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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:22 Klyberess wrote: I haven't suggested changing anything about the oracle. Ah, you just can't deal with them but you feel that you are at least halfway decent? Oh... sorry, I would give you a hug now  | ||
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:24 aZealot wrote: Wait, what? You want to mech properly and be able to harass powerfully? Right. I just made some observations about Strelok's games. You don't like them - well, I guess that one player playing mech in WCS premier is way too much. | ||
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Kabutomaru
Bulgaria226 Posts
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:16 scypio wrote: That's the difference of being good and being bad. If you're a good player you can take some damage, still you are in the game and go for the win. Innovation did 4:0 sOs after all. And if you suck you lose and cry your heart out on TL. Then don't cry about helbats? I pointed this out because this seemed to be very familiar to the case and according to Blizzard proxy oracles are fine. | ||
Falling
Canada11350 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:24 aZealot wrote: Wait, what? You want to mech properly and be able to harass powerfully? Right. The two actually go together. If by mech we mean siege tanks and not armoured infantry. Mech is relatively immobile and requires leap-frogging forward. It follows that mech needs to use harass units strike where the main army cannot rush to. | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
Removing healing completly would go away from the original purpouse of the helbat. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:34 Huragius wrote: Then don't cry about helbats? I pointed this out because this seemed to be very familiar to the case and according to Blizzard proxy oracles are fine. There is a slight difference. First of all, the Terrans have not learned how to deal with the hellbat drops.... yet. It may either take a bit longer time or be impossible. I would wait more - as we've seen with mines, oracles and void rays - waiting works. Unfortunately there is a lot of people who do not believe in building skills slowly and letting the metagame evolve Is 3 months that long? There is a lot of TvT fans who want their WoL TvT back as it was better. And there is a lot of P/Z players who want the T nerfed to grab more easy wins. And so it rolls. | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:44 doffe wrote: I still think making helbats unhealable by medivacs earlygame would be a good thing. why not make the medivac upgrade include healing helbats? that would make the earlygame harass unforgiving and still get the option to use them to counter chargelots and lings after the upgrade. Removing healing completly would go away from the original purpouse of the helbat. Best comment in this thread. That would be the best solution. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On June 11 2013 10:52 SoOJuuu wrote: took them long enough to figuire it out. sigh better late then never. In WoL people complained that they acted to early; now you complain that they take too much time. There's no satisfying... | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On June 11 2013 10:56 jcroisdale wrote: Something there not even considering is there late game utility. TvP when the terran goes mech, is so much stronger, because the hellbat is such an efficient harassment unit. The early game attacks are hard, but late game is just as difficult. It really isn't. Against mech if you get like 2 cannons per base you're pretty much super defended against hellbat drops. It's much better to do hellion runbys at that point. | ||
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50bani
Romania480 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:35 Falling wrote: The two actually go together. If by mech we mean siege tanks and not armoured infantry. Mech is relatively immobile and requires leap-frogging forward. It follows that mech needs to use harass units strike where the main army cannot rush to. I see. Thanks, I did mean siege tank based Mech (i.e. traditional/BW mech). I did not watch much BW (although I did play it, mainly on LANs with mates, in the first couple or so of years after SC1/BW was released). I do get the appeal (the slow and intellectual strangle) of positional based Mech play - even if, at times, I think some Terran players exhibit an irrational demand that they be able to have their Mech and play it too. Even if SC2, as a different game, does not necessarily enable that style of play; and thereby that strict analytic comparisons to BW as arguments for Mech are also incorrect. In this sense, I take it, that Vultures would have fulfilled that purpose, albeit in a different way, in BW which Hellbats may do in SC2? I don't necessarily see an issue with that, except that Hellbats seem stronger than Vultures and that Terran does not seem to lack for powerful harass options at all, especially against Protoss. And the fact that the unit hard counters the Zealot in the same way the Marauder hard counters the Stalker. (Of course, this may just be my biased Protoss heart talking.) | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Edit: Personally the coolest nerf I saw was a delay after them being dropped. | ||
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lailaiwd
United States65 Posts
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Kiran
Germany52 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:49 saltis wrote: Best comment in this thread. That would be the best solution. i don't play terran, but i think this option would pose a problem in medivac production as well, because you can't reactor them out with a tech lab on your starport. which means it would delay hellbatdrops even more... and as soon as armory and starport are scouted, it would delay so much, that those drops loose too much on impact... at least i think it could be that way... | ||
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glaresc
31 Posts
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GudulesmSC2
102 Posts
On June 11 2013 16:21 glaresc wrote: they're so easy to use that you can literally be a protoss player and win games with terran I'm a Terran player, once I played Protoss on the ladder. I did a DT rush and won easily ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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