Obviously no. Tastosis & day9 are so big fan favorites it doesn't matter what they do people love it. If there was a stream "watch paint dry with Day9", it would still have a huge audience.

bongling

41 Posts

April 13 2013 18:00 GMT

#82

I enjoy the banter, the lion piss thing still tickles me but agree they sometimes go overboard with random topics that seem purely to kill time, and take away from the game. They don't have to do an intense play by play of a standard reaper opening, but having some useful stats, inside knowledge of teams, or styles, or even some history would be nice. Just need to refine the balance I think, and use the quiet times to educate noobs like me a little more while keeping the chemistry flowing.

I like the concept of split screen, but at the last MLG I didn't really like it, execution looked a little off but am glad they're trying it. I did like the post game analysis, think Day9 did the best job of breaking critical spots down informatively but so that noobs could get it too and increase their understanding of the game.

sixfour

England11061 Posts

April 13 2013 18:02 GMT

#83

Just listen to test match special when it's raining and go from there

Thalandros

Netherlands1151 Posts

April 13 2013 19:39 GMT

#84

On April 13 2013 12:34 rename wrote:

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At some point, it would get much more boring.
There is a limit on how much stats most people can care about, and some people dont want statistics at all.

Also when i followed x-country skiing there was plenty of yapping about weather, scenery and what happened to this athlete at his hotel room, and so on so starcraft is not alone in filling downtime with chitchat.

... that said, it would be nice if casters could pull up stats on demand every now and then to talk about those - some of that downtime could indeed use more stats.

I completely feel like you. I don't mind casters babbling a bit, I enjoy it unless they repeat it very much etc. However, that doesn't happen much and especially with the casting archon, I personally enjoy it a lot. (I might be in the minority here.)

The pull-stats-on-demand thing I greatly approve of though. Gives more interesting stuff to fill time with.

DavoS

United States4605 Posts

April 20 2013 02:52 GMT

#85

I'm majoring in TV production and I agree with everything you say.
The problem is that most of the older talent that knows how to coordinate all of this doesn't know anything about these events. Dreamhack does a great job with live events, and you touched on how the GSL provides stats and information, but otherwise we really don't see casters doing anything to fill airtime. Everything else has caught up and esports can explode any minute now, there aren't any excuses left that the casters and crews can use to justify not striving for higher standards

JeanLuc

Canada377 Posts

April 20 2013 03:16 GMT

#86

for your 'after the game' suggestion-- doesn't axslav already do a similar analysis, down to the overlay with circles and lines? also, in the graphic you show, it doesn't seem like any movement of the terran army would have made a difference whatsoever there. there is just a gaping food and tech differential there. and often times that is the problem, the engagement was decided in the blink of an eye, leaving little to no time for micro. that's a game issue, not a production/analysis issue.

plogamer

Canada3132 Posts

April 20 2013 04:04 GMT

#87

Forget multi-screen, I liked the idea at first, but then I realize how lame that is.

Just skip between the two fights like GSL does it in double pronged harass. In triple pronged, they show the big two prongs, and then show the smaller prong after the two big attacks are finished (usually a drop from a Terran). We get to see the result for the third/smaller prong, like marines/marauders dead/dying and medivac floating about, or exploding after mutas pick it off. This way flows better, gives each attack more attention.

TLDR: If you put more than 1 intense action on the screen at a time, it becomes very difficult on focus.

Stye

Poland40 Posts

April 20 2013 05:43 GMT

#88

Split screen sucks, agreed, but what's wrong with Picture in Picture? I feel it's a matter of months for GSL to adopt it after MLG

Khalimaroth

France70 Posts

April 20 2013 08:24 GMT

#89

I'm fine with broadcasters actually. I just ofen dont like the camera control... ^^

Maybe a little off topic but i don't really know why the right-clik is useless in obs/replay?

If you right-click on the minimap, on the ground, or on a unit, it's could be a smooth and nice camera scrolling to the point clicked.
It could help caster a lot, facilitate their camera control, for us, the audience^^.

Gl hf ♪ everyone.

Deleted User 137586

7859 Posts

April 20 2013 09:14 GMT

#90

I think the thread has missed three points.

1) As someone pointed out off-hand, the Korean casters are much more scripted and they have a lot more statistics to draw on. I think we're mostly talking about GSL here so the problem there is that the English and Korean casts are so very different. In fact, the main reason why Tastosis is so incredibly popular is because they can do it all. Artosis has a ton of stats and SC2 related stuff (which would be given to a caster by a team in a regular sport) and Tasteless is great at the filler content, not to mention the awesome play-by-play. All three of these would be assisted by a team showing clips and stats and graphs in a regular broadcast. And it's notable that the Korean cast gets a bigger team than the English broadcast.

2) This also will not necessarily reduce banter as the casters have a choice which route to take. When they have something super funny going on, they can ignore the statistics. If they do not, they can discuss them well. I think it's fair to say that Tastosis ignores stats sometimes because they have very funny rants and tons of people like that. I can also imagine TotalControl ignoring stats all the time. But Khaldor is a good example of someone whose jokes, while sometimes hilarious, are generally bad puns, but he does probably the best job of anyone of covering tidbits, stats, latest news and much more. His casts are engaging because he works hard at the job which would really be done by a team for him.

3) What we are eventually talking about is two things: some casts are terrible. Not every pair can be expected to have hilarious synergy while being well versed in stats and information. Those are the caster-pairs that require more production behind them to make it more enjoyable. This means that some audiences are not drawn into SC2. Secondly, even though Tastosis is great, I cannot imagine them being terribly popular among people outside of the staple demographic of SC2. Pokemon jokes, old games, occasional misogyny, immature humour, etc is fine by me (hmmm.. I might have to rethink my life a bit) but it is alienating to many older people, some girls, and other people that are more used to professional interaction. If we want to get SC2 equalized, eventually, with other mainstream media, we need to start experimenting with increasing production value and making the casts more inclusive and more professional. This doesn't mean that we scuttle the banter, but we should try to find a suitable role for it.

FinalForm

United States450 Posts

April 20 2013 09:43 GMT

#91

Doesn't more observers increase the likelihood of lags/drops/ or other related issues. Remember there's no lan. Doesn't GSL already use like four obs? Kor obs, kor caster, english obs, English caster?

Mellon

Sweden917 Posts

April 20 2013 10:04 GMT

#92

I agree on everything basicly, however point two is harder to accomplish then one and three. I definately think you should have analysis post-game, it's fun to see and not hard to do either. I think Gom has become better on having stats on their cast, but in general i want more, way more. The multiple angles is hard to do live i believe, these guys aren't exactly swimming in money and they'd have to hire more observers + get the technology needed. I want it, but i understand if it's hard. The #1 #3 point isnt really hard to do.

opisska

Poland8852 Posts

April 20 2013 10:19 GMT

#93

The off-topic banter of Tastosis is one of the reasons I preffer watyching code S to everything elese in SC2. Even though half of the stuff they say is not even funny or does not make any sense, the atmosphere they create is relaxed and friendly.

I still don't really get this idea that SC2 has to be more like a normal sport. I do not like watching normal sports, why would I want SC2 broadcast to mimic anything from them? I do not want to give up what I like about SC2 just for it to be more mainstream.

SorrowShine

698 Posts

April 20 2013 16:52 GMT

#94

hey hey
my 5 cents into whole discussion.

I really believe that we should leave the casters as they are. tastosis banter is exactly why we love or hate them.
Everytime I watch Wolf I am waiting for his Hair comments. they are ridiculous btw. But I always lf to them.
I dont want all the casters be the same and similar style. Just leave them be.

Just an example: In russia there is a commentator who is I would say special. He quite often says to people rude things. Some people love him for his honesty, some people hate him for that. Anyway hugely popular figure. And I am sure some people I watching soccer games just because of him.
The same with Code S. I am sure some people are tuning in just to listen to Tastosis.
They are already a Legend in a SC community, much more popular than most of the players.

Improvement of technical part i think is all about money. . And production crew I am sure has a ton ideas how to improve their broadcast. It's gonna get better as e-sports expands

plogamer

Canada3132 Posts

April 20 2013 17:41 GMT

#95

Anyone enjoy the new camera zoom in GSL? I love it. It makes it so much easier to think of the game in a more positional sense.

GSTL yesterday used it a lot in TvT, I loved it.

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