EPTWCS FAQ update by Blizzard (4/10/2013) - Page 8
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sLideSC2
United States225 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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Jknighty
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Lesmoth
United States4 Posts
On April 11 2013 00:59 hellokittySC2 wrote: haha thanks for pointing that out johnclark(and it's good to see you're alive). you never know if a foreigner may rise to the top and beat all the koreans like stephano did to live the american dream :D Is'nt KR vs KR vs KR what we want to see??? Not some phoney "I'm here because they gave me this spot even though I don't deserve to be here" match up. Who CARES if it ALL KR! If they are the best players then by all means, they should have all the placements. Nothing is so degrading as to be seeded in to a league higher than your own, only to be beaten silly your first match. Get over the "all KR" thing. They are, or were, more entertaining anyhow. I also see non-Koreans closing the gap some day anyways. But the only way to be sure is to have honest competition. Not 3 different leagues that only meet at the final 16. Especially if all 16 players would have come from just one of the three leagues if the competition were an honest one. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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Lesmoth
United States4 Posts
On April 11 2013 07:01 Archerofaiur wrote: Rasism is not the solution people. Love your heroes for how the play the game, not the color of their skin. This. But with better spelling. (Yes. my sig is purposely misspelled.) | ||
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Switzerland367 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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A huge skype conference with blizzard officials (and those of the tournament organizers) and all team organizers, one from each team. One official will offer a live audiostream to the public, giving other team organisers, the players on the team, and people from the press the opportunity to listen to it. Should they have questions, they can always forward them to their respective representant. And the conference will not end until all questions are answered, some objections will definitely still be left, but it is important that there are no more questions. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On April 11 2013 07:25 Lesmoth wrote: Is'nt KR vs KR vs KR what we want to see??? Not some phoney "I'm here because they gave me this spot even though I don't deserve to be here" match up. Who CARES if it ALL KR! If they are the best players then by all means, they should have all the placements. Nothing is so degrading as to be seeded in to a league higher than your own, only to be beaten silly your first match. Get over the "all KR" thing. They are, or were, more entertaining anyhow. I also see non-Koreans closing the gap some day anyways. But the only way to be sure is to have honest competition. Not 3 different leagues that only meet at the final 16. Especially if all 16 players would have come from just one of the three leagues if the competition were an honest one. The biggest problem isn't KR vs KR vs KR, even though I think you can make the case that that isn't what's best for the scene. But the bigger problem is that now we're getting all Koreans playing each other BUT they have to region lock themselves for the rest of the year. Another big problem is that in this current system, there is very little reason for any foreigner to even TRY and qualify for the GSL (WCS KR). What I don't like about the new WCS system is that it's very restrictive and will mean I won't see a lot of my favorite players playing in the most prestigious Korean tournaments (including Huk and Naniwa) and they'll be blocked from either MLG or IEM as well, depending on what region they choose. I think Blizzard needs to restate what their whole goal for the WCS is. I think they're now thinking, "we want to consolidate the leagues so that there's a coherent storyline during the year resulting in a 'world champion' every season." But that wasn't what we needed the most. What we needed more was some way to strengthen the regional scenes and develop the players there AND increase prize pool money for all players in ALL regions (including Korea). And with this new system, we are undermining the NA and EU player scene AND reducing the GSL Code A and Code S prize disbursements. NA and EU prize money might go up now, but it looks like foreign Koreans are going to win most or all of that money. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
Basically they are stealing the spotlight from GSL and are putting it on the "Grand final" at Blizzcon... How convenient. And wtf is that shit with the equal price pools ? Since when Europe=Korea=NA ? Also that region locking looks like a complete bullshit to me. I mean, they are doing it wrong. Either they should make it based on citizenship, or they should make it open worldwide tour. The second option is the best if you ask me... | ||
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Maesy
United States1444 Posts
https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/my-thoughts-on-wcs | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On April 11 2013 07:50 Jacmert wrote: The biggest problem isn't KR vs KR vs KR, even though I think you can make the case that that isn't what's best for the scene. But the bigger problem is that now we're getting all Koreans playing each other BUT they have to region lock themselves for the rest of the year. Another big problem is that in this current system, there is very little reason for any foreigner to even TRY and qualify for the GSL (WCS KR). What I don't like about the new WCS system is that it's very restrictive and will mean I won't see a lot of my favorite players playing in the most prestigious Korean tournaments (including Huk and Naniwa) and they'll be blocked from either MLG or IEM as well, depending on what region they choose. I think Blizzard needs to restate what their whole goal for the WCS is. I think they're now thinking, "we want to consolidate the leagues so that there's a coherent storyline during the year resulting in a 'world champion' every season." But that wasn't what we needed the most. What we needed more was some way to strengthen the regional scenes and develop the players there AND increase prize pool money for all players in ALL regions (including Korea). And with this new system, we are undermining the NA and EU player scene AND reducing the GSL Code A and Code S prize disbursements. NA and EU prize money might go up now, but it looks like foreign Koreans are going to win most or all of that money. There are a few failings with your argument: 1) While WCS KR might be the most prestigious, WCS NA with this amount of Korean presence isn't very far behind. Seeing Huk play 2 games in GSL every 3-4 months is hardly note worthy. It might be for you if you are a huge fan of Huk, but most peoples are just regular fans of Huk, who would love to see more of him playing rather than just practicing in some foreign country. 2) This might be restrictive by last few year's standards, but this is a MUST for continued growth in SC2. You're not supposed to see people play in different regions. If you're in Korea you play in Korea, if you're in NA you play in NA. Then at the end, you have a showdown for the best of each region. Having said that, they obviously couldn't do that this year because it would be an even worse catastrophe. It's clear by Blizzard's tone that they want to build LOCAL hubs in each region where teams and players will practice and play. Seoul for KR, San Fran for NA, and somewhere in Germany for EU. Let's not forget that in the HEIGHT of BW in Korea, there was only TWO tournaments (MSL and OSL) and ONE teamleague. And the only way to get access to these leagues is through obtaining a licsense by winning courage (which was EXTREMELY difficult, on par with qualifying for Code A, except only one spot for each tournament). That's not to say that this is the best we can strive for, but it says that you don't need 50 tournaments to have a successful business model for players. 3) In the short term, a few KR players may win the NA/EU prizes, but in the long term once residence is required (or at least most of the Ro32 is required to be played offline), that will even up. Not to mention that without opening the NA to some Koreans, it loses viewers, legitimacy, and it will end up being a showdown between Polt and Violet for the next 2-3 years. It will then eventually fail and crumble, and we all go back to waking up at 5am EST to watch some good Starcraft. Having a successful event with lots of viewers and building the brand here in NA is the most important thing. Growing players locally is great for sustained growth and maintaining presence. If you look at BW, the top 32 from 2000-2002 is different from 2002-2004 which was totally different from 2008-2010. You need constant emergence of new players. How? By building infrastructure that is based on a successful model. If you lock NA right NOW, you get 30 mediocre players, Polt, and Violet. You get shitty play, and maybe (or maybe not) in a year or 2, one or two might be good enough to challenge the rest of the Korean scene. You need to infuse just the right amount of top-end competition so that players aspire to be much better, while also having hope that they can win. We already have a set of players, let's focus on them getting better, and let's focus on building a successful event with high viewership, so that next year we can say it makes sense to build a studio in San Fran and open up 12 team houses. Then Polt, Violet, and whoever want's to come to NA can and by having to live in NA, will help boost the skill level of the people around them. One thing people seem to forget about competition is that you'll only be as good as you need to. | ||
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Dingodile
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On April 11 2013 07:01 Archerofaiur wrote: Rasism is not the solution people. Love your heroes for how the play the game, not the color of their skin. Thats the main difference and biggest problem in sc2. in wc3 and scbw all heroes had different play style. In sc2 exactly nobody, all play the same. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
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