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Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
May 03 2013 01:00 GMT
#101
jesus christ, they are actually considering the oracle buff, are u fucking kidding me.

Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 03 2013 01:03 GMT
#102
On May 03 2013 09:59 Xequecal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 09:56 MateShade wrote:
This is so untrue... Don't talk if you have no idea what you're talking about. Players made careers out of their superior Muta micro


People made careers out of superior Muta micro in a game where you could only control 12 units, thus better multitasking was rewarded. In SC2 you can control all your mutas at once which makes all of this moot. You get the first volley off, you win the game instantly.


Plus Muta micro in SC2 is nothing compared to Muta micro in BW.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 01:04:39
May 03 2013 01:03 GMT
#103
As a spectator, I'm glad that their trying to address mutas in the ZvZ matchup. While it's interesting how razor-thin and upgrade-dependent muta vs muta is, it doesn't show on the screen. It's very difficult to 'read' or decipher who is ahead or behind, and boring when EVERY ZvZ seems to come down to who was able to make the most mutas.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
May 03 2013 01:03 GMT
#104
On May 03 2013 09:59 Gorilla23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 09:56 MateShade wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:23 partydude89 wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:13 semmeL wrote:
Why doesnt they want muta vs muta, was fun to watch in sc1 also. Sure it's hard for the players but, where is the problem with rewarding the better micro/macroing player that has better multitasking.
Oracle speedbuff seems too strong and will buff the allin also, cause u can micro it better.

Hope the changes wont go live like that after testing.



Because it doesn't. it's mostly luck based. it seems like whoever starts mutas/gets the first volley off first wins. there is very little micro you can actually do.

This is so untrue... Don't talk if you have no idea what you're talking about. Players made careers out of their superior Muta micro


The thing is, there isn't much room to show off Muta micro anymore without scourge. I'm not a fan of buffing static defense because I feel it cripples the different ways Mutas can be used.


Yeah, I would actually really like to see Scourge added to the game. Makes ZvZ more interesting, gives more options vs late game Skytoss. Everyone wins!
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 03 2013 01:05 GMT
#105
On May 03 2013 10:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 09:59 Gorilla23 wrote:
On May 03 2013 09:56 MateShade wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:23 partydude89 wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:13 semmeL wrote:
Why doesnt they want muta vs muta, was fun to watch in sc1 also. Sure it's hard for the players but, where is the problem with rewarding the better micro/macroing player that has better multitasking.
Oracle speedbuff seems too strong and will buff the allin also, cause u can micro it better.

Hope the changes wont go live like that after testing.



Because it doesn't. it's mostly luck based. it seems like whoever starts mutas/gets the first volley off first wins. there is very little micro you can actually do.

This is so untrue... Don't talk if you have no idea what you're talking about. Players made careers out of their superior Muta micro


The thing is, there isn't much room to show off Muta micro anymore without scourge. I'm not a fan of buffing static defense because I feel it cripples the different ways Mutas can be used.


Yeah, I would actually really like to see Scourge added to the game. Makes ZvZ more interesting, gives more options vs late game Skytoss. Everyone wins!


Except the colossus. The colossus loses big time.
NickEZ
Profile Joined April 2013
41 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 01:06:34
May 03 2013 01:05 GMT
#106
Quit crying, one widow mine counters oracle.
Also, they haven't even proposed a change to the hellbat (drops) which are even more cheesy than oracle
People_0f_Color
Profile Joined August 2010
177 Posts
May 03 2013 01:07 GMT
#107
On May 03 2013 08:36 BaaL` wrote:
Mine 50 gas, get zerglings, tech burrow. Oh you want to have a natural? That will be 1 scan pls. Oh you want a wall? Another scan please. Oh you wanted to move out later with any kind of bio? Better get a raven or you will have to scan 15 times to get across the map, or you will die to baneling burrow.


The sky isn't falling. And don't worry, your 57-43 winrate TvZ will largely remain untouched.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 01:16:34
May 03 2013 01:11 GMT
#108
On May 03 2013 10:03 Defacer wrote:
As a spectator, I'm glad that their trying to address mutas in the ZvZ matchup. While it's interesting how razor-thin and upgrade-dependent muta vs muta is, it doesn't show on the screen. It's very difficult to 'read' or decipher who is ahead or behind, and boring when EVERY ZvZ seems to come down to who was able to make the most mutas.


Yeah cause watching people camp at static defense is exciting from a spectator's point of view...

Just went in to try on some roach burrow rush, you'll be able to have atleast 6 roaches with burrow at opponents natural at 5:30, 11 at 6:45. Promoting more 1base play seems to be an awesome way to make it a better game, gj Blizzard.
hundred thousand krouner
_SilverSurfer_
Profile Joined October 2012
United States41 Posts
May 03 2013 01:13 GMT
#109
I think the burrow change is too drastic. 50/50 is too damn low imho, I think changing it to 75/75 is perfect, but that's the point of beta testing. Haha.
Electric slide! :D
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
May 03 2013 01:16 GMT
#110
On May 03 2013 10:05 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 10:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On May 03 2013 09:59 Gorilla23 wrote:
On May 03 2013 09:56 MateShade wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:23 partydude89 wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:13 semmeL wrote:
Why doesnt they want muta vs muta, was fun to watch in sc1 also. Sure it's hard for the players but, where is the problem with rewarding the better micro/macroing player that has better multitasking.
Oracle speedbuff seems too strong and will buff the allin also, cause u can micro it better.

Hope the changes wont go live like that after testing.



Because it doesn't. it's mostly luck based. it seems like whoever starts mutas/gets the first volley off first wins. there is very little micro you can actually do.

This is so untrue... Don't talk if you have no idea what you're talking about. Players made careers out of their superior Muta micro


The thing is, there isn't much room to show off Muta micro anymore without scourge. I'm not a fan of buffing static defense because I feel it cripples the different ways Mutas can be used.


Yeah, I would actually really like to see Scourge added to the game. Makes ZvZ more interesting, gives more options vs late game Skytoss. Everyone wins!


Except the colossus. The colossus loses big time.

Even as a Protoss player I wouldn't mind that, Colossus so boring
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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
May 03 2013 01:20 GMT
#111
On May 03 2013 10:05 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 10:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On May 03 2013 09:59 Gorilla23 wrote:
On May 03 2013 09:56 MateShade wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:23 partydude89 wrote:
On May 03 2013 08:13 semmeL wrote:
Why doesnt they want muta vs muta, was fun to watch in sc1 also. Sure it's hard for the players but, where is the problem with rewarding the better micro/macroing player that has better multitasking.
Oracle speedbuff seems too strong and will buff the allin also, cause u can micro it better.

Hope the changes wont go live like that after testing.



Because it doesn't. it's mostly luck based. it seems like whoever starts mutas/gets the first volley off first wins. there is very little micro you can actually do.

This is so untrue... Don't talk if you have no idea what you're talking about. Players made careers out of their superior Muta micro


The thing is, there isn't much room to show off Muta micro anymore without scourge. I'm not a fan of buffing static defense because I feel it cripples the different ways Mutas can be used.


Yeah, I would actually really like to see Scourge added to the game. Makes ZvZ more interesting, gives more options vs late game Skytoss. Everyone wins!


Except the colossus. The colossus loses big time.

Not really, Scourge are insanely low HP and can be protected by Stalkers and micro.
reyder
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States71 Posts
May 03 2013 01:23 GMT
#112
the implications of these patches to terran is just plain scary. Can't even think of early marine pressure now. Absolutely must make turrets now. and is in danger of losing entire armies to bane mines now because EVERY zerg will take advantage of it.
NGUNS!
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
May 03 2013 01:24 GMT
#113
I hope the developers get muddbutt for the next month for even considering buffing oracles.

THEY WANT PROTOSS TO COMMITT TO ALL-INS INVOLVING THEM? Did I read this shit correctly?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-03 01:25:22
May 03 2013 01:24 GMT
#114
On May 03 2013 10:23 reyder wrote:
the implications of these patches to terran is just plain scary. Can't even think of early marine pressure now. Absolutely must make turrets now. and is in danger of losing entire armies to bane mines now because EVERY zerg will take advantage of it.


God forbid Terran players have to play somewhat scared! The other two races live in constant fear of medivacs, mines, hellbats, even banshees still.

Zero sympathy.

On May 03 2013 10:24 stevarius wrote:
I hope the developers get muddbutt for the next month for even considering buffing oracles.

THEY WANT PROTOSS TO COMMITT TO ALL-INS INVOLVING THEM? Did I read this shit correctly?


You did not, try again.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 03 2013 01:24 GMT
#115
Oracle buff is not that bad......
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 03 2013 01:30 GMT
#116
On May 03 2013 10:11 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2013 10:03 Defacer wrote:
As a spectator, I'm glad that their trying to address mutas in the ZvZ matchup. While it's interesting how razor-thin and upgrade-dependent muta vs muta is, it doesn't show on the screen. It's very difficult to 'read' or decipher who is ahead or behind, and boring when EVERY ZvZ seems to come down to who was able to make the most mutas.


Yeah cause watching people camp at static defense is exciting from a spectator's point of view...

Just went in to try on some roach burrow rush, you'll be able to have atleast 6 roaches with burrow at opponents natural at 5:30, 11 at 6:45. Promoting more 1base play seems to be an awesome way to make it a better game, gj Blizzard.


Ooooooooohhhhhhh yeah, that's what I said ...

I love it when nerds imagine things to disagree with.

UltiBahamut
Profile Joined October 2010
United States102 Posts
May 03 2013 01:30 GMT
#117
I don't see why people like the spore buff, its going to be horrible lol. Muta/ling/bane will still be stronger than roach/hydra/infestor because of the same issues as before. Roach/hydra/infestor can't push out for a while because banes will wreck it. and when its large enough the muta player should be on ultras.

AND if it stays muta vs muta this means that if you're behind just sit above 3 spore crawlers and the muta player thats ahead can not kill you for any reason. Its just going to reward really really bad players and create a horribly stale play.
"Thats Halo, Dont worry" Huk
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
May 03 2013 01:31 GMT
#118
Spore crawler buff and the burrow change im all for atm, but the oracle not so much, im getting proxy oracled enough on ladder already
Jaedong & Faker
idkfa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States77 Posts
May 03 2013 01:42 GMT
#119
So AGIANTSMURF writes a guide about his PvT, based around including an early forge in his standard build order because of the incredible threat presented by Widow Mines, and here people that have never experienced a build-order loss to cloaked Banshees find Oracles interesting somehow.

Okay, so you're comfortable abusing Robo openers, I get that. Should Stargates be dangerous? Should Oracles be a game-changer?
If you use "literally" as a form of hyperbole, you will literally DIE! (Eventually.)
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
May 03 2013 01:44 GMT
#120
So... I played the balance test map, did a one base roach rush with burrow vs a protoss, he called me a bronze scrub and started flaming me for not macroing and then he ignored me, lol.
hundred thousand krouner
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