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You can no longer be demoted during a season! - Page 15

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Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
June 04 2013 12:03 GMT
#281
On June 04 2013 06:59 phuzi0n wrote:
Does that mean GM players can't be demoted either? If so then the first people to make GM would stay GM all season.


Thats pretty much the case anyway.. You can play like 8-10 games a week and never be demoted..
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
June 04 2013 12:08 GMT
#282
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.
Bahajinbo
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany488 Posts
June 04 2013 12:09 GMT
#283
I don't care that much, I'm master masters anyway.
But for beginners, it is better and not that demoralizing.
Qbyx
Profile Joined November 2007
Romania210 Posts
June 04 2013 12:11 GMT
#284
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.


Not every people player plays for improvement, which is still a correct attitude.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 12:17:18
June 04 2013 12:15 GMT
#285
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.

Perspective from the top down is entirely different. Also the phrase, "...very foreigner of you." is very foreigner of you to use. If you'll allow me the use of your own implication.
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
June 04 2013 12:17 GMT
#286
On June 04 2013 21:11 Qbyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.


Not every people player plays for improvement, which is still a correct attitude.


It might be just me but I feel that this game is made to be competetive in it. I wouldnt ever play it for fun .. its not fun; you have to learn so much focus so much and execute everything properly and all this so you can just play it .. its really more a competiton than a game and its made to be that way.
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
June 04 2013 12:17 GMT
#287
I don't see why people make such a big fuss out of it. Leagues mean nothing, MMR decides who you play against and is therefore a measure of how well you're doing. As long as I get properly tuned opponents as my skill level goes up (or down), it doesn't matter what colour the shiny border around my portrait is.
Such flammable little insects!
BaneRain
Profile Joined October 2012
Belgium3 Posts
June 04 2013 12:32 GMT
#288
On June 04 2013 21:17 Rannasha wrote:
I don't see why people make such a big fuss out of it. Leagues mean nothing, MMR decides who you play against and is therefore a measure of how well you're doing. As long as I get properly tuned opponents as my skill level goes up (or down), it doesn't matter what colour the shiny border around my portrait is.


People care about their league and not about MMR, because leagues are visible and MMR is not.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 04 2013 12:35 GMT
#289
I wanted GM players to be demoted within the season if they suck.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
June 04 2013 12:35 GMT
#290
On June 04 2013 21:15 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.

Perspective from the top down is entirely different. Also the phrase, "...very foreigner of you." is very foreigner of you to use. If you'll allow me the use of your own implication.

Haha good one boss.
It is hard to find offense to that when I speak, read, and write Korean. Born in Korea and have Korean heritage.

It is hard to say that EU/NA has the correct attitude towards improvement when Koreans have won all 3 regions of WCS, but what do I know.
Keep crying about imbalance, aggressive strategies, and Blizzard not doing enough to help you. It'll get you very far.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
June 04 2013 12:38 GMT
#291
On June 04 2013 21:32 BaneRain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:17 Rannasha wrote:
I don't see why people make such a big fuss out of it. Leagues mean nothing, MMR decides who you play against and is therefore a measure of how well you're doing. As long as I get properly tuned opponents as my skill level goes up (or down), it doesn't matter what colour the shiny border around my portrait is.


People care about their league and not about MMR, because leagues are visible and MMR is not.


The question is why do people care about their league? Bragging rights? Does it enhance their feeling of self-worth to have a shinier icon?

Personally, I just want opponents that are comparable in skill to me, so I can have a fun and challenging game.
Such flammable little insects!
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 04 2013 12:44 GMT
#292
On June 04 2013 21:35 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:15 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.

Perspective from the top down is entirely different. Also the phrase, "...very foreigner of you." is very foreigner of you to use. If you'll allow me the use of your own implication.

Haha good one boss.
It is hard to find offense to that when I speak, read, and write Korean. Born in Korea and have Korean heritage.

It is hard to say that EU/NA has the correct attitude towards improvement when Koreans have won all 3 regions of WCS, but what do I know.
Keep crying about imbalance, aggressive strategies, and Blizzard not doing enough to help you. It'll get you very far.

I am not crying about any of that stuff, and am Masters myself. What are you talking about?
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
June 04 2013 12:44 GMT
#293
This is so lame.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
June 04 2013 12:45 GMT
#294
On June 04 2013 21:44 Black[CAT] wrote:
This is so lame.

What is?
lue
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden27 Posts
June 04 2013 13:06 GMT
#295
On June 04 2013 21:35 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:15 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.

Perspective from the top down is entirely different. Also the phrase, "...very foreigner of you." is very foreigner of you to use. If you'll allow me the use of your own implication.

Haha good one boss.
It is hard to find offense to that when I speak, read, and write Korean. Born in Korea and have Korean heritage.

It is hard to say that EU/NA has the correct attitude towards improvement when Koreans have won all 3 regions of WCS, but what do I know.
Keep crying about imbalance, aggressive strategies, and Blizzard not doing enough to help you. It'll get you very far.


That is just a silly claim you know, sure, WCS NA got completely stomped by the koreans but you can't in anyway discredit the fight the EU players put up, in the top 5 theres 3 EU and 2 koreans and it wasn't far off for a player like Lucifron to take down forGG who has a sick TvT record in HotS, so I think that are full of crap good sir, the europeans did just fine.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
June 04 2013 13:12 GMT
#296
Not a biggie, because this won't have any negative effects on matchmaking.
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
June 04 2013 13:18 GMT
#297
Basically, it just means you are allowed a higher rank than you deserve for some longer. Why the hassle? If i suck at playing and lose often, i know it, and it doesnt matter to me if my league goes from dia to plat for the times i suck. On the other hand, i can go on a sick winning streak, get promoted to masters and not drop out of it altough i am not really masters material. Kinda crappy league logic imho...
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
June 04 2013 13:33 GMT
#298
On June 04 2013 21:35 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 21:15 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 04 2013 21:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Maybe it is because I'm in Masters, but I couldn't give less of a shit.
Even when I dropped leagues because of inactivity, I came back after couple hours of playing.
I find it funny to see people worry about MMR and bitch about getting cheesed.
Worrying about ladder points is such a bad attitude towards improvement. It is very foreigner of you.

Perspective from the top down is entirely different. Also the phrase, "...very foreigner of you." is very foreigner of you to use. If you'll allow me the use of your own implication.

Haha good one boss.
It is hard to find offense to that when I speak, read, and write Korean. Born in Korea and have Korean heritage.

It is hard to say that EU/NA has the correct attitude towards improvement when Koreans have won all 3 regions of WCS, but what do I know.
Keep crying about imbalance, aggressive strategies, and Blizzard not doing enough to help you. It'll get you very far.


You're only Masters yourself or as the SC2 improve lot say, "top of the scrubs".

You've got no right to belittle anyone else for their attitude or lack thereof.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
June 04 2013 13:34 GMT
#299
people mad over superficial badges once more.
PGtour admin
Drumhead
Profile Joined November 2010
24 Posts
June 04 2013 13:41 GMT
#300
People should really read the ladder explanation thread before posting.....

MMR used to get into masters is determined by top 2% of MMR scores of active players. This means players with a small amount of bonus pool. This means 1) people not getting demoted has zero effect on people getting promoted into masters league, and 2) masters is already more then top 2% of players becuase there is a large amount of players in masters league (or any other league) that arnt considered active, and thus not used in the MMR range calculation....
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