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On May 31 2013 05:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:26 TheFish7 wrote:
Interesting stats. This is only for PvZ? You really should click on links... I think the most interesting thing here is how close the Bronze league timings are to Grandmaster. It's obviously not close, but it definitely shows how far the average skill level has increased since the early WoL days.
These are only the statistics for ~100,000 games though. You'll notice that there are thousands less games in Bronze compared even to Silver league. So it should be taken into consideration that there are a lot less macro focused players in bronze, which isn't surprising. I'm not sure how much inference can be made about the average Bronze leaguer's macro as compared to GM. These may very well be the stats of the "Top Bronze League" as opposed to the average.
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Brb, bookmarking this site. Great job!!
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It's interesting that mirror-matches delay expansion timings the most.
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On May 31 2013 08:49 GhostFiber wrote:
It's interesting that mirror-matches delay expansion timings the most.
Totally interesting! I would love to understand why that is.
Also, maybe I should make a version of the page where you pick a league and it shows stats for all matchups at once, making your kind of insight a little easier to achieve.
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On May 31 2013 08:49 GhostFiber wrote:
It's interesting that mirror-matches delay expansion timings the most.
Very interesting find!
Though I can explain it for every matchup, I do not see a deep reason that makes it obvious for all of them.
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this is fucking amazing. nothing new ofcourse but still the gap between masters and GM feels very real.
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Really cool data. Not really surprised by anything I might read on this. Accurately summarizes how aggressive/passive the different matchups are.
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Interesting to see that Bronze is the 2nd fastest after GM to fully saturate their third - most likely because they expand so late that their main is mined out or as good as at 20 minutes, and they can send half their probes down, while the other leagues saturate 3 bases for longer.
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This is really cool! Just a couple questions. I'm assuming that for an XvY matchup, the timings are listed for X. Is this correct?
I would also be interested in seeing the standard deviations (maybe just as a plus/minus in the table). Do you plan to add those?
Great Work!
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On May 31 2013 10:02 KillingVector wrote:
This is really cool! Just a couple questions. I'm assuming that for an XvY matchup, the timings are listed for X. Is this correct?
Yes, I'm changing the wording now to make that more clear.
I would also be interested in seeing the standard deviations (maybe just as a plus/minus in the table). Do you plan to add those?
Hopefully I can find a good way to share the actual histograms. The last time I looked at the distributional data it was definitely not normal (if you know what i mean  ).
Great Work!
Thank you!
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On May 31 2013 05:30 arkedos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:26 TheFish7 wrote:
Interesting stats. This is only for PvZ? you have to visit the site. the picture in the OP ist just an example.
Yea I won't click links while at work, no matter how legit they appear >.<
In PvP bronze players get their natural up faster than GM players. Thats pretty nuts actually.
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On May 31 2013 08:24 Arolis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 05:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 31 2013 05:26 TheFish7 wrote:
Interesting stats. This is only for PvZ? You really should click on links... I think the most interesting thing here is how close the Bronze league timings are to Grandmaster. It's obviously not close, but it definitely shows how far the average skill level has increased since the early WoL days. These are only the statistics for ~100,000 games though. You'll notice that there are thousands less games in Bronze compared even to Silver league. So it should be taken into consideration that there are a lot less macro focused players in bronze, which isn't surprising. I'm not sure how much inference can be made about the average Bronze leaguer's macro as compared to GM. These may very well be the stats of the "Top Bronze League" as opposed to the average.
The Top of Bronze League is still in the bottom 8%. That's a very large gap from the top 1%.
And just look at ZvP base timings. Yes, there's a notable speed difference across leagues, but the numbers show that everyone across every single league knows that you need to take a fast third base as Zerg...which conversely means most Protoss do a FFE (or Nexus first).
That's a drastic change from early WoL days, where Bronze-Gold league had absolutely nonsensical builds.
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On May 31 2013 08:49 GhostFiber wrote:
It's interesting that mirror-matches delay expansion timings the most.
OK! To make it easier for us all to see this and other stats compared across matchups, here's a view of all matchups on a single page: http://ggtracker.com/economy_stats2
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Might just be from low sample of games, but I found ZvZ third base completed and full saturation of third base to be very interesting when comparing masters to GM players.
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On May 31 2013 06:37 Oboeman wrote:
Check it out, in PvP, bronze players expand faster than GM players, on average.
ignorence is a bliss
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Isn't this old information?
The faster you expo, the more peons you make, the sooner you can get a 3rd, and the sooner you can max out.
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Interesting stats,
Would be cool to fix the time between income levels for terran since Mules fuck them up (since you can achieve the income before having the required number of bases). Dunno how you could fix it though, higher threshold maybe.
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On May 31 2013 18:23 guN-viCe wrote:
Isn't this old information?
The faster you expo, the more peons you make, the sooner you can get a 3rd, and the sooner you can max out.
Dat math-genuis!!
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On May 31 2013 10:29 Pachacutec wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 06:37 Oboeman wrote:
Check it out, in PvP, bronze players expand faster than GM players, on average. ignorence is a bliss
Not quite sure what you're saying there.
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On May 31 2013 19:15 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 10:29 Pachacutec wrote:On May 31 2013 06:37 Oboeman wrote:
Check it out, in PvP, bronze players expand faster than GM players, on average. ignorence is a bliss Not quite sure what you're saying there.
He means bronze players expand when they feel like it.
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