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On April 11 2013 02:32 MavivaM wrote:I went directly to Battlenet's thread and I found this, http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c1slt/my_views_on_wcsregional_based_leagues_region/which are some opinions from Catz about the subject. I won't say if I agree or disagree with his points, but they deserve to be read in my opinion: coming from a guy who believes foreigner players to be generally quite lazy and arrogant (there are a lot of exception, though... like in everything) Catz's post made me reflect.
I read some of that (it was too long, even though well written and on point) before skipping to the bottom. Those few lines should probably be in the OP, because, ultimately that's the crux of this. You have some tournaments afraid of losing their sponsorships, and they're willing to risk losing the scene over it. While tournaments are worrying about viewers and how many thousands they will make, players are left wondering if they will simply make anything. Given this direction, players would be better off starting their own tournaments than playing.
Edit: thought this was a different thread.
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About when NA and EU will be all offline : I came to the conclusion that it will not be this year, but in 2014.
I assume that EG-TL wants to keep competing in ProLeague* and that Axiom-Acer wants the same for GSTL, hence, if they have chosen to put their players in WCS Europe or WCS America, it's because they are certain that there will be no conflict between those different commitment. Am I right ?
(The other solution would be that EG, TL, Axiom and Acer made a choice without being aware exactly of what will happen because of Blizzard silliness — ans that shit will hit the fan when WCS EU or WCS AM will be all offline events...)
* Actually, I'm quite sure about it.
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On April 11 2013 02:33 Xacez wrote:
The big problem with WCS is the complete lack of clarity and accessible information. We have seen this over and over again. The tournament was announced when? April 3rd? It has been a week since these and the confusing is beyond belief. Axiom is doing a 180 as a cause of the confusion and Western Wolves has also stated lack of information. Why you would announce something on this scale and force teams to make tremendous decisions with the span of ~2 weeks while information is lacking and confusing; is beyond my belief.
I think the rules simply weren't ready. Blizzard wanted to take advantage of the energy and attention around launch. Waiting for the next season of GSL would push the tournament 3 months backwards. It has led to everything being rushed and a lack of clarity. Hopefully the kinks will be worked out over time.
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On April 11 2013 02:51 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 02:33 Xacez wrote:
The big problem with WCS is the complete lack of clarity and accessible information. We have seen this over and over again. The tournament was announced when? April 3rd? It has been a week since these and the confusing is beyond belief. Axiom is doing a 180 as a cause of the confusion and Western Wolves has also stated lack of information. Why you would announce something on this scale and force teams to make tremendous decisions with the span of ~2 weeks while information is lacking and confusing; is beyond my belief. I think the rules simply weren't ready. Blizzard wanted to take advantage of the energy and attention around launch. Waiting for the next season of GSL would push the tournament 3 months backwards. It has led to everything being rushed and a lack of clarity. Hopefully the kinks will be worked out over time.
I doubt they'd push it backwards. Which is exactly why it might have been announced in a bit of a rush, so teams and players know as early as possible and get the chance to react. But whatever, of course mistakes will be made.
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If only THESE questions were answered with the initial announcement. I hate blizzard!!!
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On April 11 2013 02:47 Serimek wrote:About when NA and EU will be all offline : I came to the conclusion that it will not be this year, but in 2014. I assume that EG-TL wants to keep competing in ProLeague* and that Axiom-Acer wants the same for GSTL, hence, if they have chosen to put their players in WCS Europe or WCS America, it's because they are certain that there will be no conflict between those different commitment. Am I right ? (The other solution would be that EG, TL, Axiom and Acer made a choice without being aware exactly of what will happen because of Blizzard silliness — ans that shit will hit the fan when WCS EU or WCS AM will be all offline events...) * Actually, I'm quite sure about it.
I suspect they have not made a final choice yet, and that whole news report is based on preliminary information.... or shit will hit the fan, and Blizzard has to do something.
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On April 11 2013 02:18 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 02:14 Killmouse wrote:
A detailed explanation of how the prize pool breaks down by placement will be published later this week. Please note: Blizzard has not announced this information to date.
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good to know hopefully wont be as top heavy as rumors say Didn't 2gd already show the prize money distribution? It was like $35,000 for 1st and a whopping $300 for Ro32. What a joke :___:
Those reports are wrong.
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haha im gonna wait until we have full information on this matter before im reaching for the pitchfork :D
so much confusion!!
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On April 11 2013 00:30 Kinky wrote:
This is going to be an interesting year for Starcraft.
I love it when TL writers post overly neutral and elliptical one-liners like this one.
Here's mine:
"Tomorrow will be another day for Starcraft."
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On April 11 2013 03:26 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:30 Kinky wrote:
This is going to be an interesting year for Starcraft. I love it when TL writers post overly neutral and elliptical one-liners like this one. Here's mine: "Tomorrow will be another day for Starcraft."
''No one knows what the future holds for Starcraft''
In other news. I've decided that I'm positive to the changes, albeit conservatively so.
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On April 11 2013 02:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 02:01 Sithril wrote:
GSL loosing a big chunk (38%) of its prize pool??? And not being able to add to it their OWN finances?! Is Blizzard trying to undermine Korea or what?
How did Gom and OGN agree to this?!! It would be awesome if someone interviewed them :-( Nothing is stopping them from running other tournaments. Well, besides possibly their own finances...
Didn't Blizzard say specifically that you can't run an event parallel to WCS? So when Gom does S1, OGN can't run a SC2 event that broadcasts on the same day as Gom. And when OGN does OSL for S2, Gom can't do anything.
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On April 11 2013 03:26 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:30 Kinky wrote:
This is going to be an interesting year for Starcraft. I love it when TL writers post overly neutral and elliptical one-liners like this one. Here's mine: "Tomorrow will be another day for Starcraft."
With enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals, who knows!?
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Note that the faq says eu qualifiers will begin on april 14th pacific time (so april 15th in europe). That's not true according to esl's qualifier event as it will start 2 pm CET on april 14th, just wanted to put that out...
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I feel that when they want NA and EU to be offline they should UNNERF gsl and osl.
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I cant be the only one thiking that the old WCS 2012 Structure was way better for a regional promotion of players BY FAR.
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On April 11 2013 02:44 playa wrote:I read some of that (it was too long, even though well written and on point) before skipping to the bottom. Those few lines should probably be in the OP, because, ultimately that's the crux of this. You have some tournaments afraid of losing their sponsorships, and they're willing to risk losing the scene over it. While tournaments are worrying about viewers and how many thousands they will make, players are left wondering if they will simply make anything. Given this direction, players would be better off starting their own tournaments than playing. Edit: thought this was a different thread.
Thats a good point. Seems like the tournaments, sponsors etc are rubbing one on eachother to make sure they make most money possible. Granted, that tournaments are the thing that keeps the scene going, but it seems to me that the are forgetting that PLAYERS too, are what makes the scene grow. As an upcoming european or american player you might as well forget about WCS altogether, with these brackets. This is basicly a tournament about which koreans that will qualify. (It usually is, but they didn't make it easier for the EU/NA guys)
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Have they answered at all what's going to be used to determine fifth place for each regional? A bracket or what?
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On April 11 2013 01:03 duoform wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 00:30 Kinky wrote:
This is going to be an interesting year for Starcraft. And hopefully everything goes smoothly and according to plan..
I wish they waited a year before doing something as drastic as this in HOTS's first year. Hopefully it works out!
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i am very confused unfortunately about GSL Code A/B/S and WCS. is it the same thing now?
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