifes inclusion. He's in a slump and playing poorly. But others have done more than flash/rain and are ranked lower for no reason other than they don't play pro-league, which is just dumb as all of the mid-tier pro-league guys are most certainly not hands down better than everyone else and have regularly proven so. holy hell. . . lol. Are you arguing that there are eSF players better than Flash? Come to think of it, when was the last time Flash beat any top esf pro?I think Taeja might be better than Flash. He is better than Fanta for sure.
9 days ago.
When he beat Hero
And if not, Taeja 3 weeks ago.
If hero doesnt count, then it was Life.
Inbetween hero and Life, there are no Top eSF players that he's played.
unless you want to regard parting as one.
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On July 04 2013 09:57 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:41 Rhaegal wrote:On July 04 2013 08:58 giririsss wrote:On July 04 2013 07:57 Jealous wrote:On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote:
Pretty terrible list.
Nice Kespa heavy bias.
How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else.
The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. Yea since eSF players are better than KeSPA players! OH wait. Yeah, cause rain and flash did so much last season in WCS KR... oh wait. I don't even mind the first two, but rain and flash being up there is just lacking any substance to it. It's just showing old bias with no legitimacy. And i'm not arguing for Lifes inclusion. He's in a slump and playing poorly. But others have done more than flash/rain and are ranked lower for no reason other than they don't play pro-league, which is just dumb as all of the mid-tier pro-league guys are most certainly not hands down better than everyone else and have regularly proven so. holy hell. . . lol. Are you arguing that there are eSF players better than Flash? Come to think of it, when was the last time Flash beat any top esf pro?I think Taeja might be better than Flash. He is better than Fanta for sure.
There is also no way Taeja is better than Flash.
Whether if its head to head match up, or accomplishments in the past month.
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On July 04 2013 08:58 giririsss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 07:57 Jealous wrote:On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote:
Pretty terrible list.
Nice Kespa heavy bias.
How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else.
The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. Yea since eSF players are better than KeSPA players! OH wait. Yeah, cause rain and flash did so much last season in WCS KR... oh wait. I don't even mind the first two, but rain and flash being up there is just lacking any substance to it. It's just showing old bias with no legitimacy. And i'm not arguing for Lifes inclusion. He's in a slump and playing poorly. But others have done more than flash/rain and are ranked lower for no reason other than they don't play pro-league, which is just dumb as all of the mid-tier pro-league guys are most certainly not hands down better than everyone else and have regularly proven so.
ok, who has done more than Flash/Rain?
The rag on Flash from what I see is "well he hasnt won anything".
This is true, but thats nto how you purely judge a player. You look at his results in the past month, and he is one of the most consistent players. If he enters something, he gets far. The same rule apply to Soulkey and Innovation, except Soulkey bummed out in the MLG qualifiers.
Rain has been tearing up everyone in SPL. His PvT record is absolutely godly. He convincingly won his group.
Your turn.
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During the period of KeSPA players move from BW to WOL, lots of prediction abt how it gonna be, well this should be the perfect answer.
I dont agree w/ Fantasy and Jangbi place thou, their achievements are very limited to PL, what bring them to that position is more of the hype than the actual fact, for Jangbi he may get past the first round of OSL 2-0 but the 1 match rule is quite stupid imo and seem like what happen in the GSTL does not count anymore except for the fact that he use that as a reason to drop Life out (and I completely agree lol). Fantasy lose some and win some, his PL record is not even that great plus his recent collapse before First should hint that he still long way to go to get back the glory of the old days.
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How is Fantasy in top 10? and How in the world is sOs of all people in the top 10 after getting massacred in the RO32. I think Stardust should be number 10 with everyone else moving up a spot after removing sOs. Not a very good power rank imo.
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United States97274 Posts
sOs still made the season 1 finals taking out the GSL champ, beat Flash in AIG, and had a good record in Proleague. How can you justify removing him?
Jangbi finished in the same spot in the Ro32 as sOs. Guess we should remove him from the list, too.
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On July 04 2013 10:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
sOs still made the season 1 finals taking out the GSL champ, beat Flash in AIG, and had a good record in Proleague. How can you justify removing him?
but but... he lost 2 games he must be terrible...
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edit: real talk though
people are freaking out as usual because their favorite players or players they dislike are or aren't in the top 10, people complain even though this power rank is subjective and should always be viewed as such.
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Where are my MKP, MMA, Nestea, Leenock, Jumaji, Curious, and Squirtle?! They are entitled to be in a top 10 ranking!
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If I didn't know any better, I'd say this was a BW Power Rank. 
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On July 04 2013 10:34 mrRoflpwn wrote:
How is Fantasy in top 10? and How in the world is sOs of all people in the top 10 after getting massacred in the RO32. I think Stardust should be number 10 with everyone else moving up a spot after removing sOs. Not a very good power rank imo.
Fantasy is doing fairly well in PL and made the ro16 in OSL over Life and Jangbi. Decent enough for the month of June.
With his recent loss to First, and what will probably be a loss to Rain...possibly even Hyvaa, I expect he'll be dropped out for August.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
With Fantasy's one sided loss to First being played in July after the ranking period, I guess it doesn't count yet so I guess Fantasy is a reasonable choice.
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On July 04 2013 10:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 10:34 mrRoflpwn wrote:
How is Fantasy in top 10? and How in the world is sOs of all people in the top 10 after getting massacred in the RO32. I think Stardust should be number 10 with everyone else moving up a spot after removing sOs. Not a very good power rank imo. Fantasy is doing fairly well in PL and made the ro16 in OSL over Life and Jangbi. Decent enough for the month of June. With his recent loss to First, and what will probably be a loss to Rain...possibly even Hyvaa, I expect he'll be dropped out for August.
The fact that Proleague has so many games makes these players in the Top 10, which of course means little.
I agree that Flash can be the top 3. But Janbi? Fantasy? what have they won, like ever?
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It's cool to see these each month!
Mvp should be way higher ^_^
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On July 04 2013 11:12 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 10:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 04 2013 10:34 mrRoflpwn wrote:
How is Fantasy in top 10? and How in the world is sOs of all people in the top 10 after getting massacred in the RO32. I think Stardust should be number 10 with everyone else moving up a spot after removing sOs. Not a very good power rank imo. Fantasy is doing fairly well in PL and made the ro16 in OSL over Life and Jangbi. Decent enough for the month of June. With his recent loss to First, and what will probably be a loss to Rain...possibly even Hyvaa, I expect he'll be dropped out for August. The fact that Proleague has so many games makes these players in the Top 10, which of course means little. I agree that Flash can be the top 3. But Janbi? Fantasy? what have they won, like ever?
Fantasy got 1st in the group of death that had the likes of Jangbi, Losira and LIfe.
He's also made one of the pimpest plays (although this shouldnt get much merit) in his game vs Flash.
If he didnt have a brainfart in the game vs First, he's been pretty impressive overall.
As for Jangbi.
Samsung Khan is on the brink of elimination, Jangbi's been carrying Samsung Khan hard. He's one of the main reasons why Samsung Khan is still barely in the playoff race. being down 3-1 and winning 4-3 with Jangbi winning two of those three games was rather impressive.
Jangbi also made it to the finals of the MLG qualifier failing to Dear, he was awfully close.
Jangb dropped out of Ro32 but his competition of the group of death.
He's arugably the 3rd best protoss Kespa has to offer.
There is justification.
Personally I also think Fantasy is placed too high but I can see why people slotted him there.
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flash is too high, did not beat anyone, had only average record in the pro league, hugely overrated until he delivers outside of pro league
fantasy still plays sloppy as hell with horrible macro AND micro and is not even close to be better than polt in his current form
jangbi plays NOT consistent, but did beat a few good players, bombed out in OSL though, does not deserve that high ranking aswell
parting is missing, after showing decent to good play, above average record in pro league and making it to the next group stage in OSL
mvp behind fantasy jangbi and super shaky sOs who lost to maru and sOO? not sure if serious
first is missing completely after convincing victories over roro, leenock, fantasy and a not too long ago all kill over prime?
1 innovation
2. soulkey
3. rain
4. mvp
5. flash
6. sOs
7. polt
8. jangbi
9. parting
10. first
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On July 04 2013 09:41 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 08:58 giririsss wrote:On July 04 2013 07:57 Jealous wrote:On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote:
Pretty terrible list.
Nice Kespa heavy bias.
How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else.
The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. Yea since eSF players are better than KeSPA players! OH wait. Yeah, cause rain and flash did so much last season in WCS KR... oh wait. I don't even mind the first two, but rain and flash being up there is just lacking any substance to it. It's just showing old bias with no legitimacy. And i'm not arguing for Lifes inclusion. He's in a slump and playing poorly. But others have done more than flash/rain and are ranked lower for no reason other than they don't play pro-league, which is just dumb as all of the mid-tier pro-league guys are most certainly not hands down better than everyone else and have regularly proven so. holy hell. . . lol. Are you arguing that there are eSF players better than Flash?
Hero, Taeja, Symbol, MVP have all done more/as much than Flash recently. So yes.
Again, i'm not necessarily advoacting that Flash is bad, and he's playing well, and i could easily see him taking this seasons OSL.
But based on recent results he really hasn't earned his spot there. It's just stupid and detracts from the whole legitimacy of the power rankings. It's basically just a "we like these guys" poll there.
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Also, keep in mind this is all purely subjective.
This isnt "this is the unanimous top 10 and everything else is wrong" you are entitled to have input.
However, with that being said stating that the top 10 is wrong because such and such player x should be in there is completely irrational/illogical to state.
Take into the factor also that players just dont fluctuate from #1 to out of the power rankings because they had a few poor performances. It takes into account that the players skill has been proven to be solid however had suffered a few losses. Life is one of those rare exceptions because he's almost literally every game he's played in the month of June. Absolutely shocking.
Finally take into the factor that, this isnt "what have you done for me lately" but tracking the player's developments over the course of a month. People discredit fantasy for getting demolished by First, but I'm sure they forget some of his stellar play that lead him to being strongly considered and inserted in the top 10.
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On July 04 2013 11:31 giririsss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:41 Rhaegal wrote:On July 04 2013 08:58 giririsss wrote:On July 04 2013 07:57 Jealous wrote:On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote:
Pretty terrible list.
Nice Kespa heavy bias.
How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else.
The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. Yea since eSF players are better than KeSPA players! OH wait. Yeah, cause rain and flash did so much last season in WCS KR... oh wait. I don't even mind the first two, but rain and flash being up there is just lacking any substance to it. It's just showing old bias with no legitimacy. And i'm not arguing for Lifes inclusion. He's in a slump and playing poorly. But others have done more than flash/rain and are ranked lower for no reason other than they don't play pro-league, which is just dumb as all of the mid-tier pro-league guys are most certainly not hands down better than everyone else and have regularly proven so. holy hell. . . lol. Are you arguing that there are eSF players better than Flash? Hero, Taeja, Symbol, MVP have all done more/as much than Flash recently. So yes. Again, i'm not necessarily advoacting that Flash is bad, and he's playing well, and i could easily see him taking this seasons OSL. But based on recent results he really hasn't earned his spot there. It's just stupid and detracts from the whole legitimacy of the power rankings. It's basically just a "we like these guys" poll there.
????
He's earned the spot there as much as everyone else on the list.
It isnt "we like these guys" sort of poll although obviously there is always going to be small biases here and there.
I'm looking at your list.
Hero. taeja. Mvp. you seem to advocate that they deserve higher rankings than Flash because they've won something, Flash hasnt. Your logic for symbol seems to be Symbol go to the ro4 in WCS, Flash didnt.
Again, you dont judge a player purely by the # of tournaments he's won, you have to look at the games themselves, quality of opponents etc.
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