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_BAR_
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada33 Posts
June 04 2013 06:49 GMT
#221
This is why I am still Platinum then. I should not be in Platinum. I have been losing a majority of my games for a while.
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XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 06:51:40
June 04 2013 06:50 GMT
#222
On June 04 2013 15:45 AwM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 15:33 ottoottoottootto wrote:
While this may be good for those with ladder anxiety, I am quite worried if leagues will represent skills now....Say you are gold, and you keep losing, you deserve to be bronze but you are still in Gold because of this new system.....isn\'t that a bit weird I guess? So your league will no longer reflect your skill?

It seems like it will represent your highest "skill" point so far, but your rank in your division will be a much greater show of your skill. Like, the low ranked-Loss > Win ratio people will be people that you know should be down a rank and the Tops (8/25) will show more.
Though, with how the matchmaking works, if you have the MMR of a low silver as a plat for instance, would you still be going up against plat or would you go against silver players like you should?


So basically what I said is correct then? That leagues will no longer reflect players skills? Because you cannot be demoted... -.- You can be in diamond, but if you keep losing and you deserve to be in Gold, you are still in Diamond, wouldn't that also make life difficult for the player though? Having to play knowing you will lose the majority of your games?
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
June 04 2013 06:56 GMT
#223
Horrible idea, but the most important thing is that they fix master league the way it is supposed to be (2%)
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TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
June 04 2013 06:56 GMT
#224
Just cuz your league is stuck in diamond doesnt mean your MMR is stuck in diamond. Your mmr will move as you win or lose games.

This naturally is a response to one of the reasons not to ladder "Im afraid I will get demoted"
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
June 04 2013 07:00 GMT
#225
If people dont get demoted from upper leagues how will then slots be available for those who should get promoted?
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GunSec
Profile Joined February 2010
1095 Posts
June 04 2013 07:05 GMT
#226
I feel the promotion is kind of weird, I was gold and I played a couple of games and won 1 of them and then suddenly I was promoted to platinum. I dont even play 1v1 that often lol
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
June 04 2013 07:13 GMT
#227
thanks for pointing this out..

with regards to hidden skill rating for rank and unrank games..i think it makes more sense to have skill rating based on each race in unrank mode. This way i can switch from playing my main race (zerg) and switch to other race without playing against those in the same rating as i would if i played as zerg.

I can then use the unrank mode to practice on weaker races.





Big Red Dog!
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
June 04 2013 07:17 GMT
#228
People are arguing against this with points born from misunderstanding how it works. No, nobody is going to get stuck in a lower league because people can't get demoted. It doesn't work like that, and I can't imagine Blizzard would do this if it did.

Secondly, people are unable to be demoted during a season. A season is not that long. People keep throwing out these wild examples, such as people who are gold but should be bronze. How was that person gold to begin with, if he was bad enough for bronze? How would anyone decrease that much in skill in between single seasons? Did he break his arm? It might have happened a few times, that players have lucked out and gotten into leagues that are too high for their proper skill level, but those are individual instances. They don't have anything at all to say for the general trend of skill levels and league placement.

For most people, this change means little at all. In fact, at worst it means nothing at all. You will still know if you're playing worse players. On the flip side, it might conceivably be beneficial for some people. And that's okay. Every change doesn't have to be a major change, some can actually just be there to make things a little bit easier for a subset of the player population.
Generalul
Profile Joined March 2011
Romania114 Posts
June 04 2013 07:19 GMT
#229
I think this is great news, as for example a few seasons ago when i started playing random i fell from masters to diamond and then promoted again like 5-6 times (no exageration) during a season. It just happened i got a weaker race/matchup a few times in a row, coupled with other stupid losses and pow! demotion came only to be back in masters 1-2 days after a good winning streak. That was ridiculous, and even if i got past that, i am sure others had the same problem until this.

If MMR adapts to your play, i don't see the problem with letting some people stay in a better league than they temporary should, considering how short the seasons are anyway.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 04 2013 07:22 GMT
#230
I think that the biggest thing that this change brings is that points within your league will start to matter more now. If you suck, you would be demoted. Now, if you suck, you're just going to have a really shitty rank in your league.

Though this change may seem big, I don't think it is. If you're good enough to get into a high league in the first place, there's little reason for you to drop down, unless you don't play regularly.
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dankh
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France15 Posts
June 04 2013 07:25 GMT
#231
I don't think this will affect most of the players who overcomed ladder anxiety. I'm gold now , If my level is silver I have no problem to be demoted. Better this will motivate me more than If I loose all the time and stay in gold.
WeddingEpisode
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 07:30:53
June 04 2013 07:30 GMT
#232
If one plays Unranked mostly then are only the few Ranked games used to calculate MMR for the next season?
Still diamond
Kyselin
Profile Joined December 2011
France35 Posts
June 04 2013 07:33 GMT
#233
Meh. That's not really relevant to most people.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
June 04 2013 07:55 GMT
#234
That kind of change isn't needed at all, we got ranked and unranked system, so people that scared to drop down in league still could play unranked.

Sometimes u have to make 1 step behind, to make 2 steps ahead.
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
June 04 2013 07:56 GMT
#235
The league should reflect your skill level, when it stops doing this it becomes a joke system so i personally don't like this at all. As a player i want to know my skill level so if i am Gold standard i play in Gold.
Raven_zero300
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
June 04 2013 08:00 GMT
#236
News Flash: B.net ladder stopped mattering when they removed losses. The inability to be demoted in a season just makes the ladder even more of a joke.

Blizzard continues to disappoint.
US Plat Random Player.
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
June 04 2013 08:02 GMT
#237
On June 04 2013 16:56 Topdoller wrote:
The league should reflect your skill level, when it stops doing this it becomes a joke system so i personally don't like this at all. As a player i want to know my skill level so if i am Gold standard i play in Gold.


Leave league and do the placements again. Solved.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 04 2013 08:10 GMT
#238
I like it. The next step should be to try and make divisions a bit more competitive on the lower levels. Even in Masters you still have a gazillion people with 0-5 games in each division. Kinda silly.
I would prefer division with 1000 people or something. I don't know.

But I like this. Fear of demotion should be removed for the people that care about it.
I had a good night of sleep.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 08:12:21
June 04 2013 08:12 GMT
#239
On June 04 2013 17:00 Raven_zero300 wrote:
News Flash: B.net ladder stopped mattering when they removed losses. The inability to be demoted in a season just makes the ladder even more of a joke.

Blizzard continues to disappoint.

Newsflash: Losses are back since HotS if you can calculate games played - wins. You even have detailed statistics ingame on winrates per map and matchup since months.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
June 04 2013 08:31 GMT
#240
On June 04 2013 17:10 Koshi wrote:
I like it. The next step should be to try and make divisions a bit more competitive on the lower levels. Even in Masters you still have a gazillion people with 0-5 games in each division. Kinda silly.
I would prefer division with 1000 people or something. I don't know.

But I like this. Fear of demotion should be removed for the people that care about it.


How about removing the ability to lose games. I fear I might lose a game. They should make it to where everyone gets points, win or lose. Sarcasm.
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