EPTRight when this PR came out, it was painfully obvious it was going to be PL biased, simply based on the number of games there are in PL.
Take it for what it is, and stop getting so worked up about it. lol
SC2 Power Rank - July 2013 - Page 9
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
Right when this PR came out, it was painfully obvious it was going to be PL biased, simply based on the number of games there are in PL. Take it for what it is, and stop getting so worked up about it. lol | ||
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RenSC2
United States1093 Posts
Overall, it helps affirm JangBi's place a little bit, but puts some doubts on the others. Dear, soO, and Stats all placed respectably in MLG, but all eventually got chewed up by the open bracket grind. They were comparable to ST_Sound, ROOT_Sage, or Col_TheStC... not exactly the top ESF (or former ESF) Koreans. Even with non-kespa PL regulars like HerO (13-11 in PL) and Jaedong (11-13 in PL) competing, PL members could not prevail over the likes of Polt and HyuN. Too bad Polt is coming from almost nowhere recently, or else he would definitely deserve a higher place. HyuN is in the same boat with almost nowhere to play outside WCS. MVP still looked better in defeat against Innovation than anyone else did and hasn't really lost anything other than that one series. He could be as high as #3. Symbol, KangHo, ForGG, and Bomber can all make cases for inclusion based on WCS. The #1 and #2 seem correct based on the WCS results, but the play for everyone else at the top is still way too close to really give an edge. So, it seems like the PR writers totally biased the PR towards the big name PL guys while a whole host of ESF or foreign team Koreans could just as easily slot in from #3 to #10. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:59 PerSe wrote: T That's got nothing to do with Kespa-bias though. That's just because Proleague gives regular results (weekly matches). You can't fault the writers for using the numbers that they have, especially in a monthly based ranking system. Really the problem is that GSTL doesn't have enough matches/ESF players don't get as much exposure, rather than with the methodology. It would be weirder NOT to use Proleague statistics. Don't get me wrong here. I understand why but if even TL is going to claim in a mockery statement that eSF can't reach high rank in PR its get annoying. It's bad enough as it is with the whole eSF vs KeSPA shit, we don't need TL to inflame it even further. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:01 Assirra wrote: Don't get me wrong here. I understand why but if even TL is going to claim in a mockery statement that eSF can't reach high rank in PR its get annoying. It's bad enough as it is with the whole eSF vs KeSPA shit, we don't need TL to inflame it even further. Which ESF players deserve to be at the top of the power rank? | ||
nimdil
Poland3764 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:09 nimdil wrote: Flash and Fantasy are too high. Especially in case of Fantasy I don't see how can one justify his high position in PR. Probably because Fantasy played against First after July 1st? | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:04 GolemMadness wrote: Which ESF players deserve to be at the top of the power rank? read comprehension...failing. Require...reboot. Fine. KeSPA! Elephants! eSF sux! Will never reach PR1! BW! Scene was a farce! Proleague! If you can't read and understand my statement this has no use to discuss. I am out of here, hf trying to jump around the issue. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote: Pretty terrible list. Nice Kespa heavy bias. How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else. The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. There aren't really any relevant ESF players. Kespa runs this shit. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:12 Greendotz wrote: I admit, I’m a total eSF fanboy and watch basically no Proleague (due to time zone nonsense and what-not) but are Rain and Flash really that good? I mean I read their reasons for retaining their 4th and 3rd spots respectively but it seems like a little bit of biased to me. Are there any Kespa fanboys out there who can help me see the light? Flash has pretty much locked up most wins in proleague and I think Rain might have the best win % for a person with a large number of games (so excluding anyone that might be like 100% wins 2 games played or something). Rain is either 2nd or 3rd in total wins. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
It's so different that you can't really compare someone like Fantasy to someone like Mvp really. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:12 Assirra wrote: read comprehension...failing. Require...reboot. Fine. KeSPA! Elephants! eSF sux! Will never reach PR1! BW! Scene was a farce! Proleague! If you can't read and understand my statement this has no use to discuss. I am out of here, hf trying to jump around the issue. What? If ESF players dominate this OSL, they will make it onto the power rank. If they have a mediocre performance and play no games anywhere else, they obviously won't. What do you expect? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:13 Dakure wrote: There aren't really any relevant ESF players. Kespa runs this shit. I'd love to know your definition of relevant | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:12 Greendotz wrote: I admit, I’m a total eSF fanboy and watch basically no Proleague (due to time zone nonsense and what-not) but are Rain and Flash really that good? I mean I read their reasons for retaining their 4th and 3rd spots respectively but it seems like a little bit of biased to me. Are there any Kespa fanboys out there who can help me see the light? Yes, they are that good. Rain is the best protoss in the world bar none (although, if First keeps on playing like he is, he may be a contender for that position) and Flash is just Flash. He keeps on beating nubs and sometimes loses. Basically what Flash does in SC2. He is not something extra, like Innovation, he is more like MVP. His strongest point (also Rains, actually) is playing safe macro, sick game sense and willingness to ocassionaly bring some cheese. Seriously, he is almost exactly like MVP - you don't even know why and how, but he just wins with the most basic, safe macro build ever. Well, Flash actually has superior macro to almost any player out there already... Also, if you like high level Starcraft, I would recommend checking out Proleague  They have free 1080p english VoDs on their Youtube, so timezone shouldn't be a problem... Winning shit. ^^ + Show Spoiler + j/k | ||
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eGoRama
Bulgaria1542 Posts
On topic, nice Power Rank. Personally I would lower Fantasy but this is my opinion. I am not convinced by his play last month. Also I hope that First can continue his great play and appear in the list next time. JangBi YEH! | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Terran fighting! | ||
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xluik
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 04 2013 08:31 xluik wrote: I feel that Fantasy and Jangbi should be lower, at least below MVP. Polt shouldn't even be there with the way he macro in his final game vs hyun, floating that much minerals.even though winning. He was just ahead of the meta this time with his hellbats maruder and hellion timings. Polt also bombed out of Dreamhack Stockhom earlier, dropping games to Grubby, Huk and Snuffles. Dreamhack Stockholm was in April. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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