EPTOn July 04 2013 07:24 SnakEhead wrote:
If you expected Flash to be #1, than how do you totally agree?
If you expected Flash to be #1, than how do you totally agree?
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:09 Gamegene wrote: You're so full of bullshit. WCS Season 1 Finals: Soulkey 2:0 Alive sOs 2:0 Symbol sOs 1:2 ForGG (former elephant) sOs 2:0 HerO InnoVation 2:0 Revival RorO 2:1 Revival sOs 3:0 Alicia Innovation 3:0 aLive Innovation 3:2 Mvp KeSPA placing: 1st 2nd 3rd 5th (the rest being eSF/foreigner Koreans players from the WCS NA and EU) WCS Season 2 Prelims (Qualifier Finals only) Pigbaby 2:0 Sacsri (Both KeSPA) Dear 2:1 Pet Mekia 1-2 JYP (JYP not KeSPA but proleague player) Kop 2-0 DarkStar ZerO 2:1 Sorry (Both KeSPA) Balloon (teamless before this result) 2:1 Kassia Turn 2:1 JKS Argo 2:1 Action (Both KeSPA) SongDuri 2:1 Sora Terminator 2:0 Hydra (Both KeSPA) (KT)Puzzle 0:2 Billowy herO 2:1 BeSt (Both KeSPA) Skyhigh 2:0 Aria (Both KeSPA) free 0:2 Sleep Reality 2:0 Zest (Both KeSPA) s2 2:0 Shark (Both KeSPA) Out of 23 open spots KeSPA players took 17 eSF players took 6 JYP took 1 CoCa took 1 WCS Season 2 Starleague Ro32 Group Stage: Group A: Flash Soulkey advance over Yugioh Ragnarok Group B: (All KeSPA) Innovation Bbyong advance over Savage Flying Group C: soO Maru advance over sOs Effort Group D: Trap Symbol advance over Curious Shine Group E: Fantasy Kangho advance over Jangbi Life Group F: First hyvaa advance over Leenock RoRo Group G: SuperNova Parting advance over Squirtle Yonghwa Group H: Rain Bomber advance over Keen Hurricane Head to Head: Kespa 13:12 eSF Out of 32 spots KeSPA took 22 spots, eSF took 9, Yugioh took 1 Out of 16 in the second group stage KeSPA took 11, eSF took 5 (not including results as they are July) Out of 41 players in the WCS Korea Season 2 Challenger League (Code A): eSF players hold 19 spots KeSPA holds 20 spots JYP holds 1 spot CoCa holds 1 spot. (most of the ESF players come from the Up/Down Groups, most of the KeSPA players come from the qualifiers). Lol, thanks for the hard work but this is hardly relevant as most of the players in your list have never been and will never be in consider for the PR. The fact remains that the top Kespa and top esf players are not that faraway in skill with Kespa doing better atm. Look at how Supernova beat Parting, Maru beat sOs, Bomber beat Byong, Fist beat Fantasy etc. Head to Head Kespa 13:12 esf as you listed, pretty close. What really happens when PL results are rewarded is that top Kespa players are rewarded for collecting wins against mediocre Kespa players ( they are mostly 50-50 head to head within themselves ) which is why it is laughable. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:09 Gamegene wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 04 2013 06:25 Assirra wrote: Really Teamliquid? Be honest here, you can win the WCS but you won't get high in PR if you don't play in Proleague. I understand that Proleague is great for making lists like this, but please avoid statements that make yourself look silly. Till the point that eSF players get to play in PL there is no way they will get close. You're so full of bullshit. WCS Season 1 Finals: Soulkey 2:0 Alive sOs 2:0 Symbol sOs 1:2 ForGG (former elephant) sOs 2:0 HerO InnoVation 2:0 Revival RorO 2:1 Revival sOs 3:0 Alicia Innovation 3:0 aLive Innovation 3:2 Mvp KeSPA placing: 1st 2nd 3rd 5th (the rest being eSF/foreigner Koreans players from the WCS NA and EU) WCS Season 2 Prelims (Qualifier Finals only) Pigbaby 2:0 Sacsri (Both KeSPA) Dear 2:1 Pet Mekia 1-2 JYP (JYP not KeSPA but proleague player) Kop 2-0 DarkStar ZerO 2:1 Sorry (Both KeSPA) Balloon (teamless before this result) 2:1 Kassia Turn 2:1 JKS Argo 2:1 Action (Both KeSPA) SongDuri 2:1 Sora Terminator 2:0 Hydra (Both KeSPA) (KT)Puzzle 0:2 Billowy herO 2:1 BeSt (Both KeSPA) Skyhigh 2:0 Aria (Both KeSPA) free 0:2 Sleep Reality 2:0 Zest (Both KeSPA) s2 2:0 Shark (Both KeSPA) Out of 23 open spots KeSPA players took 17 eSF players took 6 JYP took 1 CoCa took 1 WCS Season 2 Starleague Ro32 Group Stage: Group A: Flash Soulkey advance over Yugioh Ragnarok Group B: (All KeSPA) Innovation Bbyong advance over Savage Flying Group C: soO Maru advance over sOs Effort Group D: Trap Symbol advance over Curious Shine Group E: Fantasy Kangho advance over Jangbi Life Group F: First hyvaa advance over Leenock RoRo Group G: SuperNova Parting advance over Squirtle Yonghwa Group H: Rain Bomber advance over Keen Hurricane Head to Head: Kespa 13:12 eSF Out of 32 spots KeSPA took 22 spots, eSF took 9, Yugioh took 1 Out of 16 in the second group stage KeSPA took 11, eSF took 5 (not including results as they are July) Out of 41 players in the WCS Korea Season 2 Challenger League (Code A): eSF players hold 19 spots KeSPA holds 20 spots JYP holds 1 spot CoCa holds 1 spot. (most of the ESF players come from the Up/Down Groups, most of the KeSPA players come from the qualifiers). jw where did you get 22 kespa in the Ro32 of OSL? Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Trap, JangBi, INnoVation, Bbyong, Flash, FanTaSy, Soulkey, RorO, hyvaa, soO, Shine, Savage, EffOrt is 17 esf was Squirtle, Hurricane, First, Yonghwa, Bomber, SuperNova, Maru, KeeN, Symbol, KangHo, Life, Ragnarok, Leenock, Curious which is 14 neither was Yugioh (1) Ro16 was Kespa: Soulkey, soO, Parting, Flash, INnoVation, Bbyong, Rain, hyvaa, FanTaSy, and Trap (10) esf: Symbol, Bomber, First, Maru, SuperNova, Kangho (6) close to what you said but still different | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:09 Gamegene wrote: You're so full of bullshit. WCS Season 1 Finals: Soulkey 2:0 Alive sOs 2:0 Symbol sOs 1:2 ForGG (former elephant) sOs 2:0 HerO InnoVation 2:0 Revival RorO 2:1 Revival sOs 3:0 Alicia Innovation 3:0 aLive Innovation 3:2 Mvp KeSPA placing: 1st 2nd 3rd 5th (the rest being eSF/foreigner Koreans players from the WCS NA and EU) WCS Season 2 Prelims (Qualifier Finals only) Pigbaby 2:0 Sacsri (Both KeSPA) Dear 2:1 Pet Mekia 1-2 JYP (JYP not KeSPA but proleague player) Kop 2-0 DarkStar ZerO 2:1 Sorry (Both KeSPA) Balloon (teamless before this result) 2:1 Kassia Turn 2:1 JKS Argo 2:1 Action (Both KeSPA) SongDuri 2:1 Sora Terminator 2:0 Hydra (Both KeSPA) (KT)Puzzle 0:2 Billowy herO 2:1 BeSt (Both KeSPA) Skyhigh 2:0 Aria (Both KeSPA) free 0:2 Sleep Reality 2:0 Zest (Both KeSPA) s2 2:0 Shark (Both KeSPA) Out of 23 open spots KeSPA players took 17 eSF players took 6 JYP took 1 CoCa took 1 WCS Season 2 Starleague Ro32 Group Stage: Group A: Flash Soulkey advance over Yugioh Ragnarok Group B: (All KeSPA) Innovation Bbyong advance over Savage Flying Group C: soO Maru advance over sOs Effort Group D: Trap Symbol advance over Curious Shine Group E: Fantasy Kangho advance over Jangbi Life Group F: First hyvaa advance over Leenock RoRo Group G: SuperNova Parting advance over Squirtle Yonghwa Group H: Rain Bomber advance over Keen Hurricane Head to Head: Kespa 13:12 eSF Out of 32 spots KeSPA took 22 spots, eSF took 9, Yugioh took 1 Out of 16 in the second group stage KeSPA took 11, eSF took 5 (not including results as they are July) Out of 41 players in the WCS Korea Season 2 Challenger League (Code A): eSF players hold 19 spots KeSPA holds 20 spots JYP holds 1 spot CoCa holds 1 spot. (most of the ESF players come from the Up/Down Groups, most of the KeSPA players come from the qualifiers). Nice info but what has that to do with my point? Proleague is getting counted heavily so the players not participating have a serious disadvantage in these rankings. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Then why make a statement like the eSF ever would have a chance to get rank 1 like its some kind of mockery? Its nearly impossible to reach high in the ranks without playing in proleague. | ||
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giririsss
Australia10 Posts
Nice Kespa heavy bias. How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else. The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:36 Luepert wrote: Fantasy but no first. Seems legit. Probably written before their OSL games  First will make it next month if he continues to own like he has been. | ||
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PerSe
United Kingdom550 Posts
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:20 digmouse wrote: To all that thinks Life should be in the Top 10, one reason he is playing so bad atm is he plays a lot of LoL nowadays. No I'm not trolling or joking. I kinda get it, he probably dreams of surpassing Flash's e-sports status some day by not just being the best at StarCraft, but being the undisputed best at every game in existence at some point! | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:03 Nerchio wrote: I was scrolling down the list to see my nickname on the 1st place only to see my nickname mistaken? How can you spell "Nerchio" as INnoVation <3 that guy | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:41 PerSe wrote: Cream-of-the-crop Kespa> cream-of-the-crop ESF, especially with Life's slump. Really when you compare Bomber/Taeja, Symbol and Squirtle to guys like Innovation, Soulkey and Rain, is it that surprising that Kespa players dominate the top 10? But that is not why only there are soo much in the top 10. Read the explenation and count how many times they say Proleague.You can play awesome and go toe to toe with the best of KeSPA (Mvp) but as long as some people get a decent run in proleague you won't get high in the ranks simply cause you can't participate in PL. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:12 Shellshock1122 wrote: Where is  Lizzy? He's the furthest advancing Kespa player in the WCS AM qualifiers. He took out top players such as  TOP who took out STX's Mini. Before you scoff at WCS AM, just look at some things:1. JYP fled to WCS KR after failing to qualify for WCS AM premier or challenger divisions last season. He qualifies for WCS KR on the first try.2. After  HyuN qualifies in his bracket, WCS America will have 3 of the top 4 finishers at Homestory Cup VII including both finalists - TaeJa, Snute, and HyuN3. After HyuN qualifies and now Sound changing his region to AM (qualifiers were too hard for a Red Bull LAN finalist like him. impressive shit), WCS AM will have 6 of the top 8 from the recent MLG including both finalists - Polt, HyuN, HerO, Sound, Jaedong, and Sage4. Alicia dominated IMmvp at the WCS S1 season finals.5. Both Red Bull Training Grounds finalists have changed their region to America - Sound and GoldenAll in all, Lizzy's recent performance earns him at least a CBNC spot imo. Thanks.I withdraw this post after the Lizzy vs BBoongBBoong series | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On July 04 2013 06:58 bittman wrote: Beating a good player in a Bo1 >>>> any other result for power ranks. That ESF line in life's part though, seriously way to bait a shit argument. >>> results vs relatively weaker players like foreigners and in foreign events, etc. | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:37 giririsss wrote: Pretty terrible list. Nice Kespa heavy bias. How to make top5 on TL PR, play pro-league and do mediocre everywhere else. The TL PR becomes more irrelevant. Yea since eSF players are better than KeSPA players! OH wait. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: I withdraw this post after the Lizzy vs BBoongBBoong series Can't just be hipster for the sake of being hipster. | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:52 Assirra wrote: But that is not why only there are soo much in the top 10. Read the explenation and count how many times they say Proleague.You can play awesome and go toe to toe with the best of KeSPA (Mvp) but as long as some people get a decent run in proleague you won't get high in the ranks simply cause you can't participate in PL. Yea. Taeja beating Snute was some impressive stuff. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:31 painkilla wrote: Lol, thanks for the hard work but this is hardly relevant as most of the players in your list have never been and will never be in consider for the PR. The fact remains that the top Kespa and top esf players are not that faraway in skill with Kespa doing better atm. Look at how Supernova beat Parting, Maru beat sOs, Bomber beat Byong, Fist beat Fantasy etc. Head to Head Kespa 13:12 esf as you listed, pretty close. What really happens when PL results are rewarded is that top Kespa players are rewarded for collecting wins against mediocre Kespa players ( they are mostly 50-50 head to head within themselves ) which is why it is laughable. I think the average Kespa player is not much different from the average eSF, but when it comes to the top tier of each category, Kespa is clearly dominant. With guys like Innovation, Soulkey, sOs, Flash, Rain, etc. whereas you think of top eSF players and you have Mvp, Life, Symbol. In this regard, Kespa has the clear advantage. | ||
Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
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PerSe
United Kingdom550 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:52 Assirra wrote: But that is not why only there are soo much in the top 10. Read the explenation and count how many times they say Proleague.You can play awesome and go toe to toe with the best of KeSPA (Mvp) but as long as some people get a decent run in proleague you won't get high in the ranks simply cause you can't participate in PL. That's got nothing to do with Kespa-bias though. That's just because Proleague gives regular results (weekly matches). You can't fault the writers for using the numbers that they have, especially in a monthly based ranking system. Really the problem is that GSTL doesn't have enough matches/ESF players don't get as much exposure, rather than with the methodology. It would be weirder NOT to use Proleague statistics. | ||
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