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On May 24 2013 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 21:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I don't think that this scene is wealthy enough for real agency action. Teams do all that stuff and players who make the big bucks are just way too few (and by the looks of it now extinct outside of Korea).
Take this guy's word for it, everybody. He gets good grades in school.
They were not too shabby. So you think that agencies could take over the role of teams and become a viable business in the near future? I don't. A team is more or less an agency that offers management and pays salary and travel. Add to that everything that a team stands for (prestige, belonging and so on). No, I really don't think that it will find a place in the players market. The amount of big names that could and would fly solo is not sufficient.
It would be cool to be proven wrong though. ESPORTS and all that.
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On May 24 2013 19:43 Wegandi wrote:
I am surprised at the number of people supportive of a guy who called you all shit heads basically. I wonder if the majority of you would have the same reaction if it was face to face instead of on the internet. He's the Ty Cobb of e-sports except he has no talent.
I'm surprised that there are still people like you who are saying "well fuck idra how can you like him after what he said about the community".
Can you PLEASE inform yourself? Idra has specifically stated that the people who he deemed "fucks" were the people in esports who fed off the drama. They're not actual fans, they're not really there to watch good starcraft or support a player they like, they're there to blow small things out of proportion, start witch hunts, be obnoxious assholes on forums (why do you think pros don't often post at TL?) and in stream chats. Those are the ones who Idra was calling out. Not the actual fans. He cleared that up during the real talk with JP.
And those people really are obnoxious, especially people who email sponsors without directly contacting the team just because a pro player said something a little mean. I'm thinking about what happened to Destiny.
So just go inform yourself about something before whining about it, if you still dislike idra than you don't really need to post it here do you?
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On May 24 2013 23:48 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:On May 24 2013 21:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I don't think that this scene is wealthy enough for real agency action. Teams do all that stuff and players who make the big bucks are just way too few (and by the looks of it now extinct outside of Korea).
Take this guy's word for it, everybody. He gets good grades in school. They were not too shabby. So you think that agencies could take over the role of teams and become a viable business in the near future? I don't. A team is more or less an agency that offers management and pays salary and travel. Add to that everything that a team stands for (prestige, belonging and so on). No, I really don't think that it will find a place in the players market. The amount of big names that could and would fly solo is not sufficient. It would be cool to be proven wrong though. ESPORTS and all that.
You should write a letter to eMG advising them to get out of the business. You could print out and attach your posts from this thread.
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On May 25 2013 00:08 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 23:48 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 24 2013 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:On May 24 2013 21:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I don't think that this scene is wealthy enough for real agency action. Teams do all that stuff and players who make the big bucks are just way too few (and by the looks of it now extinct outside of Korea).
Take this guy's word for it, everybody. He gets good grades in school. They were not too shabby. So you think that agencies could take over the role of teams and become a viable business in the near future? I don't. A team is more or less an agency that offers management and pays salary and travel. Add to that everything that a team stands for (prestige, belonging and so on). No, I really don't think that it will find a place in the players market. The amount of big names that could and would fly solo is not sufficient. It would be cool to be proven wrong though. ESPORTS and all that. You should write a letter to eMG advising them to get out of the business. You could print out and attach your posts from this thread.
Your posts are becoming more and more trollish as this thread goes. If you don't have anything else to add or to argue back, don't bother.
What's your arguments aside from "They do it and they use pretentious buzzspeech so they must be right!"?
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Good he found a way to stay in the commuinity.
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On May 25 2013 00:31 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 00:08 Doodsmack wrote:On May 24 2013 23:48 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 24 2013 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:On May 24 2013 21:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I don't think that this scene is wealthy enough for real agency action. Teams do all that stuff and players who make the big bucks are just way too few (and by the looks of it now extinct outside of Korea).
Take this guy's word for it, everybody. He gets good grades in school. They were not too shabby. So you think that agencies could take over the role of teams and become a viable business in the near future? I don't. A team is more or less an agency that offers management and pays salary and travel. Add to that everything that a team stands for (prestige, belonging and so on). No, I really don't think that it will find a place in the players market. The amount of big names that could and would fly solo is not sufficient. It would be cool to be proven wrong though. ESPORTS and all that. You should write a letter to eMG advising them to get out of the business. You could print out and attach your posts from this thread. Your posts are becoming more and more trollish as this thread goes. If you don't have anything else to add or to argue back, don't bother. What's your arguments aside from "They do it and they use pretentious buzzspeech so they must be right!"?
He is pointing out(as I did as well) how silly it is to make speculative comments about viability of eMG as a business without providing any evidence or substantive evidence is kind of dumb. The fact the eMG works with both Artosis and Tasteless, the two highest paid and most professional casters in the industry, should be enough to show that eMG knows what they are doing.
It grows tiresome when people who provide no professional credentials make speculative comments on something not being viable and then get upset when people point out the fact that they might not know what they are talking about. People are entitled to opinions, but if you say them out loud, you better be prepared to defend them with more than "Well, why is eMG viable, huh?" You can't back up an opinion by demanding other people prove it to be incorrect.
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You can't back up an opinion by demanding other people prove it to be incorrect.
Please, this shit is so old. I don't demand anything from you, as you obviously don't have anything to say. And I can't "prove" anything per say, because we precisely don't know anything about eMG, which is what I was criticizing in the first place.
The fact the eMG works with both Artosis and Tasteless, the two highest paid and most professional casters in the industry, should be enough to show that eMG knows what they are doing.
Well, that's exactly what they would have us think at least. That's why they work with Artosis and Tasteless to begin with, it's good marketing for them. Ironically enough.
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On May 25 2013 01:07 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +You can't back up an opinion by demanding other people prove it to be incorrect. Please, this shit is so old. I don't demand anything from you, as you obviously don't have anything to say. And I can't "prove" anything per say, because we precisely don't know anything about eMG, which is what I was criticizing in the first place. Show nested quote +The fact the eMG works with both Artosis and Tasteless, the two highest paid and most professional casters in the industry, should be enough to show that eMG knows what they are doing. Well, that's exactly what they would have us think at least. That's why they work with Artosis and Tasteless to begin with, it's good marketing for them. Ironically enough.
You see that is the sort of speculative nonsense that I am talking about. Using phrases like “that is what they want us to believe” just invites people to accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat. You can’t say something like that with no facts or evidence to back that up, because people will call it what it is, speculation.
Tasteless and Artosis are shrewd business people and two of the most professional people in the field. If they have decided to hire eMG to be their agents, then the facts speak for themselves. Further more, Sir Scoots, who is in the field of marketing dealing with agents, talked about eMG on Live on Three nearly two years ago when they were formed. He said that they were likely needed for people like Artosis and Tasteless, but would only be viable for the larges folks in Esports who were not connected to a team. He also pointed out that everyone involved was already in the marketing/agency field and was likely doing this as a part time job.
That is why there are so many people calling bull shit on these statements that eGM isn’t viable. This was already discussed around 2 years ago and those claims were made and proven to be speculation then. Don't admit to not knowing anything about a business and then try to use as proof why the business isn't viable.
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Glad to see IdrA staying here in the community, who knows, he might even get back into pro-gaming again sometime soon
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On May 25 2013 01:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:07 ZenithM wrote:You can't back up an opinion by demanding other people prove it to be incorrect. Please, this shit is so old. I don't demand anything from you, as you obviously don't have anything to say. And I can't "prove" anything per say, because we precisely don't know anything about eMG, which is what I was criticizing in the first place. The fact the eMG works with both Artosis and Tasteless, the two highest paid and most professional casters in the industry, should be enough to show that eMG knows what they are doing. Well, that's exactly what they would have us think at least. That's why they work with Artosis and Tasteless to begin with, it's good marketing for them. Ironically enough. You see that is the sort of speculative nonsense that I am talking about. Using phrases like “that is what they want us to believe” just invites people to accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat. You can’t say something like that with no facts or evidence to back that up, because people will call it what it is, speculation. Tasteless and Artosis are shrewd business people and two of the most professional people in the field. If they have decided to hire eMG to be their agents, then the facts speak for themselves. Further more, Sir Scoots, who is in the field of marketing dealing with agents, talked about eMG on Live on Three nearly two years ago when they were formed. He said that they were likely needed for people like Artosis and Tasteless, but would only be viable for the larges folks in Esports who were not connected to a team. He also pointed out that everyone involved was already in the marketing/agency field and was likely doing this as a part time job. That is why there are so many people calling bull shit on these statements that eGM isn’t viable. This was already discussed around 2 years ago and those claims were made and proven to be speculation then. Don't admit to not knowing anything about a business and then try to use as proof why the business isn't viable.
The thing though, is that I've never claimed that their shit isn't viable :D
Here is what I said: "but I don't know if eMG's existence is really warranted yet." You don't see the nuance? This was indeed speculation, and your last post was what I was actually expecting from the beginning, someone who knows something that I don't, coming to help me understand this eMG thing. I didn't know about all of what you said, nor could I have, as I don't watch every oral intervention of Sir Scoots ever, my bad.
So, with that being said, thank you.
You see that is the sort of speculative nonsense that I am talking about. Using phrases like “that is what they want us to believe” just invites people to accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat.
You can call it speculative nonsense, I call that not being naive. Obviously having Tastosis' names on their website is very beneficial for them. That's actually the only thing we can say about eMG. They're known because they have big clients, not because of the awesome things they've done for them. They may very well do these things, but this is, as some say, only "speculation" to me, huehuehue.
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On May 25 2013 02:00 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:39 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2013 01:07 ZenithM wrote:You can't back up an opinion by demanding other people prove it to be incorrect. Please, this shit is so old. I don't demand anything from you, as you obviously don't have anything to say. And I can't "prove" anything per say, because we precisely don't know anything about eMG, which is what I was criticizing in the first place. The fact the eMG works with both Artosis and Tasteless, the two highest paid and most professional casters in the industry, should be enough to show that eMG knows what they are doing. Well, that's exactly what they would have us think at least. That's why they work with Artosis and Tasteless to begin with, it's good marketing for them. Ironically enough. You see that is the sort of speculative nonsense that I am talking about. Using phrases like “that is what they want us to believe” just invites people to accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat. You can’t say something like that with no facts or evidence to back that up, because people will call it what it is, speculation. Tasteless and Artosis are shrewd business people and two of the most professional people in the field. If they have decided to hire eMG to be their agents, then the facts speak for themselves. Further more, Sir Scoots, who is in the field of marketing dealing with agents, talked about eMG on Live on Three nearly two years ago when they were formed. He said that they were likely needed for people like Artosis and Tasteless, but would only be viable for the larges folks in Esports who were not connected to a team. He also pointed out that everyone involved was already in the marketing/agency field and was likely doing this as a part time job. That is why there are so many people calling bull shit on these statements that eGM isn’t viable. This was already discussed around 2 years ago and those claims were made and proven to be speculation then. Don't admit to not knowing anything about a business and then try to use as proof why the business isn't viable. The thing though, is that I've never claimed that their shit isn't viable :D Here is what I said: "but I don't know if eMG's existence is really warranted yet." You don't see the nuance? This was indeed speculation, and your last post was what I was actually expecting from the beginning, someone who knows something that I don't, coming to help me understand this eMG thing. I didn't know about all of what you said, nor could I have, as I don't watch every oral intervention of Sir Scoots ever, my bad. So, with that being said, thank you. Show nested quote +You see that is the sort of speculative nonsense that I am talking about. Using phrases like “that is what they want us to believe” just invites people to accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat. You can call it speculative nonsense, I call that not being naive. Obviously having Tastosis' names on their website is very beneficial for them. That's actually the only thing we can say about eMG. They're known because they have big clients, not because of the awesome things they've done for them. They may very well do these things, but this is, as some say, only "speculation" to me, huehuehue.
I'm curious why you seem to be so worried about if they are qualified or not. Do you not think that Artossis, tasteless, and even idra have a better understanding of there own situation and eMG's plan of attack then you do? Why do you need confirmation on something that you are not involved in what's so ever, and doesn't impact or effect you in the slightest. You sound like a conspiracy theorist who is worried about Idra's safe keeping. I personally don't care what they do, it's Idra's choice to decide to attach himself to them, does this benefit eMG having a high profile person on there 'roster' yes ofcoarse it does, but do you think Idra would do this with no benifit to himself? The way you are talking makes it seem like Idra, and tasteosis get nothing out of being attached to eMG.
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On May 25 2013 00:31 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 00:08 Doodsmack wrote:On May 24 2013 23:48 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 24 2013 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:On May 24 2013 21:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I don't think that this scene is wealthy enough for real agency action. Teams do all that stuff and players who make the big bucks are just way too few (and by the looks of it now extinct outside of Korea).
Take this guy's word for it, everybody. He gets good grades in school. They were not too shabby. So you think that agencies could take over the role of teams and become a viable business in the near future? I don't. A team is more or less an agency that offers management and pays salary and travel. Add to that everything that a team stands for (prestige, belonging and so on). No, I really don't think that it will find a place in the players market. The amount of big names that could and would fly solo is not sufficient. It would be cool to be proven wrong though. ESPORTS and all that. You should write a letter to eMG advising them to get out of the business. You could print out and attach your posts from this thread. Your posts are becoming more and more trollish as this thread goes. If you don't have anything else to add or to argue back, don't bother. What's your arguments aside from "They do it and they use pretentious buzzspeech so they must be right!"?
I was making a point through sarcasm there. You either a) didn't discern that or b) just chose to not address it and call me a troll for using sarcasm. I'm leaning towards a, considering you then stated I wasn't making a point and asked me what my point was.
And now I see you're back pedaling again from your argument that eMG's existence probably isn't warranted yet. "Trust me guys I was only wondering aloud in a completely neutral manner, despite stating evidence their existence is not warranted and then saying "I don't know if their existence is warranted yet".
Internet argument grade: D-
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I don't care, actually. I was just curious about how that works, and nobody seemed to have any more clue than me, yet finding it obviously awesome. I like knowing why things are awesome.
Edit: Oh Doodsmack...
Sarcasm didn't make your post any less pointless, unfortunately.
I guess that was the difference between you and me in this thread, I just tried to know what that eMG thing was, you tried to put words in my mouth and win an Internet argument. In the end it all worked out, I got my info, somewhat, and you won your Internet argument (I only got a D- ;_;)
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On May 24 2013 19:47 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 19:17 Targe wrote:
Gz to him? Don't really fully understand what this means for him other than he gets paid. Well, that's precisely it. He doesn't get paid, he pays them :D What they actually do is beyond our understanding according to this thread. A hint: they're leveraging their premiere experience to monetize long-term synergy in an ever paradigm shifting eSports ecosystem.
Smaller words pl0x
+ Show Spoiler +lol, so he's paying them? wtf. eSports, what are you doing?
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great entertainer they picked up ! :D my favourite from his stream is still: "Im 100% safe, theres literally no way i can loose to this noob at all now", massive all in rolls out his way, drones get made anyway, cause, you know, "im 100% safe". His stream honestly gets exponentially better the more he looses.
I rarely ever laughed so hard watching something live, then when he did this 3 or 4 games in a row with literally the same "100% safe" line.
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On May 25 2013 02:14 ZenithM wrote:
I don't care, actually. I was just curious about how that works, and nobody seemed to have any more clue than me, yet finding it obviously awesome. I like knowing why things are awesome.
Edit: Oh Doodsmack...
Sarcasm didn't make your post any less pointless, unfortunately.
I guess that was the difference between you and me in this thread, I just tried to know what that eMG thing was, you tried to put words in my mouth and win an Internet argument. In the end it all worked out, I got my info, somewhat, and you won your Internet argument (I only got a D- ;_;)
What's funny is that you back pedaled from your Internet argument in order to save face. And now you're just kind of obfuscating to try to gloss over that.
"I get that it's that way with movie stars, but I don't know if eMG's existence is warranted yet".
To claim you weren't making an argument is just dishonest.
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So I'm still sort of in the dark as to what purpose emg serves. The players actually pay emg for what sort of service?
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On May 25 2013 03:23 Incognoto wrote:
So I'm still sort of in the dark as to what purpose emg serves. The players actually pay emg for what sort of service?
They act as an agency in finding work/deals for their clients. It's the same thing as actors/actresses in hollywood having an agent.
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