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Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
June 03 2013 23:14 GMT
#101
Bad idea, reminds me of the time when losses were hidden.

Ladder anxiety is as much part of the game as macro, micro, etc. You have to develop a good mindset.
Die neuen Tempel haben schon Risse - künftige Ruinen - einst wächst Gras auch über diese Stadt - über ihre letzte Schicht
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
June 03 2013 23:16 GMT
#102
Blizzard moving backwards again... Though I don't think a lot of players get demoted because you can only get better, not worse. Except for when you don't know how to play a new race.
CountZero71
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany89 Posts
June 03 2013 23:16 GMT
#103
I don't get what would speak against this?
If you really do suck in your current league, let's say plat, I guess you will be matched vs. gold player then (until you're winrate goes up to about 50%). If you can't beat them regularly there won't be much of a surprise when the demotion comes next season.
Also, the meta in the lower leagues is kinda strange sometimes so it actually might take some time to adjust to the more "normal" games in a higher league.
I'm absolutely fine with this change!
You cannot kill what doesn't die...
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
June 03 2013 23:16 GMT
#104
On June 04 2013 08:11 Radicalness wrote:
I see both sides of the argument so far. Lots of stuff I hadn't considered but overall this seems like a good change.

I'm sure being demoted is a pretty quick activity killer for players that aren't very committed and play pretty casually. Anything that helps activity and keeps players playing is a plus in my opinion. Only time will tell the effect of the change though.


All I know is being demoted would light a fire up under my ass that would only be snuffed out by a promotion.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
June 03 2013 23:17 GMT
#105
I really wish we could just go back to iccup point system
:)
IMplying
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany58 Posts
June 03 2013 23:19 GMT
#106
1) Play Placement game.
2) Lose a few hundred games till your MMR is 0 before your bonus pool goes up to far.
3) Play unranked all season.
4) Spend all you bonus pool at the end of the season vs. Bronze leaguers.
5) ???????
6) World Rank 1 Masters.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13404 Posts
June 03 2013 23:20 GMT
#107
On June 04 2013 08:17 synapse wrote:
I really wish we could just go back to iccup point system


That system is way too punishing and "negative" for what players expect currently. I don't care so much what icon I have but I know many people in silver, gold, plat would. Its a change for them more than anyone else I guess.
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Wordsmith
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom93 Posts
June 03 2013 23:21 GMT
#108
This is actually unnecessary. Though I dont think this applies to GM, does it?
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
June 03 2013 23:21 GMT
#109
And the point of this is what exactly? Maybe next no matter who wins the match it should say victory for both players.....
Moar banelings less qq
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
June 03 2013 23:26 GMT
#110
I don't get what would speak against this?
If you really do suck in your current league, let's say plat, I guess you will be matched vs. gold player then (until you're winrate goes up to about 50%). If you can't beat them regularly there won't be much of a surprise when the demotion comes next season.
Also, the meta in the lower leagues is kinda strange sometimes so it actually might take some time to adjust to the more "normal" games in a higher league.
I'm absolutely fine with this change!


I don't have anything against it so long as its not overly abused. Just wanted to point out though that this change would in no way have any impact on your second statement about the strange meta in lower leagues. Promotions are not affected. An matching is still done via hidden MMR so your current league doesn't have anything to do with the players you're matched against after you've played enough games to stabilize.
About ChoyafOu "if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does" Idra
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:28:28
June 03 2013 23:27 GMT
#111
1) Play Placement game.
2) Lose a few hundred games till your MMR is 0 before your bonus pool goes up to far.
3) Play unranked all season.
4) Spend all you bonus pool at the end of the season vs. Bronze leaguers.
5) ???????
6) World Rank 1 Masters.


Pretty much my only worry about this change. And the funny thing is that by the time you've spent your bonus pool your MMR will be back up into the masters range so you won't get demoted next season. Rinse and repeat.
About ChoyafOu "if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does" Idra
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
June 03 2013 23:27 GMT
#112
They have this too in LoL to an even more extreme degree. Once you hit the next tier I don't think you can be demoted at all as long as you stay active. The flipside to this is that it's much harder and takes a much more consistant performance to be promoted which I dunno if I like.

MMR is still going to change like normal, but I dunno...I think I would just prefer showing the actual level of the player (in case of race switch or whatever). But if it helps some players be more relaxed while playing then I'm all for it...Doesn't really affect me at all =p
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
June 03 2013 23:27 GMT
#113
On June 04 2013 08:21 IamPryda wrote:
And the point of this is what exactly? Maybe next no matter who wins the match it should say victory for both players.....


Let's just play Tim Horton's peewee style. No points, no losses, everybody wins! Hooray! Everyone's APM can just be a row of 9s, too. I'm sure their brains are working that fast
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
June 03 2013 23:28 GMT
#114
On June 04 2013 08:19 IMplying wrote:
1) Play Placement game.
2) Lose a few hundred games till your MMR is 0 before your bonus pool goes up to far.
3) Play unranked all season.
4) Spend all you bonus pool at the end of the season vs. Bronze leaguers.
5) ???????
6) World Rank 1 Masters.


Wouldn't work because your bonus pts doesnt go as high as actual points of someone that is consistently playing. You can be rank 1 in your division, but in a few days people with higher MMR will climb faster than you.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
June 03 2013 23:29 GMT
#115
Hmm what if a lot of people performs really good (ex.in diamond league) that they are qualified to go up masters. But Masters League has limited slots right? So they won't get promoted either? Since no one it Masters is getting demoted that season.
AKMU / IU
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
June 03 2013 23:30 GMT
#116
Wouldn't work because your bonus pts doesnt go as high as actual points of someone that is consistently playing. You can be rank 1 in your division, but in a few days people with higher MMR will climb faster than you.


True. I don't think he was being literal about world number 1 but yeah its an easy way to get higher points than you deserve.
About ChoyafOu "if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does" Idra
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
June 03 2013 23:33 GMT
#117
Now it is even more like LoL. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I do not like this change.
T P Z sagi
Innovation
Profile Joined February 2010
United States284 Posts
June 03 2013 23:35 GMT
#118
Hmm what if a lot of people performs really good (ex.in diamond league) that they are qualified to go up masters. But Masters League has limited slots right? So they won't get promoted either? Since no one it Masters is getting demoted that season.


This is a common misconception. There are no limits on the volume of people that can be in masters (GM yes). It is also one of the reasons why there is something like 6% of people currently in masters even though its supposed to be just top 2%. This is because there are a lot of people who are inactive due to many reasons...fear of demotion being one of them. But this does not stop people from being promoted. If your active MMR is high enough to be promoted you will be, you do not need someone to fall out of masters for you to get a spot.
About ChoyafOu "if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does" Idra
Mayd
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 23:36:52
June 03 2013 23:35 GMT
#119
On June 04 2013 08:19 IMplying wrote:
1) Play Placement game.
2) Lose a few hundred games till your MMR is 0 before your bonus pool goes up to far.
3) Play unranked all season.
4) Spend all you bonus pool at the end of the season vs. Bronze leaguers.
5) ???????
6) World Rank 1 Masters.

If you are masters and play bronzes you get like 1 or 0 points per game until your mmr gets back to a decent level.
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virgo123
Profile Joined January 2013
6 Posts
June 03 2013 23:36 GMT
#120
love it. I don't get it much anymore but when i first played masters i didn't think i was good enough for it and i had some bad ladder anxiety.... was very scared of going on losing streak and getting demoted. I think this well help a lot of people with their ladder anxiety.
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