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On June 04 2013 19:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:24 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.
If you play terran I can agree to the phenomenon. I am a top 25 masters (1k+ points), and literally 9 out of 10 terrans I meet, were low/mid diamond before HotS, and are top 25 masters now. They also agree they havent increased in skill, but widow mines and hellbats happened. This isn't a balance complaint thread, this is an accumulation of observations. Let's make a bet. If what you just claimed is true I get permabanned. If what you just claimed is data pulled straight out of your ass, not even close to the truth, you get permabanned.
Okay I took the 3 most recent terrans I fought on ladder, for you:
+ Show Spoiler +
Click the spoiler for the image  .
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"and are top 25 masters now"
proceeds to post 3 non top 25 masters Kappa
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On June 04 2013 19:42 kaluro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:27 Koshi wrote:On June 04 2013 19:24 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.
If you play terran I can agree to the phenomenon. I am a top 25 masters (1k+ points), and literally 9 out of 10 terrans I meet, were low/mid diamond before HotS, and are top 25 masters now. They also agree they havent increased in skill, but widow mines and hellbats happened. This isn't a balance complaint thread, this is an accumulation of observations. Let's make a bet. If what you just claimed is true I get permabanned. If what you just claimed is data pulled straight out of your ass, not even close to the truth, you get permabanned. Okay I took the 3 most recent terrans I fought on ladder, for you: + Show Spoiler +Click the spoiler for the image .
Hehe. When I am home I can check your profile and opponents. It seems it will be interesting.
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On June 04 2013 19:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:42 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 19:27 Koshi wrote:On June 04 2013 19:24 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.
If you play terran I can agree to the phenomenon. I am a top 25 masters (1k+ points), and literally 9 out of 10 terrans I meet, were low/mid diamond before HotS, and are top 25 masters now. They also agree they havent increased in skill, but widow mines and hellbats happened. This isn't a balance complaint thread, this is an accumulation of observations. Let's make a bet. If what you just claimed is true I get permabanned. If what you just claimed is data pulled straight out of your ass, not even close to the truth, you get permabanned. Okay I took the 3 most recent terrans I fought on ladder, for you: + Show Spoiler +Click the spoiler for the image . Hehe. When I am home I can check your profile and opponents. It seems it will be interesting.
Please do  I was just as surprised as you.
On June 04 2013 19:44 gaymon wrote:
"and are top 25 masters now"
proceeds to post 3 non top 25 masters Kappa
, maybe they dropped down :3 or hard league, or maybe my mmr rating sucks V_V
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Some things that blizzard have done with sc2 since Hots kind of reminds me how they slowly but surely made WoW more and more cassual by taking small steps to make the game easier. Some examples on what they have done in hots is, a button to select all your army, the workers automatically moves to mineral patches when the game starts, there are numbers over the CC/Hatch/Nexus and over the gas so you dont need to count have many workers you got on mineral/gas. They have also added this stupied animation stuffs and levels, and so on. Now they are making it impossible to get demoted during season. Why? I can't see any reason for it other then making the game more cassual. And yes it's small changes and some people might think it's silly to bring them up as examples for the game being more cassual. But i'm doing it because i have experince with Blizzard taking small steps to make a game more cassual and the end result being catastrophy.
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On June 04 2013 19:42 kaluro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:27 Koshi wrote:On June 04 2013 19:24 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.
If you play terran I can agree to the phenomenon. I am a top 25 masters (1k+ points), and literally 9 out of 10 terrans I meet, were low/mid diamond before HotS, and are top 25 masters now. They also agree they havent increased in skill, but widow mines and hellbats happened. This isn't a balance complaint thread, this is an accumulation of observations. Let's make a bet. If what you just claimed is true I get permabanned. If what you just claimed is data pulled straight out of your ass, not even close to the truth, you get permabanned. Okay I took the 3 most recent terrans I fought on ladder, for you: + Show Spoiler +Click the spoiler for the image .
So if i take a picture of two zergs that was plat in wol and dia/master in hots that means that zerg is easier/ better? No it does not. Master is easier now i would agree on that...
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the workers automatically moves to mineral patches when the game starts
I'm sorry but I complained about this point before when it first happens but I feel like I might need to again.
How is that making it more casual? It's still more effective to move your workers yourself and split well, but for some peoples connections, like mine, it means I don't start with a 2 second disadvantage from mining just because my game always stutters at the very beginning.
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You could also argue about how much harder terran was in wol that now when the game is more qually hard terrans are catchin up agian 
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On June 04 2013 19:56 TsGBruzze wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 19:42 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 19:27 Koshi wrote:On June 04 2013 19:24 kaluro wrote:On June 04 2013 07:05 Savage88 wrote:
Thats just a terrible idea. Since HotS it feels leagues are getting worse and worse. I was Plat all of WoL and I'm Masters now even I haven't improved at all. It feels like people in Masters are more Plat WoL Level now and if you cannot get demoted it makes it even worse.
If you play terran I can agree to the phenomenon. I am a top 25 masters (1k+ points), and literally 9 out of 10 terrans I meet, were low/mid diamond before HotS, and are top 25 masters now. They also agree they havent increased in skill, but widow mines and hellbats happened. This isn't a balance complaint thread, this is an accumulation of observations. Let's make a bet. If what you just claimed is true I get permabanned. If what you just claimed is data pulled straight out of your ass, not even close to the truth, you get permabanned. Okay I took the 3 most recent terrans I fought on ladder, for you: + Show Spoiler +Click the spoiler for the image . So if i take a picture of two zergs that was plat in wol and dia/master in hots that means that zerg is easier/ better? No it does not. Master is easier now i would agree on that...
Nah, I have a huge sample pool of at least 50+ terran opponents, But I'm sure you'd understand that I am not going to go through my _entire_ match history, to look up the terran games, just to screenshot their accounts? .. you can though, kaluro.650 EU. The zerg and protoss base don't show the same huge increase as the terran do. I am not saying terran OP, but I am saying that widow mines and hellbats, dragged the terran out of the super difficult hole they were in versus insta fungal in WoL, without mines/bats.
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This change doesn't sound too thrilling. All it does is make it easier for people who've somehow managed to make it to a higher league for a specific season stay in that league for the duration of the season without being demoted, and gives them unjustified "bragging rights". Oh well, at least this implementation won't affect the wider spectrum of things like MMR and such.
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On June 04 2013 19:59 Qikz wrote:I'm sorry but I complained about this point before when it first happens but I feel like I might need to again. How is that making it more casual? It's still more effective to move your workers yourself and split well, but for some peoples connections, like mine, it means I don't start with a 2 second disadvantage from mining just because my game always stutters at the very beginning.
No. Mineral splits were just too hard for casuals to do properly.
The stutter at the beginning could be easily dealt with by moving the countdown from before loading to after loading.
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On June 04 2013 19:59 Qikz wrote:
I'm sorry but I complained about this point before when it first happens but I feel like I might need to again.
How is that making it more casual? It's still more effective to move your workers yourself and split well, but for some peoples connections, like mine, it means I don't start with a 2 second disadvantage from mining just because my game always stutters at the very beginning.
Everything that takes away doing something manually and makes it automatically for you makes the game easier. To split the workers manually was a small thing that seperated the good from the bad. And yes it is a very small detail and i do not care about them taking it away if you look at it as a single event. I tried to make a point that if you take many small steps that one by one seems insignificant it may result in a big change in the end. And the thing about lag, yes maybe this change is because of that reason, i don't know but there is also other examples on them making the game more cassual. Also, if you get lag in the beginning you will have a disadvantage in the start anyway since you will make your first worker later.
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I think Blizzard is just making a hard push to keep their casual base active. Many of my friends will reach a league and stop queueing into ladder due to fear of being demoted back down to the lower league. The way I see it, without demotions, these type of players can play to their hearts content without the worry of being demoted. Win-Win..kind of...? lol
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Kaluro you seem a little biased against terran (as most zerg in hots are ). I don't think that you looked up your toss,zerg opponents as thoroughly as terran. A big fact is also that players getting better and improving as mmr analogy to each league stays the same, and play more as hots got out cause it is a new game. I got better myself (gold in wol , diamond in hots) but still i feel i belong in platinum. So I disagree with this change , also i wonder why blizzard removed the ability to see if our opponents are favoured or not and why we also play against unranked. With this change, blizzard could also remove unranked which i find unnecessary.
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On June 04 2013 20:07 NeThZOR wrote:
This change doesn't sound too thrilling. All it does is make it easier for people who've somehow managed to make it to a higher league for a specific season stay in that league for the duration of the season without being demoted, and gives them unjustified "bragging rights". Oh well, at least this implementation won't affect the wider spectrum of things like MMR and such.
Are you somehow overlooking the fact that before now the usual way to obtain those "bragging rights" was to get promoted up a league and then just stop playing entirely to not lose that rank?
All they've actually done is made it possible for people who get those worries to carry on playing in a season rather than just bailing immediately after being promoted. Or getting themselves to Masters and then never playing again outside of their placement matches to stay at Masters.
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On June 04 2013 06:58 DavoS wrote:
Eh, not too thrilled. When I first started playing, I was put in Gold. I was not gold league caliber. I lost every game that season and that was against low level silvers after the first few golds roflstomped me. I literally celebrated when I got demoted to silver. Would like to see a way to make placement matches more accurate before they worry about things like demotion Your MMR will still drop so really nothing has changed. You'd be a gold league player matching up against bronze or silver players.
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I don't like this. I'm playing pretty bad lately and I'm sure the next season they are going to put me in diamond with the placement match... but what is this going to mean? That I'm going to have to spend a whole season being diamond again? Practicing a bit I'll be again master with no problem, why do I have to wait several months to be promoted again?
No sense.
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Can see why they do this, beeing demoted can be verry demotivating.
Still not to happy with this, even though this is probably the reason i am still in masters (4x4..) despite playing verry badly lately and having a big loosing streak wich only stopped once i suddenly started to encounter much weaker (diamond) teams.
I would like to be in the devission apropiate for my skill, and if that varrys i dont mind it at all.
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On June 04 2013 20:55 Frionel wrote:
I don't like this. I'm playing pretty bad lately and I'm sure the next season they are going to put me in diamond with the placement match... but what is this going to mean? That I'm going to have to spend a whole season being diamond again? Practicing a bit I'll be again master with no problem, why do I have to wait several months to be promoted again?
No sense.
Read the title again, nothing about promotion, only demotion~
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I am just hoping I don't get dropped a league in placements, beyond that I think this is a solution in search of a problem.
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