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Well for sure that was not the reaction that I expected... :/
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On May 10 2013 15:22 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:14 Talin wrote:On May 10 2013 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. not to take anything off of idra's work ethic cuz he seemed to do decent but I don't think he was THE hardest working foreign player... just had to look at Kas for that, always had easily over 2000 games every ladder season I was talking 2009-2010 here, not sure Kas was even active back then (could be wrong though). During his time on CJ and immediately before EG I'm pretty sure Idra was the hardest working western player. That is the player they signed at the time. the beta came out in february 2010, not sure why you bring up 2009 o_o
We were talking about character traits, not a specific game.
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On May 10 2013 15:27 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:22 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:14 Talin wrote:On May 10 2013 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. not to take anything off of idra's work ethic cuz he seemed to do decent but I don't think he was THE hardest working foreign player... just had to look at Kas for that, always had easily over 2000 games every ladder season I was talking 2009-2010 here, not sure Kas was even active back then (could be wrong though). During his time on CJ and immediately before EG I'm pretty sure Idra was the hardest working western player. That is the player they signed at the time. the beta came out in february 2010, not sure why you bring up 2009 o_o Before SC2, Idra moved over to Korea to live in the CJ Entus pro gamer house. Despite not getting much results, he stuck with it for quite awhile and was the only foreigner to do something like that (at least at that time, I know some others did before). That really took a lot of guts and dedication to the game.
there were very few who were willing to do that, the risk/reward was just way too bad to even consider imo... I'm sure he doesn't regret doing that but I think he would have achieved just as much in SC2 even if he didn't go to korea prior to that
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Maybe this will be a blessing for Greg, this consequence will force him to look into what has been causing his rage. Maybe he will pursue other interests or maybe he come back a even better player. Naniwa seemed to benefit from his similar situation last year, perhaps Greg will do the same.
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On May 10 2013 15:22 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 15:14 Talin wrote:On May 10 2013 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. not to take anything off of idra's work ethic cuz he seemed to do decent but I don't think he was THE hardest working foreign player... just had to look at Kas for that, always had easily over 2000 games every ladder season I was talking 2009-2010 here, not sure Kas was even active back then (could be wrong though). During his time on CJ and immediately before EG I'm pretty sure Idra was the hardest working western player. That is the player they signed at the time. IdrA was hard working, no one that followed broodwar is going to deny it, but I still argue 'hardest' working person. Mondragon when in preperation for tournaments was very hard working, but he was very busy so you still got a point. White-rA was playing his ass off when he got A+ on iccup, Draco and SunCow were playing sick amounts of games. There were plenty of hard-working players that are gifted. I hold no grudge against IdrA and I certainly don't want to judge if that was a good or bad business decision but he should have known that constantly insulting the community which is reason why he earns money to begin with cannot be a good idea. Okay, I'll add "one of" then, general point still remains. Though I'm pretty sure the in-house training regime of a genuine pro team is more rigorous and consistent over a longer period of time than the kind of practice foreigners had during late BW/SC2 Beta.
Ret, Draco, Suncow all were in Korea in proteams, not as long and I agree to your point. IdrA was a hard working person, but it seems that person is long gone. His mind seems to control him as I cannot believe someone would choose to behave so dumb and unprofessional. I am not speaking about leaving without gg, ragequitting or flaming on ladder. I am talking about insulting the whole community and his viewers constantly. No one in his right mind would argue that this was bad for his business and in the end will probably not end well.
There was a period of time in which IdrA seemed to at least have changed a little. During that time he was a better player or maybe he was more calm because he was a better player, I cannot tell, but as it stands, the ban is deserved and justified, no matter if good or bad business call.
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On May 10 2013 15:19 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:17 sekritzzz wrote:On May 10 2013 15:11 Lokerek wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. Here come the fanboys... I hate Naniwa but to say Idra is hardest working player is a joke and insult to what Naniwa and other foreigner show. I'd say EG was way too lenient and should have done it earlier. Forgot about talented part. His success was mostly based on mechanics since the 14p 15h build he did was so predictable it was called Idra Build for a reason. Here come the goldfish......Some people have memories longer than 1 year you know. Idra used to be one of the most hardworking people. I actually dislike idra's personality and think he balances whines too much for his race but what he stated there is absolutely true and ruined a large part of the western SC2 scene for me. People aren't paid to be good, they are paid to be entertainers because that's exactly what most of the community seeks. As sad as that is, that is how the Sc2 community is. Lmao since when do we know that goldfish have memories less than 1 year? Do you study or have extensive knowledge of goldfishes? LOLing hard at your choice of an introduction. And why the hell would you assume that anyone would understand that analogy? lol
The memory of a goldfish is about 60 days. There have been studies on it, (not sure who gets a grant for that but w/e). As far as his analogy goes it's fairly poor though.
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On May 10 2013 15:29 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:22 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:14 Talin wrote:On May 10 2013 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. not to take anything off of idra's work ethic cuz he seemed to do decent but I don't think he was THE hardest working foreign player... just had to look at Kas for that, always had easily over 2000 games every ladder season I was talking 2009-2010 here, not sure Kas was even active back then (could be wrong though). During his time on CJ and immediately before EG I'm pretty sure Idra was the hardest working western player. That is the player they signed at the time. the beta came out in february 2010, not sure why you bring up 2009 o_o We were talking about character traits, not a specific game.
well then so was I when i brought up Kas
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On May 10 2013 15:31 Pyre wrote:
Maybe this will be a blessing for Greg, this consequence will force him to look into what has been causing his rage. Maybe he will pursue other interests or maybe he come back a even better player. Naniwa seemed to benefit from his similar situation last year, perhaps Greg will do the same.
Naniwa was never at same level of rage and BM as Idra is.
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IdrA got me into proffesional starcraft 2, and the reason I called EG one of my favorite teams. I've grown to love the other members of EG as well, but definitely lost a big piece of it for me.
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On May 10 2013 15:27 Schelim wrote:
this is really weird to me. there's no way i can believe they released him over that one fairly harmless, typical Idra statement that you can't even be sure he was serious about. i can think of plenty of reasons why did want to fire him though. so yeah, they probably just used something they felt was a good excuse to do it.
this is sad for me. it's weird cause they have so many well-known players, but my perception of EG is instantly very different without his presence. i can't help but think that he can find a decent team at the snap of a finger if he wants to. but part of me feels like this might actually be an opportunity for him more than anyone. go away from sc2 for a while, get a real job and try and get a new perspective on life. maybe even get a therapist.
Oh I feel exactly like that. Such a weird decision. But we don't know what happened behind the scene... maybe it is because of the muslim-story, not geting results or fullfilling other duties we do not know about. Or maybe it is just the fallowup of a redit shitstorm.
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On May 10 2013 15:18 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:15 dashpar wrote:On May 10 2013 15:09 ninazerg wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 dashpar wrote:
On May 10 2013 14:54 dashpar wrote:
Tarababcock give me a break... She doesn't play because she likes it. She plays for the little money in it she see's. Plus she's practically a porn actor. When she streams she has way to many ads and she makes sure you can see right down her dress. Ms Spyte is good and she has class! Plus she can draw too! Have you seen her Zerg? It's awesome! What can tarababcock do?
You kidding me? TaraBabcock is a supermodel gamer, and it's clear you're just hating on her for her looks. EG should hire her as soon as possible.
She can't play dude....She's platnium. Get real... And she doesn't stream very much. Ms. Spyte has got potential. She just a little more playing time and some good mentors and then she'll be kicking their butts! TaraBabcock would destroy Ms. Spyte. I bet 100 dollars* on it. *zimbabwe dollars Oh yeah Zimbabwe dollars... That's not putting your money where your mouth is. Tarababcock is a lair too. She says:" Q: PORN OR NUDES? A: Nope, not of myself anyway! I'm a non-nude professional model." Source http://www.twitch.tv/tarababcock/c/2218544However, when you do a search on images of tarababcock Tara ImagesLooks like a lot of porn there! That's the last type of personality EG needs right now. And you only like her because she's hot.. Well Mr. I will bet you 100 American dollars that Tarababcock boobs are fake! You must not look at the same things as me. I see nothing there that actually shows her nude. Almost naked does not equal naked. And what does her having fake boobs or not have to do anything with whether she shows them?
Almost Naked does equal naked when it is clear that the photo's have been photoshopped to block out her nipples and she is clearly not wearing a bra. Plus she has a link to her site in a porn directory. Not to mention that I did find a video of tarababcock in a porn video. Do a search for Tarababcock porn you'll go right to it. I'd share the link but I'm not doing that here. I've got a little more class than that.
If you're such a fan of Tarababcock you pay her enough and I'm sure she'll give you a ride. But don't think that makes her talented at Starcraft 2.
Ms. Spyte's got talent and class! EG should hire her!
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On May 10 2013 15:19 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:17 sekritzzz wrote:On May 10 2013 15:11 Lokerek wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. Here come the fanboys... I hate Naniwa but to say Idra is hardest working player is a joke and insult to what Naniwa and other foreigner show. I'd say EG was way too lenient and should have done it earlier. Forgot about talented part. His success was mostly based on mechanics since the 14p 15h build he did was so predictable it was called Idra Build for a reason. Here come the goldfish......Some people have memories longer than 1 year you know. Idra used to be one of the most hardworking people. I actually dislike idra's personality and think he balances whines too much for his race but what he stated there is absolutely true and ruined a large part of the western SC2 scene for me. People aren't paid to be good, they are paid to be entertainers because that's exactly what most of the community seeks. As sad as that is, that is how the Sc2 community is. Lmao since when do we know that goldfish have memories less than 1 year? Do you study or have extensive knowledge of goldfishes? LOLing hard at your choice of an introduction. And why the hell would you assume that anyone would understand that analogy? lol
His analogy was fine. It's actually a myth that goldfish have memories of only a few seconds, which I believe has been disproved numerous times... According to wikipedia, goldfish have memories of at least 3 months. And according to some scientists I found from some article, it lasts up to 5 months. So, there you go. I don't really know why you found it so humorous..
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Unexpected but hopefully he moves on with his life now.
He won't gain anything from e-sports anymore and e-sports doesn't need him.
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Argh, EG-TL has no chance now without him..
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On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised.
This is the truth, plenty of EG videos play off the Idra "character". I think a reddit circle jerk ended up calling sponsors, and EG had to oblige once sponsors stepped in. Ruining someone's livelihood in order to be PC is the new thing these days among kids who don't have any power in life other than on the internet in numbers.
It's ok though, every big ending creates opportunity, and Idra can either choose to explode a smaller team, join another big team, or follow any other of his goals in life, dude is still mad young.
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Unnecessary, even though I have mixed feelings about Idra. Looking forward to his new overlay though if he streams again. Perhaps he will become a new refreshened Grack when he's not shrouded by the mentality of a corporate ego. Who knows.. Would like to see him continue to play.
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On May 10 2013 15:31 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 15:27 Mothra wrote:On May 10 2013 15:22 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:14 Talin wrote:On May 10 2013 15:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 10 2013 15:07 Talin wrote:
Recruit one of the most talented and THE hardest working foreign player that ever played the game. Enable and encourage the worst of his habits to make your (irrelevant at the time) SC2 division hyper popular in the next 1-2 years by deliberately building up and feeding off the negativity in his image, even when it was obvious it was destroying his best qualities as a player.
Then, when you realize you don't need him anymore, fire him for saying something that is genuinely true and not really offensive at all.
Well color me surprised. not to take anything off of idra's work ethic cuz he seemed to do decent but I don't think he was THE hardest working foreign player... just had to look at Kas for that, always had easily over 2000 games every ladder season I was talking 2009-2010 here, not sure Kas was even active back then (could be wrong though). During his time on CJ and immediately before EG I'm pretty sure Idra was the hardest working western player. That is the player they signed at the time. the beta came out in february 2010, not sure why you bring up 2009 o_o Before SC2, Idra moved over to Korea to live in the CJ Entus pro gamer house. Despite not getting much results, he stuck with it for quite awhile and was the only foreigner to do something like that (at least at that time, I know some others did before). That really took a lot of guts and dedication to the game. there were very few who were willing to do that, the risk/reward was just way too bad to even consider imo... I'm sure he doesn't regret doing that but I think he would have achieved just as much in SC2 even if he didn't go to korea prior to that
Well my point is that he truly loved the game and held himself to a high standard (in terms of play, not personality lol). That is more than can be said of the waves of people who have swooped in to make money and careers off of SC2. Idra actually sacrificed and broke new waters by going to live full time in a 100% Korean pro house. People forget what he put in and what he gave up for the game.
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He was an inspiration to me as an aspiring zerg player during WOL beta, and what followed beyond release was nothing short of a miracle. His tenacity for playing a game he has ended up with not enjoying is quite frankly astounding, and I commend him for remaining one of north Americas most consistent players while doing something he inevitably have come to resent.
I would love a retrospective interview one year down the line -once the drama has faded and Idra has sorted his thoughts out-. It would be quite the intriguing read.
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