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On June 04 2013 23:32 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:27 Sissors wrote:On June 04 2013 23:15 monkh wrote:On June 04 2013 18:30 Sissors wrote:
I dislike it with Steam, I dislike it with Origin (Although I am part of the minority who rather has Origin than Steam as lesser of two evils), and I will dislike it with battle.net if you have to use it to use SC2. How is Origin the lesser of the 2 evils? I hope new Blizzard desktop client is more like a LoL client than Steam so I'm able to queue from desktop not load an unneeded bulky menu system. Because I have had less issues with Origin preventing me from playing than steam. Both are unnecesary, but my experience is that Steam is more often irritating me with for example updates. I dislike that I need Origin, but imo it is more a background program than Steam. It takes a little work but steam and valve games in particular are some of the most open-to-the-user games out right now. I used to hate steam, and there are some faults, but the good stuff way outweighs the bad imo. I mean, their sales alone justify steam for me. Getting a relatively new game for 70% off around the time of a big release cycle is nuts.
Tbh any triple A title at steam generally is way more expensive than just in the local store, let alone webstores. Stuff like indiegames when they have sale are indeed really cheap on Steam.
But my main problem is that I don't want an online store (to open everytime I launch a game). I don't want a system so I can talk with all my friends when playing different games. I am sure it is nice for people who do want that, but I don't want that they ask me to bend over while they insert something where it doesn't belong.
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ugh :o steam is annoying if you want to just play games. Always torn between the effort to remove the need to have steam on for a game or just let that annoying thing nom on my resources.
Anyway one step closer to Blizzard making money with DLC i suppose, so always bad news.
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On June 04 2013 23:37 GhostFiber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:57 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Or maybe Valve and Blizzard team up and Blizzard runs their client as some sort of associated client to Steam. Blizzard are in short supply of friends if you haven't noticed. Valve certainly aren't buddies. If you know the relationship Valve has had with Activision/Vivendi, you will know this will never ever happen.
Steam constantly has COD adverts on the front page of the store which Activision publishes
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I love steam, I don't know if I'm gonna like having multiple clients like that though... Seems tedious to me as I hate having a lot of open windows. I like the embedded streams though.
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Oh god please no. Any launcher is simply redundant. Sure, you may be able to update/patch games by opening the launcher instead of opening the game then forced to restart the game after a patch. However, it's just silly for the purpose especially when the launcher itself frequently needs updating and forced to restart when updated. Then you need to be logged in order to launch any game. And worse of all the launcher is a background program that you can't close while playing and you have to relaunch it everytime you want to play a game. I'm sure windows is already the ultimate background program that I can't really get rid of. Why do I need a 2nd or 3rd one being an eyesore.
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On June 04 2013 23:49 monkh wrote:
Steam constantly has COD adverts on the front page of the store which Activision publishes
Activision Blizzard buying Steam advertisement space over other publishers doesn't make them best friends.
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Some key-points from the link that I feel people didn't read:
Keep in mind this is not an official preview, and many, many, many things will change before release.
-This replaces the launcher for all Blizzard games, and works similar to the current launchers, with background updates, repair tool, and more.
-Chat with Battle.net friends across every Battle.net enabled game.
-News - You can see all of the news from the various Battle.net game sites in the client
I'm not sure about this, first instinct is that I do not like it, though I am always wary of change..
On June 04 2013 19:11 KenZo- wrote:
You can bypass the "PLAY screen" by opening SC2Switcher in "C:\Program Files (x86)\StarCraft II EU\Support\SC2Switcher.exe" instead, for directly going into the game.. ^^
Great trick, thank you. I hope this will still work with the new launcher/client. I also hope blizz makes it a very very small footprint.
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On June 04 2013 18:30 Sissors wrote:
I dislike it with Steam, I dislike it with Origin (Although I am part of the minority who rather has Origin than Steam as lesser of two evils), and I will dislike it with battle.net if you have to use it to use SC2.
How is the program that scans your whole computer without asking for permission the lesser evil?
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On June 05 2013 01:12 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:30 Sissors wrote:
I dislike it with Steam, I dislike it with Origin (Although I am part of the minority who rather has Origin than Steam as lesser of two evils), and I will dislike it with battle.net if you have to use it to use SC2. How is the program that scans your whole computer without asking for permission the lesser evil?
I don't know how anyone can dislike Valve and Steam. Sure if you don't like DRM, I guess thats fine, but its not like Valve isn't being totally up front with what they are doing.
The desktop battle.net is a great idea. Easier to modify, easier to use and allows players to run it in the background. I love Steam for hoping into Dota games and contacting people are not in client. Hopefully it hits us soon.
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This looks really exciting!
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On June 04 2013 23:37 GhostFiber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:57 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Or maybe Valve and Blizzard team up and Blizzard runs their client as some sort of associated client to Steam. Blizzard are in short supply of friends if you haven't noticed. Valve certainly aren't buddies. If you know the relationship Valve has had with Activision/Vivendi, you will know this will never ever happen.
I just don't like the idea of everyone running independent clients as a prerequisite to playing their brand of game. I like if there were a few, but too many straight up competitions with no synergy result in cannibalizing games based on erroneous factors outside the game itself. Like when everyone jumped on the subscription bandwagon (as still do to a point). People are not going to manage 5 or 6 subscriptions for games (average consumer), similarly, people are not going to manage 4 or 5 clients.
Maybe we can hope Valve buys Blizzard away from activision/vivendi. I always thought they approached games similarly, at least compared to blizzard/activision.
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Never liked the steam style honestly. As others have stated, hopefully it's optional.
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I hope this allows me to talk to my clan mates and interact in general with SC2 without having that system hog running if I don't intend to play games or watch replays.
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On June 05 2013 01:12 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 18:30 Sissors wrote:
I dislike it with Steam, I dislike it with Origin (Although I am part of the minority who rather has Origin than Steam as lesser of two evils), and I will dislike it with battle.net if you have to use it to use SC2. How is the program that scans your whole computer without asking for permission the lesser evil?
Because they both do it? That is just intended behavior to make a list of installed games. You gave permission for it by accepting the EULA. IIRC in the beginning Origin might have had some bugs with that scanning process so it went to wrong locations, but really that is the last thing I worry about. It is the lesser of two evils since it runs (/ran) more on the background.
And really all that whining about some scanning of Origin, and a EULA that apparently was written by Satan himself was a bit hypocrite considering that all came from BF3 players who also accepted the PunkBuster EULA. Which is a fairly simple EULA: We are allowed to gather all your HDD and all your memory contents and transmit them to our servers, are you okay with that? How anyone could agree to that but worry about the Origin EULA is a mystery to me.
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so basically all this is useful for is to chat with people on bnet
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On June 04 2013 23:48 FeyFey wrote:
ugh :o steam is annoying if you want to just play games. Always torn between the effort to remove the need to have steam on for a game or just let that annoying thing nom on my resources.
Anyway one step closer to Blizzard making money with DLC i suppose, so always bad news.
I dont see how steam is annoying if you just want to play games. It loads at startup, most serious PC users rarely reboot their machine except for crashes, so its not like you have to wait for it to load all the time, you just leave it running while you are doing everything else, since while idle you dont even notice its there.
When it comes to loading up games, you just create shortcuts, i have all my steam games on my rocketdock bar, I only ever actually open up steam when I need to do something in steam. I really dont see what all the complaining is about, you guys just want something to complain about because you obviously can't take the great platform Steam have given you for what it is but must somehow find fault in it just because it gives you extra features... never in my life have i ever complained because I got all this cool shit, for free, on top of the game I want to play.
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I feel like only the chart is a useful function of it.
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On June 04 2013 18:18 Cokefreak wrote:
I hope it's optional to have...
Seconded. Having to log into this shit before logging into Starcraft would really annoy me. Also, considering I don't play WoW & D3 and won't be playing Blizzard All-Stars (if they end up releasing it at all), something like this is basically wasted. God, I hope they don't force us to have this.
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It's a good thing.
There's a reason why people like having LoL in a client like this
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On June 05 2013 03:57 dUTtrOACh wrote:Seconded. Having to log into this shit before logging into Starcraft would really annoy me. Also, considering I don't play WoW & D3 and won't be playing Blizzard All-Stars (if they end up releasing it at all), something like this is basically wasted. God, I hope they don't force us to have this.
This is not optional from what I can tell. If you read the link it's going to REPLACE the existing launcher.
It's still not a waste imo because you'll be able to chat with your friend who is in game, without launching the game itself. Also, you will have access to the news and probably live streams straight from this client which is great for people who aren't aware of the competitive scene. I still think it's redundant, but this is going to be the way of the future, this is how companies want to do it to keep track of their users in addition to keeping everyone more connected.
I think we need to wait until something is more permanent and certain before really judging this though.
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