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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 29 2013 05:03 vhapter wrote: Good, now please make muta speed/regen an actual upgrade. Nah, that's fine. Now my warp prism can get their and snipe the spire with zealots before it completes. #outsidethebox | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On May 29 2013 05:00 Pazuzu wrote: Sorry but this is laughable. An upgrade needed for mutas? that's not a buff to protoss that will just mess up zerg across the board...not really relavent here unless you are ranked higher than me as random, which you're not (because i can tell instantly - ZERG), i dont want to hear how buying a cheap upgrade would make mutas bad.. I play random and am top 8 or top 25 masters depending on how much time i have to play per week last time i checked, mutalisk were dominating ZvZ and 8-10 gas geyser muta switches are killing top level protoss even when they seem to be prepared for them. I'm not trying to call you out, but an upgrade for mutas,e ven if it's short and very cheap might be exactly what needs to happen.. what's laughable, is giving protoss a speed drop upgrade to help them drop zealots into super cheap spore/spine forests in PvZ late game easier and making me lose TvP's constantly because warp prisms are extremely strong in early pvt especially if you consider all of the blind "better have it's" in this matchup like missile turrets and bunkers in numbers of 2-3 if you're unsure what P is doing.. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 29 2013 05:04 p14c wrote: R U kidding me? Imagine a medivac with warping ability. It's totally game breaking. He should put the Shuttle back in the game. Warping an entire army it's not harassing... You can't warp in an entire army. You can't fit 130 supply in the warp in area. Also, that never happens unless the protoss gets way to far ahead and players don't trade armies. | ||
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Fluid
Canada136 Posts
-Warp Prism is now built from Stargate -Gravitic drive upgrade moved to Cybernetics Core - Reavers can now be built from Robotics Facility (Requires Robotics Bay) (okay we all know that last item will never be implemented) | ||
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JacobNX01a
United States65 Posts
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On May 29 2013 05:09 Fluid wrote: Here's a better idea: -Warp Prism is now built from Stargate -Gravitic drive upgrade moved to Cybernetics Core - Reavers can now be built from Robotics Facility (Requires Robotics Bay) (okay we all know that last item will never be implemented) nah keep it on robo, i would like robo to contain one harassment option. | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
Blizzard needs to find the middle ground. A change that won't affect protoss all-ins and maxed out army. | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
the way they are doing it now i expect they just make allins stronger without affecting the game much past midgame other possibilities id fancy are -decrease cost to 100min/1supply or -increase cargo slots | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On May 29 2013 05:13 CamoPillbox wrote: damn even faster dt drop expand when i dying simply to it as terran.... *scan* *pew pew pew* *scoop* F10+N | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 29 2013 05:10 JacobNX01a wrote: I like the idea of giving Protoss more harass options, but I feel like zerg is being neglected in the dropping department. Zerg has insanely cheap, easily massable units which can drop, not sure what you're saying there. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:44 Prog455 wrote: Do you really think that this is actually going to change any part of Protoss play that is not an all-in? At the moment this buff cost 100/100 and can be upgraded from a building you need no matter what if you want Colossus. This is a stupid buff, because Robotic Facility is already occupied with building Observers, Immortals and Colossi. If this upgrade did actually make a difference in lategame it would have been used already. You know, if you think hard enough about any change, you'll be able to come up with how it can make an all-in better. Other races just do this to the extreme when thinking about toss. "Making a protoss unit faster that tosses never get more than 2 of in any given game will make all of their all-ins way too good!" "Oh man! That unit that does damage will just add to the death ball! Protoss can't have that!" "You know that DT warp prism build?! That will hit so much earlier because somehow a faster warp prism means the dark shrine finishes faster too!" Instead of trying so hard to make up doomsday scenarios, just play the custom map and see if the change makes the game more dynamic. If it does, then mission accomplished. It's not like balance can't continue to be adjusted from there. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On May 29 2013 04:58 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: everything should just get a speed boost. Marines should have their stim movement speed by default, ling speed should be default and charge lot speed should be default. Find a suitable tech and economy level that people enjoy and anchor the game around that. It's not so preposterous, by the way, creating an enjoyable competitive game has always involved zooming in on a tiny subset of acceptable play. Yes, it will reduce strategy choice, but people will be happy watching the same thing over and over again as long as it's exciting and rewards skill (see tennis). (slippery slope arguments, I know...) | ||
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SolarJto
United States260 Posts
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.Rogueonerfed.
Hungary63 Posts
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Glorfindel21
France51 Posts
What kind of all in would you expect from a protoss with a prism ? -dt-fast prism ? Not as fast as a sneaky pylon -7 gate prism ? Still has to wait for the whole army -any kind of all in with a prism ONLY from the robo is extremely expensive (since it's like having a moving pylon for triple the price at least) -will not grant any more critical micro ability than before (still have to be parting to micro it perfectly) So what will it be ? Don't forget that is only a pylon. Once you scout the tech of the toss player (in this case robo) you just prepare your mapcontrol in your base (easy since no anti-overlord) or build supplies in terran (in your base). So in fact it will probably encourage some weird micro abuses involving immortals probably, but it will for sure motivate tosses to harass in late game. You say toss already has strong harass options (i'm zerg) : -dt is still coinflip and you never see any dt rush in pro matches except in some rare pvps (in which it's an all-in) -phoenix is good -prism is not really used at all, and when it is, it's to be destroyed most of the times after one round of warp. You can't afford a robo producing only WP in toss or you die (not even counting the chronos) -rest is MSC harass that is indeed very efficient -oracle (less and less used) So you have -phoenixes (air) -oracle (air) -Wp (drop) -MSC (ground) Truth is that Kim tries to negate the infamous "deathball" effect as a global strategy used by toss. As he says, he wants to see smaller fights, involving multitask, micro. Well : he wants more skill than a A vs A situation where a whole game is decided on a player compo more than on a players micro (as toss, all you have to do with classical deathball is to storm in short). Good idea. | ||
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