Seems kind of silly. The only time you would realistically be demoted is if your initial league placement was off when you just started playing because your mmr hadn't completely stabilized yet, or if you switch races or something. So, I don't really see how this helps anyone. If anything, it'll confuse new players when they get placed into gold by chance and can't be demoted the whole season.

Innovation

United States284 Posts

June 03 2013 23:39 GMT

#122

If you are masters and play bronzes you get like 1 or 0 points per game until your mmr gets back to a decent level.

Not true, points are based upon MMR difference, not league. Someone with a stable MMR for their league will get basically no points but someone who has successfully tanked their MMR will receive the same amount of points a normal bronze would get for these wins.

Zealot Lord

Hong Kong747 Posts

June 03 2013 23:40 GMT

#123

Don't have too much of a problem with this personally, I previously knew of some people who were on a losing streak and just stopped playing that season so that they wouldn't get demoted - this should help in that regard I think. I know people will say "then they will just get demoted the next season", while that is true, but at least it gives slumping players an opportunity to play through their slump and perhaps get their MMR back up before the season ends.

As for the if some people want to be lame and tank at the start to finish high 'problem', who really cares? Does anybody honestly think a player is better because he has that top #8 icon on his career page instead of a #25? Not to mention, a master league player that is 0 wins and 50 losses at one point, everyone knows what he is doing, it'd stink up his name. And if he is a barcode player? Even better, nobody would even pay more than a second of attention that he is the 'best master league player in the world.'

maximizer

Germany24 Posts

June 03 2013 23:43 GMT

#124

Holy fuck blizzard whats next???!!! Grandmasterleague for everyone? I mean come on, there´ve already been several posts on that masterleague is wayyy to big. And next season evreryone who gets on a lucky winning streak is going to be promoted to master league? So that at the end of the season 30% are in master league?

Makes me really believe that the majority of the sc2 players are a bunch of 13 year old girls. "I am so anxious to ladder", "i could get beaten" "If I queue I might drop out of plastic league".... T_T

If I was a game dev I´d change the demotion message to "Due to your horrible performance you are even too bad for league XYZ. You are bad and you should feel bad!"

edit: or does it just implicate, because the % of the ladder are fixed that you cant be promoted either? trolololololololo

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llIH

Norway2143 Posts

June 03 2013 23:50 GMT

#125

This is a good tool to prevent smurfing indeed

maximizer

Germany24 Posts

June 03 2013 23:53 GMT

#126

On June 04 2013 08:50 llIH wrote:
This is a good tool to prevent smurfing indeed

No, its not! Read the bluepost carefully. You can still get demoted by dropping mmr and then clicking the "leave league" button.

schaf

Germany1326 Posts

June 03 2013 23:54 GMT

#127

damn, now its even more meaningless which league you are... wtf Blizzard

DenTenker

United States606 Posts

June 03 2013 23:55 GMT

#128

I don't really see a huge problem with this. Sure, there will be people that go on a winning streak and get promoted into a league they don't belong to, but the ladder will just demoted them next season if they can't prove themselves. This is essentially the system that was already in place, except that the "clean sweep" of players not performing well enough happens every 11 weeks instead of anytime a player's MMR drops low enough.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

June 03 2013 23:56 GMT

#129

I actually support this idea, but it's far from perfect. Prior to this, when people get into a better league than they deserve, they are strongly discouraged to continue playing in order to preserve their league. Now they can keep playing, and their MMR will still match them against the right opponents. This is more of a hacky solution to the poor ladder system, but I hope that Blizzard can find a better way to implement it in the future.

doktorLucifer

United States855 Posts

June 03 2013 23:57 GMT

#130

I have some ladder anxiety too, but this is stupid. How will I actually get a good sense of whether I'm ctually improving or not?

Sluggy

United States128 Posts

June 04 2013 00:02 GMT

#131

On June 04 2013 08:57 doktorLucifer wrote:
I have some ladder anxiety too, but this is stupid. How will I actually get a good sense of whether I'm ctually improving or not?

play the game and look at how you're doing compared to your previous games. If you start playing opponents that feel stronger your mmr probably went up.

Dyme

Germany523 Posts

June 04 2013 00:02 GMT

#132

I really like this.

First of all, it makes seasons more meaningful, if something at the end actually can happen.

Secondly, you get achievements for finishing a season in a specific league. If you got placed into Diamond but you are afraid for whatever reason that you might drop out again, the achievements encourage you to not play.
(Of course achievements don't matter in a rational world, but people aren't rational. And leagues technically also don't matter.)

Superlative

Sweden9 Posts

June 04 2013 00:04 GMT

#133

Im pretty sure blizzards point is having "ladder lock" during the whole season (except promotes). Note that if you play bad you're gonna play people in a league lower (the mmr isnt locked). I think blizzard noticed "que" spikes during season lock.

Champi

1422 Posts

June 04 2013 00:05 GMT

#134

doesnt really affect me since ive never been demoted before, but i think its a good change that can help fight the battle against the infamous ladder anxiety! :D

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

June 04 2013 00:12 GMT

#135

On June 04 2013 07:58 Sad[Panda] wrote:

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you can still get promotions mid season, its only demotions that wont happen.

essentially you can go up not down

Oh ok, then that's kinda weird but I'm fine with it :D

BabyToss!

Czech Republic588 Posts

June 04 2013 00:12 GMT

#136

Feels a bit odd to me and I wonder what Blizzard is trying to achieve with this. Honestly, I do not have a logical idea as to why they would go ahead with this change... Might be just me, though.

Tuthur

France985 Posts

June 04 2013 00:13 GMT

#137

Well that sucks.

Blizzard doesn't want to hurt the poor player feelings I guess.

LimeNade

United States2125 Posts

June 04 2013 00:14 GMT

#138

GM 100% has to be an exception or it would defeat the whole point of GM as people could get it and be inactive aka not really being a legit top 200 anymore.

Ecstatic

United States160 Posts

June 04 2013 00:14 GMT

#139

This topic pretty much shows that people care way too much about league. ELO is what matters and nothing is changing about that system. People who are having examples of where they were not located in the right league - it does not matter, your ELO will still drop and you'll still play against people your level. None of that changes, you just get to keep that shiny gold badge for a couple more games.

HornyHydra

Taiwan222 Posts

June 04 2013 00:15 GMT

#140

On June 04 2013 08:28 phodacbiet wrote:

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Wouldn't work because your bonus pts doesnt go as high as actual points of someone that is consistently playing. You can be rank 1 in your division, but in a few days people with higher MMR will climb faster than you.

I think the point is to take advantage of the bonus pool that builds up by getting what are essentially free wins off of lower level players. The number of points you can get from the bonus pool as well as free wins is scary to think about. (It's not going to be approaching infinity, but a player can reach a number of points that they would not otherwise be able to, if they abuse something like this.)