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http://www.esfiworld.com/wcs-america-europe-formats-detailed-invited-players-to-be-announced-april-12th/
These details, as they have not been officially announced yet, are preliminary and may still be changed.
WCS America Premier League format (MLG)
This league is composed of two group stages leading into an eight-player, single-elimination playoff. The first group stage, consisting of 32 players, will be held entirely online. The 16 who advance from the first will take part in the second group stage, hosted at the MLG studio in New York near the end of May. The eight top placing players will qualify for the Regional Finals – again held at the MLG studios – on the weekend of June 1st. The top 5 from the Regional Finals will earn a spot in the Season 1 Finals. Similar to its European counterpart, WCS America is expected to hold a series of qualifier tournaments that will earn players spots into the Premier and Challenger divisions. This hasn’t been confirmed yet for WCS America, however.
The losing 16 players from the initial group stage will drop into the Challenger League – played entirely online – to give players a chance to requalify for the WCS Premier League’s following season.
For those players that advance to the in-studio rounds of play (group stage 2 and beyond), MLG will only be covering travel expenses for players living in the Americas. However, if a player first travels to any city in the United States, MLG will then pay for their flight to the MLG studio from that U.S. city.
Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
WCS Europe Premier League format (ESL)
Other than being managed by ESL, the WCS Europe format mirrors WCS America’s. A series of online qualifiers will be held from April 14th-17th where a number of spots for both the Premier and Challenger divisions will be up for grabs. Four tournaments will be held starting on April 14th, and up to 512 players can take part. ESL will also be announcing their lineup of invited Premier League players on April 12th.
The in-studio WCS Europe tournaments (group stage 2 and beyond) will be held at the ESL TV studios in Cologne, Germany. Flight and hotel will be provided at no cost to players who are traveling from within Europe.
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300
https://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9447310/WCS_Season_1_Dates-4_8_2013
With WCS Korea competition already underway, we'd like to highlight some important dates and details for the fast-approaching WCS America and WCS Europe leagues.
Since there was no preceding season to qualify players for Season 1 of WCS America and WCS Europe, we’re going to do things a little differently from how they’ll be done in future seasons.
For this inaugural season of WCS America and WCS Europe, 24 players will be invited to compete in each region based on their performance in past StarCraft II tournaments. In addition, a round of special qualifiers will be held to determine 8 players who will join the invited 24 (more details soon). Once all 32 players are locked in, play will commence and run for a few weeks.
The rest of Season 1 will then play out via the same structure planned for future seasons. The top 8 players in each region will compete in their region's finals, which will be a weekend offline event. Once all three regional finals have concluded, the top performers from each region will battle in an epic global Season Finals at a live event hosted by one of the regions. To seed that event, the top 6 players from the host region will be joined by the top 5 players from each of the two other regions to engage in a fierce tournament in order to crown the best StarCraft II player in the world for that season.
Important dates for Season 1 in each region are listed below. Note that the qualification rounds for future seasons take place during the current season. So, in addition to the intense Season 1 competition described here, the qualifiers for Season 2 will be taking place. Stay tuned for further details.
April 4
Korea
League play begins
April 14
Europe
Special qualifiers begin
April 20
America
Special qualifiers begin
April 23
Europe
League play begins (round of 32)
April 28
America
League play begins (round of 32)
May 14*
Korea
Regional league finals begin (round of 8)
May 25
Europe
Regional league finals begin (round of 8)
May 31
America
Regional league finals begin (round of 8)
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So it's GSL but the top 16 stay up for sure instead of the top 8? pretty solid top prizes
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Hm wonder how you get in for the 32 players and does this mean I need to contact them for example if I wanted to try playing?
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Yes this calls for a slow clap gif ...
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Very thought prize pool distribution, reasonable format. So far, so good.
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On April 09 2013 09:11 blade55555 wrote:
Hm wonder how you get in for the 32 players and does this mean I need to contact them for example if I wanted to try playing?
The day of the announcement I think I remember them saying there would be online qualifiers for GMs or something
but I could be wrong
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I hope MLG has a way to get an audience in there studio. There arena's always lacked a lot of hype with no crowd (even a small one helps heaps)
The prize pool still seems top heavy with the top 5 all qualifying for another tournament. GSL pays everyone in code A/S, it would be have been nice to go down to like top 48 imo.
Still awesome to see more news coming out.
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Notify by april 8th eh (today)....so if this is true there likely is not going to be an open bracket for america since the players who would be notifying them to play would have already had to of know of this
go go popularity contests for invite to premier division
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Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Incredibly short window there. If MLG-only-covering-flights-from-US info was only released to teams just now I don't see how a decision can be made so fast. I'd assume they got it earlier but the WCS threads recently suggest otherwise.
So a Korean participating would have to cover TWO international flights by themselves.
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Looks very solid, online play followed by two weekends of "lan". Good distribution of prizes. I'm really looking forward to it!
The GSL-format with a code A will be more challenging, I feel. It will be pretty obvious just how many fewer "pro gamers" reside in Europe and USA compared to SK.
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Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them 
They probably have a good idea already.
Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha
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On April 09 2013 09:11 blade55555 wrote:
Hm wonder how you get in for the 32 players and does this mean I need to contact them for example if I wanted to try playing?
24 invites, 4 qualifiers top 2 from each qualifier gets Code S
Then they are still working out Code A, but my suggestion was a point based system for everyone that plays the 4 qualifiers and doesn't get top 2, then the top 32 players based on points, be awarded Code A, which they seemed to like, but will need to wait to find out the details for Code A.
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On April 09 2013 09:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:11 blade55555 wrote:
Hm wonder how you get in for the 32 players and does this mean I need to contact them for example if I wanted to try playing? The day of the announcement I think I remember them saying there would be online qualifiers for GMs or something but I could be wrong
Well yeah I bet it's mainly invitational which sucks ass for a player like me. I dunno who I would contact from MLG or w/e to try and participate or if it doesn't even matter :/.
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Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
This is the part that really concerns me out of all of this. Even though I imagine most American players will play here that is a very short time to get ready. Do we have any information on if any proteams got this information?
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IMO the price pool and format is fine for europe, but it's an absolute disgrace that the prize pool and point distribution for GSL is the same. They're essentially ruining the prestige behind GSL (which will remain the hardest tournament to win, let's not kid ourselves, the seasonal finals will the the "Club World Cup" equivalent to GSL's "Champions League", aka kind of a fun but not serious league) just so that they can make foreigners happy to see their favorite but extremely less skilled players win games.
I don't see any insentive for koreans to stay in korea tbh. None whatsoever. And CERTAINLY no incentive for foreigners to ever go there to practice and get better and close the gap between skill level.
I'm very disappointed at WCS. Extremely disappointed.
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Wow 20k difference from first and 2nd
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On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha
It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly.
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On April 09 2013 09:20 ffadicted wrote:
IMO the price pool and format is fine for europe, but it's an absolute disgrace that the prize pool and point distribution for GSL is the same. They're essentially ruining the prestige behind GSL (which will remain the hardest tournament to win, let's not kid ourselves, the seasonal finals will the the "Club World Cup" equivalent to GSL's "Champions League", aka kind of a fun but not serious league) just so that they can make foreigners happy to see their favorite but extremely less skilled players win games.
I don't see any insentive for koreans to stay in korea tbh. None whatsoever. And CERTAINLY no incentive for foreigners to ever go there to practice and get better and close the gap between skill level.
I'm very disappointed at WCS. Extremely disappointed.
Do we have any information that GSL isn't funding a larger prizepool with all their sponsorships?
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On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly.
afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify
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Wait a minute.
Dose this mean that Koreans not playing in GSL already had to commit to a region?
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On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify
oh that's pretty decent! four out 32, with a few more qualifiers is not that korean dominated at all
On April 09 2013 09:21 pmp10 wrote:
Wait a minute.
Dose this mean that Koreans not playing in GSL already had to commit to a region?
i expect so, the KR qualifiers are tomorrow haha
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Good prize distribution. Awesome that they are spending the money to fly players out to NYC.
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On April 09 2013 09:21 BasicBarcode wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:20 ffadicted wrote:
IMO the price pool and format is fine for europe, but it's an absolute disgrace that the prize pool and point distribution for GSL is the same. They're essentially ruining the prestige behind GSL (which will remain the hardest tournament to win, let's not kid ourselves, the seasonal finals will the the "Club World Cup" equivalent to GSL's "Champions League", aka kind of a fun but not serious league) just so that they can make foreigners happy to see their favorite but extremely less skilled players win games.
I don't see any insentive for koreans to stay in korea tbh. None whatsoever. And CERTAINLY no incentive for foreigners to ever go there to practice and get better and close the gap between skill level.
I'm very disappointed at WCS. Extremely disappointed. Do we have any information that GSL isn't funding a larger prizepool with all their sponsorships?
From this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406770
Are the prize pools the same between the leagues?
Yes. All of the regional leagues will have identical prize pools and point distribution.
The prize pool breakdown for the remaining part of 2013 is as follows:
Each Regional WCS League - $100,000
Each Global Season Finals - $150,000
WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon - $250,000
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Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Anyone know how to notify MLG?
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On April 09 2013 09:25 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify oh that's pretty decent! four out 32, with a few more qualifiers is not that korean dominated at all Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 pmp10 wrote:
Wait a minute.
Dose this mean that Koreans not playing in GSL already had to commit to a region? i expect so, the KR qualifiers are tomorrow haha
Majestic. Enough speculation, I want these players pools out now and the newly hired IPL guys to be casting these games or whatever they are doing. Enough speculation, now GAMES!
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On April 09 2013 09:27 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 BasicBarcode wrote:On April 09 2013 09:20 ffadicted wrote:
IMO the price pool and format is fine for europe, but it's an absolute disgrace that the prize pool and point distribution for GSL is the same. They're essentially ruining the prestige behind GSL (which will remain the hardest tournament to win, let's not kid ourselves, the seasonal finals will the the "Club World Cup" equivalent to GSL's "Champions League", aka kind of a fun but not serious league) just so that they can make foreigners happy to see their favorite but extremely less skilled players win games.
I don't see any insentive for koreans to stay in korea tbh. None whatsoever. And CERTAINLY no incentive for foreigners to ever go there to practice and get better and close the gap between skill level.
I'm very disappointed at WCS. Extremely disappointed. Do we have any information that GSL isn't funding a larger prizepool with all their sponsorships? From this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406770Are the prize pools the same between the leagues?Yes. All of the regional leagues will have identical prize pools and point distribution. The prize pool breakdown for the remaining part of 2013 is as follows: Each Regional WCS League - $100,000 Each Global Season Finals - $150,000 WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon - $250,000
If GSL aren't adding more money on top of the 100k it's a pretty big decrease to overall prize pool + less events each year. The top player might earn more from the further stages but the CodeA guys won't :/
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On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300
This better be not GSL distribution.
Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ).
That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates.
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On April 09 2013 09:28 Shew wrote:Show nested quote +Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Anyone know how to notify MLG?
No idea I hope they let us know soon. I mean it does sound like the first stage (at least for NA) is going to be pure invitational like every other tournament, but I could (hopefully) am wrong about this.
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On April 09 2013 09:31 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300 This better be not GSL distribution. Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ). That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates.
KeSPA players are also rumoured to be strongly considering WCS NA
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Well at least Artosis has better shot at CodeA now
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On April 09 2013 09:32 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:28 Shew wrote:Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Anyone know how to notify MLG? No idea I hope they let us know soon. I mean it does sound like the first stage (at least for NA) is going to be pure invitational like every other tournament, but I could (hopefully) am wrong about this.
Not sure what tournaments you are talking about, but last year there were a lot of open bracket qualifiers.
Which is why i hate this so much. It seems like it is pure invites and no open qualification at all.
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On April 09 2013 09:27 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 BasicBarcode wrote:On April 09 2013 09:20 ffadicted wrote:
IMO the price pool and format is fine for europe, but it's an absolute disgrace that the prize pool and point distribution for GSL is the same. They're essentially ruining the prestige behind GSL (which will remain the hardest tournament to win, let's not kid ourselves, the seasonal finals will the the "Club World Cup" equivalent to GSL's "Champions League", aka kind of a fun but not serious league) just so that they can make foreigners happy to see their favorite but extremely less skilled players win games.
I don't see any insentive for koreans to stay in korea tbh. None whatsoever. And CERTAINLY no incentive for foreigners to ever go there to practice and get better and close the gap between skill level.
I'm very disappointed at WCS. Extremely disappointed. Do we have any information that GSL isn't funding a larger prizepool with all their sponsorships? From this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406770Are the prize pools the same between the leagues?Yes. All of the regional leagues will have identical prize pools and point distribution. The prize pool breakdown for the remaining part of 2013 is as follows: Each Regional WCS League - $100,000 Each Global Season Finals - $150,000 WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon - $250,000
That's a huge decrease for GSL then. I feel for the Code S Koreans then =\
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On April 09 2013 09:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:31 rename wrote:On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300This better be not GSL distribution. Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ). That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates. KeSPA players are also rumoured to be strongly considering WCS NA
How does that work with their sponsors and proleague? Also added risk comes from them having to pay their own travel expenses.
I always thought that code A ESF players might make the jump, but not Kespa.
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I think 35K for first place is a bit too much(and then a chance to win some of the 150K of the season finals).
Overall the format seems pretty decent though.
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Format seems to have the balance of forgiving and competitive, but my gripe is with prize pools, and how it will affect GSL. Seeing as how Blizzard wants to unite the tournament scene, giving parity in prize pools is a method of doing such, and GSL will have to conform. I'm concerned this may lower interest into the Korean WCS because Koreans are too busy moving to NA and EU for an easier opportunity, because the prize pools are equal yet with an easier player pool overall. As long as GSL has the larger prize pool, this is a non-issue, but Blizzard is attempting to have some conformity.
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On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify
I heard Arthur will go to Europe, is it right ? And are the other korean players from WW coming with him ?
I'm ok with 4 koreans amongst 32 players, not so much but a good additional value for the competition. Still I really want they increase the korean prize pool and/or the slot distribution for the global finals.
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So It's GSL format, but instead of dropping down to Code A if you lose in the ro16 you stay in Code S.
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On April 09 2013 09:38 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I heard Arthur will go to Europe, is it right ? And are they other korean players from WW coming with him ? I'm ok with 4 koreans amongst 32 players, not so much but a good additional value for the competition. Still I really want they increase the korean prize pool and/or the slot distribution for the global finals.
I think Daisy as well? Daisy is pretty EU at this point, like forgg.
On April 09 2013 09:36 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:32 opterown wrote:On April 09 2013 09:31 rename wrote:On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300This better be not GSL distribution. Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ). That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates. KeSPA players are also rumoured to be strongly considering WCS NA How does that work with their sponsors and proleague? Also added risk comes from them having to pay their own travel expenses. I always thought that code A ESF players might make the jump, but not Kespa.
well they would only travel for the LAN events. a lot of them aren't qualified for GSL anyway, so might as well, I guess haha
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On April 09 2013 09:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:31 rename wrote:On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300This better be not GSL distribution. Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ). That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates. KeSPA players are also rumoured to be strongly considering WCS NA
Would be very surprising. And, I heard people like Artosis saying that teams with Korean sponsors had laws against players playing outside of Korea, and that hell would freeze over before such a thing happened. I hope they do, though, because, then, Morhaime's "plan" to encourage lazy non Koreans with jobs and/or school to take the game more seriously will come to fruition.
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On April 09 2013 09:38 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I heard Arthur will go to Europe, is it right ? And are they other korean players from WW coming with him ? I'm ok with 4 koreans amongst 32 players, not so much but a good additional value for the competition. Still I really want they increase the korean prize pool and/or the slot distribution for the global finals.
Arthur and Daisy from what I've heard.
4 invited players from within EU probably include ForGG and Daisy at least.
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Is WCS NA replacing the old MLG tournaments or will MLG still hold tourneys such as the summer championship that will be open to players from all regions?
As long as MLG will still hold their own non-WCS separate tourneys, I like this new format.
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On April 09 2013 09:36 Bagi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 09:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:31 rename wrote:On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300This better be not GSL distribution. Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ). That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates. KeSPA players are also rumoured to be strongly considering WCS NA How does that work with their sponsors and proleague? Also added risk comes from them having to pay their own travel expenses. I always thought that code A ESF players might make the jump, but not Kespa.
The only offline events are on the weekend and KESPA won't be sending over whole teams. Not too mention that PL does have its breaks and it might coalign with the event also consider that if you are only sending over one player per team it will not hurt the team that much during matches. Then you have the joint partnership with MLG.
As for flight costs, you do realize what KESPA is made up of right? I doubt a $5K flight would bankrupt them. It is very possibly and very likely that KESPA would send some players over to compete than ESF teams. ESF teams can hardly afford to pay their players, how are they going to afford flights on the off chance that the team won't break even in investments?
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On April 09 2013 09:43 MaFFGeeK wrote:
Is WCS NA replacing the old MLG tournaments or will MLG still hold tourneys such as the summer championship that will be open to players from all regions?
As long as MLG will still hold their own non-WCS separate tourneys, I like this new format.
there will be weekend MLGs like we are used to, as well as the new WCSNA league
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On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300
So Code A doesn't even get a few hundred $ anymore?
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no pricepool for code a anymore and lower ro 16 ro 32 code S pricepool ? so the rich gets richer and the weaker code s , code a and b players stay poor or loose money  poor kr semi pros, only reasonable for them to participate in WCS NA and EU
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On April 09 2013 09:43 MaFFGeeK wrote:
Is WCS NA replacing the old MLG tournaments or will MLG still hold tourneys such as the summer championship that will be open to players from all regions?
As long as MLG will still hold their own non-WCS separate tourneys, I like this new format.
I'll look for the exact quote but MLG and ESL have stated that their championship series and IEM series respectively, will continue.
Edit:
Source 1: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/57
Source 2: https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=IEM
IEM We're at the @intel HQ planning the next #IEM season. We promise you it will be a great one!
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On April 09 2013 09:43 TeslasPigeon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:36 Bagi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 09:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:31 rename wrote:On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Prize pools
As confirmed by Blizzard representative in a Q&A thread on Sunday, each regional final’s prize pool will be identical: $100,000. The prize purse breakdown WCS Europe is proposing to players can be seen below, although it was noted that it is not final yet.
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300This better be not GSL distribution. Players from Code A up to Ro16 players are short 75657$ of prize money. ( And those none of those players are eligible for the global season finals either ). That kind of distribution would be basically saying .. "time to buy yourself US tickets" to any ESF team that doesnt have multiple CodeS ro4 candidates. KeSPA players are also rumoured to be strongly considering WCS NA How does that work with their sponsors and proleague? Also added risk comes from them having to pay their own travel expenses. I always thought that code A ESF players might make the jump, but not Kespa. The only offline events are on the weekend and KESPA won't be sending over whole teams. Not too mention that PL does have its breaks and it might coalign with the event also consider that if you are only sending over one player per team it will not hurt the team that much during matches. Then you have the joint partnership with MLG. As for flight costs, you do realize what KESPA is made up of right? I doubt a $5K flight would bankrupt them. It is very possibly and very likely that KESPA would send some players over to compete than ESF teams. ESF teams can hardly afford to pay their players, how are they going to afford flights on the off chance that the team won't break even in investments?
quite a few ESF teams are getting stacked now, though. ST, IM, FXO, AZUBU are all pretty well off. Only prime and NSH really come to mind as poor haha
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On April 09 2013 09:44 Killmouse wrote:no pricepool for code a anymore and lower ro 16 ro 32 code S pricepool ? so the richer gets richer and weaker code s , code a and b players stay poor or loose money poor kr semi pros, only reasonable for them to participate in WCS NA and EU
Are there any actual semi-pros in code A anymore?
*as in studies/works/etc
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On April 09 2013 09:45 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:44 Killmouse wrote:no pricepool for code a anymore and lower ro 16 ro 32 code S pricepool ? so the richer gets richer and weaker code s , code a and b players stay poor or loose money poor kr semi pros, only reasonable for them to participate in WCS NA and EU Are there any actual semi-pros in code A anymore? *as in studies/works/etc
Don't think so, I'm sure a lot of them still don't make salaries but all are full time I believe.
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On April 09 2013 09:38 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I heard Arthur will go to Europe, is it right ? And are the other korean players from WW coming with him ? I'm ok with 4 koreans amongst 32 players, not so much but a good additional value for the competition. Still I really want they increase the korean prize pool and/or the slot distribution for the global finals.
Yeah having a small number of koreans in na/eu is definitely good IMO
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On April 09 2013 09:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:38 Boucot wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I heard Arthur will go to Europe, is it right ? And are the other korean players from WW coming with him ? I'm ok with 4 koreans amongst 32 players, not so much but a good additional value for the competition. Still I really want they increase the korean prize pool and/or the slot distribution for the global finals. Yeah having a small number of koreans in na/eu is definitely good IMO
Defiantly and the ones that will make the trip will be beatable. Its when the bracket is stacked 16 deep that the odds are coming out on top are slim. But anyone few that come over well be welcome and good for the entire player base.
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On April 09 2013 09:32 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:28 Shew wrote:Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Anyone know how to notify MLG? No idea I hope they let us know soon. I mean it does sound like the first stage (at least for NA) is going to be pure invitational like every other tournament, but I could (hopefully) am wrong about this.
Uh, to my understanding and from what they've said, the top 32 for NA will be invited/decided upon by which pros that received an email respond. If you've been invited you'll respond to whatever email before that date. The lower leagues for NA/EU will automatically invite the top 200 GM players in the region(aka just the gm list outside korea since they don't have the other divisions like code a etc)
That's my understanding at least. I then assume that everyone in GM will just be notified at whatever point that they're able to play if they so choose to and from there our leagues/placements will be put in motion for the following season once the invited people start dropping out.
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"Thomas Kilian @Khaldor 12h
As it is right now a lot of koreans will participate in foreign #WCS events. All-Korean WCS Global Final incoming?"
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After trying to figure out all of WCS Logistics I have determined one thing and one thing alone.
I am not a smart man.
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Sad that it looks like NA is all invites. Obviously they can't do something super-amazing with such little time, but some invite-only 100-person tournaments with the top 32 getting the spots would be a huge improvement.
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Damn it, it's in cologne and not in Hannover :<
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It just doesn't sit right with me that Koreans can play in NA/EU qualifiers (and visa versa). Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having specific region qualifiers? I hoped the three region qualifiers and tournaments would help build hype within the regions separately, before having them all battle it out in the finals.
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Pretty decent, wouldn't mind taking 5k off the top and sprinkling it down to boost the lesser prizes, it's good though. Still unsure how they decide who finishes 5th, maybe a group for quarterfinal losers or something. Think if someone say makes top 16 then wins an MLG during that season, he should have more points than 5th etc hope they balance the points system well.
Excited to see where everyone ends up and just how many koreans leave the motherland to mess up some foreigners. Interesting times we live in.
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On April 09 2013 09:56 Deadlift wrote:
After trying to figure out all of WCS Logistics I have determined one thing and one thing alone.
I am not a smart man.
It took me 6 months to understand the GSL system, this one is easier. :D
So, what about the recent moves to California (Blizzard/IPL, EG, ROOT) if the offline part of WCS NA is in New York ? Anyway, I'm glad for multiple reasons they do that in NY : it's better for EU viewers and the view from the studio behind the players is awesome. :p
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I'd have liked it a lot if they had just made everyone start from scratch with qualifiers for every league, not inviting people into premier league right away again, let good players work their way up in a new game through skill and not get a headstart due to legacy.
But I guess they are too afraid for their viewership and fear surprising upsets and favourites not making it. Since it all culminates in the big Global Finals pretty soon already they need to give the players who are perceived as the right ones good chances to make it to the big party.
And I fully agree with what Adebisi said about the prize money spread on reddit:
I'm really curious of people's thoughts on this prize pool distribution. Keep in mind getting top 5 will mean you also get to compete with only 11 other players for another $150k at the global season finals, so while earning $35k, you unlock the ability to earn possibly much much more, probably $50k for first at the global season finals.
Basically, lets say you are consistently able to get 10th place, IE, you're the 10th best SC2 player in your respective region, North America, Korea, or Europe, you effectively earn $1,450 per every 3 months.
I don't think its very good :X.
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Few different things I like about it.
1. How they're paying for travel expenses prioritizes NA players
2. Good split for the prize pool
One question though, how does the new West Coast studio come into all this?
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Really awesome format and the fact they have to travel twice to play in this should hopefully deter Koreans not living in their regions long term.
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1st place: $25,000
2nd place. $12,000
3rd/4th place: $7,000
5th place: $4,500 + spot in finals
6th place: $4,500
7th place: $4,000
8th place: $3,500
9th-12th place: $2,000
13th-16th place: $1,600
17th-24th place: $1,200
25th-32nd place: $900
this would be my ideal prize distribution for NA/EU, more padding for the lower-end players so they can sustain themselves
double that for WCSKR and also throw in code A prizing and I'd be happy overall
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On April 09 2013 10:07 StarVe wrote:I'd have liked it a lot if they had just made everyone start from scratch with qualifiers for every league, not inviting people into premier league right away again, let good players work their way up in a new game through skill and not get a headstart due to legacy. But I guess they are too afraid for their viewership and fear surprising upsets and favourites not making it. Since it all culminates in the big Global Finals pretty soon already they need to give the players who are perceived as the right ones good chances to make it to the big party. And I fully agree with what Adebisi said about the prize money spread on reddit: Show nested quote +I'm really curious of people's thoughts on this prize pool distribution. Keep in mind getting top 5 will mean you also get to compete with only 11 other players for another $150k at the global season finals, so while earning $35k, you unlock the ability to earn possibly much much more, probably $50k for first at the global season finals.
Basically, lets say you are consistently able to get 10th place, IE, you're the 10th best SC2 player in your respective region, North America, Korea, or Europe, you effectively earn $1,450 per every 3 months.
I don't think its very good :X.
Prize money isn't a players only source of income though. It's a good bonus and someone to really aim for ($35,000 is a lot of money) but players obviously have their stream and salary from a team too.
I sort of agree that it could/should be less top heavy but it's not that bad and given these tournaments literally weren't there at all last year I don't think we can complain too much.
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On April 09 2013 10:10 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really awesome format and the fact they have to travel twice to play in this should hopefully deter Koreans not living in their regions long term.
Not with that kind of price distribution, and as khaldor has already said tons have already decided on NA/EU
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So is this the offical blizzard announcement they promised? cause it doesnt have detailed information about the qualifiers/code A
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On April 09 2013 10:07 Holdenintherye wrote:
One question though, how does the new West Coast studio come into all this?
They will probably create some content.shows talking about what is happening in each region,highlights of the matches,interviews with the players,things like that.
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On April 09 2013 09:44 Killmouse wrote:so the rich gets richer and the weaker code s , code a and b players stay poor or loose money poor kr semi pros, only reasonable for them to participate in WCS NA and EU
Nah the rich get slightly less richer. The poor get nothing now (before they at least got a decent amount for even being in Code A - $375 for being in Code A Ro48 was decent).
Also poor KR pros too (not just semi-pros). I posted this in another thread but this means (for people living off of tournament earnings or trying to) there is less money for them overall, regardless of how hard they work. It's going to be more top end.
Though I will add that it is sort of due to the poor situation of SC2 in Korea (it isn't even a top 10 game played, even BW is more played than SC2 - the interest in SC2 there is low).
Edit - I wonder if GSL is really doing that well?
Was the prize cuts due to Blizzard forcing GSL to cut it because Blizzard wanted all 3 regions to look "even" (even if they currently aren't)?
Did GSL want to keep the prize money and tournaments (5 GSLs a year) like normal or did Blizzard force them to do it?
I know a lot dislike people bashing Blizzard but this is just some feedback regarding what they are doing. Yes, it's good that Blizzard is doing <x> and <y> but are things like GSL being cut from 5 to 3 (with less money overall) per year a decision they had to make (and again, did GSL want to do more tournaments like normal)?
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On April 09 2013 10:07 StarVe wrote:I'd have liked it a lot if they had just made everyone start from scratch with qualifiers for every league, not inviting people into premier league right away again, let good players work their way up in a new game through skill and not get a headstart due to legacy. But I guess they are too afraid for their viewership and fear surprising upsets and favourites not making it. Since it all culminates in the big Global Finals pretty soon already they need to give the players who are perceived as the right ones good chances to make it to the big party. And I fully agree with what Adebisi said about the prize money spread on reddit: Show nested quote +I'm really curious of people's thoughts on this prize pool distribution. Keep in mind getting top 5 will mean you also get to compete with only 11 other players for another $150k at the global season finals, so while earning $35k, you unlock the ability to earn possibly much much more, probably $50k for first at the global season finals.
Basically, lets say you are consistently able to get 10th place, IE, you're the 10th best SC2 player in your respective region, North America, Korea, or Europe, you effectively earn $1,450 per every 3 months.
I don't think its very good :X.
Yeah, I generally agree on this. The prize distribution doesn't seem that top-heavy when you look at the single tournament distribution. But when you realize that a huge portion of the money goes to the various super-championships that only that top sliver of people qualify for, it gets a lot more top-heavy.
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On April 09 2013 10:12 opterown wrote:
1st place: $25,000
2nd place. $12,000
3rd/4th place: $7,000
5th place: $4,500 + spot in finals
6th place: $4,500
7th place: $4,000
8th place: $3,500
9th-12th place: $2,000
13th-16th place: $1,600
17th-24th place: $1,200
25th-32nd place: $900
this would be my ideal prize distribution for NA/EU, more padding for the lower-end players so they can sustain themselves
double that for WCSKR and also throw in code A prizing and I'd be happy overall
Yeah i agree,this seems better.
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On April 09 2013 10:15 Bonkarooni wrote:
So is this the offical blizzard announcement they promised? cause it doesnt have detailed information about the qualifiers/code A
no, that one is still pending
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On April 09 2013 10:17 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 10:15 Bonkarooni wrote:
So is this the offical blizzard announcement they promised? cause it doesnt have detailed information about the qualifiers/code A no, that one is still pending
So how reliable is any of this? was it leaked?
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On April 09 2013 10:16 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:44 Killmouse wrote:so the rich gets richer and the weaker code s , code a and b players stay poor or loose money poor kr semi pros, only reasonable for them to participate in WCS NA and EU Nah the rich get slightly less richer. The poor get nothing now (before they at least got a decent amount for even being in Code A - $375 for being in Code A Ro48 was decent). Also poor KR pros too (not just semi-pros). I posted this in another thread but this means (for people living off of tournament earnings or trying to) there is less money for them overall, regardless of how hard they work. It's going to be more top end. Though I will add that it is sort of due to the poor situation of SC2 in Korea (it isn't even a top 10 game played, even BW is more played than SC2 - the interest in SC2 there is low). Edit - I wonder if GSL is really doing that well? Was the prize cuts due to Blizzard forcing GSL to cut it because Blizzard wanted all 3 regions to look "even" (even if they currently aren't)? Did GSL want to keep the prize money and tournaments (5 GSLs a year) like normal or did Blizzard force them to do it? I know a lot dislike people bashing Blizzard but this is just some feedback regarding what they are doing. Yes, it's good that Blizzard is doing <x> and <y> but are things like GSL being cut from 5 to 3 (with less money overall) per year a decision they had to make (and again, did GSL want to do more tournaments like normal)?
thats a good point. maybe gsl only expanded in the new studios cause blizzard had the money for them and they knew they would be on tv now.
i really hope gsl would do some extra tourneys for the korean pros but i kinda feel all the extra money (sponsors) will now go to other games they will host in the near future (world of tanks, maybe dota2).
btw i really dislake that^^
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On April 09 2013 10:13 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 10:10 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Really awesome format and the fact they have to travel twice to play in this should hopefully deter Koreans not living in their regions long term. Not with that kind of price distribution, and as khaldor has already said tons have already decided on NA/EU
We will see. Long term Blizzard wont allow it anyway as the entire point of this is too allow foreigners a place to play and improve.
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On April 09 2013 10:28 Bonkarooni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 10:17 opterown wrote:On April 09 2013 10:15 Bonkarooni wrote:
So is this the offical blizzard announcement they promised? cause it doesnt have detailed information about the qualifiers/code A no, that one is still pending So how reliable is any of this? was it leaked?
pretty sure this came from emails that were sent to pro players/teams, it is preliminary but shouldn't change much at all
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The prize distribution was sketched up for WCS EU. Stop whining about the korean format, this isn't the thread to do so.
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On April 09 2013 10:33 Otolia wrote:
The prize distribution was sketched up for WCS EU. Stop whining about the korean format, this isn't the thread to do so.
blizzard did say though that the prize distributions are the same. i really hope it isn't so.
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It would be ideal if GOM kept their own prize pool for GSL and WCS just added onto it, if that's not the case then the overall prize pool of GSL is going to go way down ;/
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On April 09 2013 10:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 10:07 StarVe wrote:I'd have liked it a lot if they had just made everyone start from scratch with qualifiers for every league, not inviting people into premier league right away again, let good players work their way up in a new game through skill and not get a headstart due to legacy. But I guess they are too afraid for their viewership and fear surprising upsets and favourites not making it. Since it all culminates in the big Global Finals pretty soon already they need to give the players who are perceived as the right ones good chances to make it to the big party. And I fully agree with what Adebisi said about the prize money spread on reddit: I'm really curious of people's thoughts on this prize pool distribution. Keep in mind getting top 5 will mean you also get to compete with only 11 other players for another $150k at the global season finals, so while earning $35k, you unlock the ability to earn possibly much much more, probably $50k for first at the global season finals.
Basically, lets say you are consistently able to get 10th place, IE, you're the 10th best SC2 player in your respective region, North America, Korea, or Europe, you effectively earn $1,450 per every 3 months.
I don't think its very good :X. Prize money isn't a players only source of income though. It's a good bonus and someone to really aim for ($35,000 is a lot of money) but players obviously have their stream and salary from a team too. I sort of agree that it could/should be less top heavy but it's not that bad and given these tournaments literally weren't there at all last year I don't think we can complain too much.
Of course it seems kind of dickish to complain about something that's simply added on top of the awesomeness that already exists.
But I think the goal of the regional WCS leagues should be to grow the scene and help build an ecosystem that encourages more players and young talent to focus more on/put more effort into StarCraft because they have a goal that is slightly easier to reach than winning big money in international tournaments, like for example "Get into Challenger League" or later "Get into Premier League". That's not only true for NA/EU but also for Korea, Code A and the good prize pool distribution in GSL in general is an important factor as to why SC2 is still very successful.
Meanwhile the goal of the three Global Season Finals and especially the Blizzcon World Finals should rather be to reward the best players in the world and I'd absolutely be okay with a more top-heavy prize pool here. But I think having a rather top-heavy in the regional leagues defeats the purpose of having this league in the first place, especially since it isn't region-locked.
Let's say six or seven good Koreans decide to play on NA which is not a big number at all and actually quite likely to happen. Since we know what the results are when Koreans play against NA players in their natural habitat, more than 2/3 of the prize pool could then easily go to players who just moved there for a couple of weeks and not go towards strengthening the NA scene at all.
That would still be a cool tournament to watch, but you could have the same results while taking 15-20k away from the first couple of places and spreading it among the lower finishing players.
And what about the people in Challenger League? Is it really that prestigious and worth it to train for this league in particular? Will players really want to make it there as badly as they will need to in order to elevate the skill level in the regional scenes to new levels when they can make the same or more money by playing a couple of ZOTAC Cups?
This only gets amplified by the fact that the top 5 finishing players will have a shot to make even more money (much more) at the Season finals which is very great for them and will probably sustain three or four progamers for a whole year on top of their salary/stream income but it would help immensely to sustain 30 more players if they spread out the money a bit differently without hurting the top player all that much, especially since they are either already good, well-known and on a good team with a good salary or they will get there after finishing top X at WCS.
TL;DR: WCS Regionals should foster growth and help sustain players, WCS Season Finals and Grand Finals should foster brilliance and reward extraordinary talent and training.
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Im not liking the looks of this, notify mlg by april 8th? so how does one qualify or notify MLG.... Dont tell me this big NA thing is some invite only thing that has no impact on competitive NA players and the scene at all =/
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I am kind of glad that some Koreans are coming over to NA otherwise polt would just crush the tournament. Violet could also win if he is in NA.
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On April 09 2013 10:47 Cababel wrote:
I am kind of glad that some Koreans are coming over to NA otherwise polt would just crush the tournament. Violet could also win if he is in NA.
I think Violet is in korea playing GSTL for Azubu... but im sure with how current prize money is distributed - GSTL ( and also proleague) might be willing to take a longer break so their players can bring all that WCS money home.
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I for one also think its a shame GSL is actually getting a DECREASE in prizepool.
Someone make a reddit thread get it upvoted 1500+ to get blizzards attention please
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Sooo, if MGL/WCS Code (U)S is using the double-elim group format, will they implement extended series?
Only half joking about that. I think as long as it's not a bunch of BO1, then it'll be 'acceptable' for the first round.
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On April 09 2013 11:08 lim1017 wrote:
I for one also think its a shame GSL is actually getting a DECREASE in prizepool.
Someone make a reddit thread get it upvoted 1500+ to get blizzards attention please
I can't imagine a single second that GSL prizepool will decrease.
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On April 09 2013 11:08 lim1017 wrote:
I for one also think its a shame GSL is actually getting a DECREASE in prizepool.
Someone make a reddit thread get it upvoted 1500+ to get blizzards attention please
Eh, how is the GSL pricepool Blizzards responsibility?
If we assume that GOM was able to run these tournaments with higher pricepools without the direct help from Blizzard, they should be able to raise the pricepool in this case too - that is, if they feel the need to.
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On April 09 2013 11:19 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 11:08 lim1017 wrote:
I for one also think its a shame GSL is actually getting a DECREASE in prizepool.
Someone make a reddit thread get it upvoted 1500+ to get blizzards attention please I can't imagine a single second that GSL prizepool will decrease.
I don't think people understand that GSL still has the piles of money they've been stockpiling over the past few years. I'm half-joking, but will GSL give out the usual sum plus the WCS amount for the seasons they host?
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I realllllly hope those regionals allow press and audience. They completely crippled the northeast fanbase with those arenas, and I as a journalist would like to be able to attend these.
good format though, i like.
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On April 09 2013 11:22 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 11:08 lim1017 wrote:
I for one also think its a shame GSL is actually getting a DECREASE in prizepool.
Someone make a reddit thread get it upvoted 1500+ to get blizzards attention please Eh, how is the GSL pricepool Blizzards responsibility? If we assume that GOM was able to run these tournaments with higher pricepools without the direct help from Blizzard, they should be able to raise the pricepool in this case too - that is, if they feel the need to.
This. If this is the prizepool that Blizzard is providing, then GOM is giving nothing in rewards? And if GOM wanted to also throw in to the prizepool as well, why would Blizzard stop them? This all doesn't make sense to me. Like the format, though.
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On April 09 2013 11:23 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 11:19 Boucot wrote:On April 09 2013 11:08 lim1017 wrote:
I for one also think its a shame GSL is actually getting a DECREASE in prizepool.
Someone make a reddit thread get it upvoted 1500+ to get blizzards attention please I can't imagine a single second that GSL prizepool will decrease. I don't think people understand that GSL still has the piles of money they've been stockpiling over the past few years. I'm half-joking, but will GSL give out the usual sum plus the WCS amount for the seasons they host?
That's what I believe. And hope.
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Why does everyone assume gsl will prpvidr additional
prize money. Do you guys also think mlg and esl will to??
Although I do personally hope gsl at least does
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On April 09 2013 11:53 lim1017 wrote:
Why does everyone assume gsl will prpvidr additional
prize money. Do you guys also think mlg and esl will to??
Although I do personally hope gsl at least does
Because GSL merged with WCS KR and hypothetically has some money to spare now if Blizzard provides the whole prize pool for WCS KR while MLG and ESL still run their own tournaments besides WCS NA/EU.
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On April 09 2013 12:00 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 11:53 lim1017 wrote:
Why does everyone assume gsl will prpvidr additional
prize money. Do you guys also think mlg and esl will to??
Although I do personally hope gsl at least does Because GSL merged with WCS KR and hypothetically has some money to spare now if Blizzard provides the whole prize pool for WCS KR while MLG and ESL still run their own tournaments besides WCS NA/EU.
you guys forget that gom expands and will host tourneys for other games. i really think blizzard will pay for sc2 and the rest of the money from gom will go into world of tanks and maybe dota2.
its a shame but i guess that will happen.
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If GSL is really getting shafted in terms of prize money, I would be very pissed at Blizzard.
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On April 09 2013 12:03 Acer1791 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:00 StarVe wrote:On April 09 2013 11:53 lim1017 wrote:
Why does everyone assume gsl will prpvidr additional
prize money. Do you guys also think mlg and esl will to??
Although I do personally hope gsl at least does Because GSL merged with WCS KR and hypothetically has some money to spare now if Blizzard provides the whole prize pool for WCS KR while MLG and ESL still run their own tournaments besides WCS NA/EU. you guys forget that gom expands and will host tourneys for other games. i really think blizzard will pay for sc2 and the rest of the money from gom will go into world of tanks and maybe dota2. its a shame but i guess that will happen.
I can guarantee you all the prize money for World of Tanks is coming from the game developer.
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On April 09 2013 09:20 Daogin wrote:
Wow 20k difference from first and 2nd
"We'll take the MLG event prizepool as a base, add 10k to first place, then distribute the rest at the bottom."
Could have been slightly better done I would think
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so..a RO16 NA makes around as much as RO16 code s? that's a joke
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On April 09 2013 12:34 ThomasR wrote:
so..a RO16 NA makes around as much as RO16 code s? that's a joke
Have you not been paying attention? All WCS tournaments are supposed to have approx the same distribution.
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On April 09 2013 12:36 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:34 ThomasR wrote:
so..a RO16 NA makes around as much as RO16 code s? that's a joke Have you not been paying attention? All WCS tournaments are supposed to have approx the same distribution.
i have, and it's a joke
the competition in korea is much tougher than it is in NA/EU...so someone who makes it to Code S RO16, for example, shouldn't make as much money as someone who makes it to RO16 in NA
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How many total people are going to be in the season finals? There's five from NA, but it doesn't mention for EU or KR.
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Any chance some players from SEA or TW (i.e. Moonglade or Sen) will play on NA?
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On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Seriously? 17 minutes from now without a formal announcement from MLG or Blizzard?
I guess no one is competing in WCS NA.
On April 09 2013 12:40 jeeneeus wrote:
How many total people are going to be in the season finals? There's five from NA, but it doesn't mention for EU or KR.
5 NA, 5 EU, 6 KR. Source is from the latest ITG when Artosis spoiled that WCS Season 1 finals are in Korea.
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Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate..
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On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate..
Would like to know the same thing.
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So they are inviting players to the top tier? I guess that was the notify by today? Everyone else has to qualify for challenger division then? Seems like this could have been done better
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On April 09 2013 12:43 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
Seriously? 17 minutes from now without a formal announcement from MLG or Blizzard? I guess no one is competing in WCS NA. Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:40 jeeneeus wrote:
How many total people are going to be in the season finals? There's five from NA, but it doesn't mention for EU or KR. 5 NA, 5 EU, 6 KR. Source is from the latest ITG when Artosis spoiled that WCS Season 1 finals are in Korea.
Therefore probably Season 2 finals in NA and Season 3 finals in EU, because with Blizzcon as the Grand Finals they most likely won't want to hold two events in a row in NA.
On April 09 2013 12:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
So they are inviting players to the top tier? I guess that was the notify by today? Everyone else has to qualify for challenger division then? Seems like this could have been done better
Most things about WCS so far scream "this could have been done better".
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On April 09 2013 12:39 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:36 Zenbrez wrote:On April 09 2013 12:34 ThomasR wrote:
so..a RO16 NA makes around as much as RO16 code s? that's a joke Have you not been paying attention? All WCS tournaments are supposed to have approx the same distribution. i have, and it's a joke the competition in korea is much tougher than it is in NA/EU...so someone who makes it to Code S RO16, for example, shouldn't make as much money as someone who makes it to RO16 in NA
Yeah, I definitely agree. I would even be okay with korea WCS earn twice as much as NA/EU, but that's not going to happen
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On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate..
Me too.... what the fuck? If the first season of WCS is only invited players im going to throw my computer into a wall T_T
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On April 09 2013 12:51 TOdesKaMpF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate.. Me too.... what the fuck? If the first season of WCS is only invited players im going to throw my computer into a wall T_T
this is how I feel...
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On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate..
I have no clue either, but MLG is in charge of NA, so you should probably contact MLG folks like Adam or whoever is responsible for stuff like that.
If it's invite-only I'm going to cry a little.
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On April 09 2013 12:43 flakmonkey wrote:
Any chance some players from SEA or TW (i.e. Moonglade or Sen) will play on NA?
Very high chance, although there is a possibility that Blizzard will help them out in some way considering they won their region's WCS finals last year. I remember reading this in a tweet from a Blizzard eSports / Community rep.
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On April 09 2013 12:52 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate.. I have no clue either, but MLG is in charge of NA, so you should probably contact MLG folks like Adam or whoever is responsible for stuff like that. If it's invite-only I'm going to cry a little.
On April 09 2013 12:52 EGLzGaMeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:51 TOdesKaMpF wrote:On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate.. Me too.... what the fuck? If the first season of WCS is only invited players im going to throw my computer into a wall T_T this is how I feel...
Everyone keeps saying its based off of GM? but i haven't gotten an email yet, so.. getting a little skeptical...
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Any news on WCG? If WCG can't be "revived" this year, then they may as well cease existing. Genuine question. WCS changes at this point seem like a moot point.
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On April 09 2013 12:52 EGLzGaMeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:51 TOdesKaMpF wrote:On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate.. Me too.... what the fuck? If the first season of WCS is only invited players im going to throw my computer into a wall T_T this is how I feel...
Maybe you guys should contact someone from MLG and ask him.
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On April 09 2013 12:52 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate.. I have no clue either, but MLG is in charge of NA, so you should probably contact MLG folks like Adam or whoever is responsible for stuff like that. If it's invite-only I'm going to cry a little.
Isn't that what they basically announced for "Code S" and then qualifiers online for "Code A" or did I misinterpret something horribly?
EDIT: Answer from EG Manager.
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On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300
I don't really like that prize distribution considering what we know so far. I'd much prefer something like:
1st place: $20,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $5,500
6th place: $4,200
7th place: $3,500
8th place: $3,000
9th-12th place: $2,000
13th-16th place: $1,500
17th-24th place: $1000
25th-32nd place: $750
I know $15k is a lot to cut off the top, but I think it's better to spread the wealth around seeing how much WCS has condensed worldwide. For a long time I've though prize pools were way too top heavy. As much a I like rewarding skill, I think rewarding time, money and effort are just as important to promote growth & ensure the people below the top stick around.
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On April 09 2013 13:06 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 12:52 StarVe wrote:On April 09 2013 12:45 EGLzGaMeR wrote:
Who do I contact for this?? I have no idea how to participate.. I have no clue either, but MLG is in charge of NA, so you should probably contact MLG folks like Adam or whoever is responsible for stuff like that. If it's invite-only I'm going to cry a little. Isn't that what they basically announced for "Code S" and then qualifiers online for "Code A" or did I misinterpret something horribly? EDIT: Answer from EG Manager. https://twitter.com/gosutrolling/status/321471778708930560
Wow 24 invites is still fucking stupid but oh well that's how most tournaments are 90% invites with a small portion of qualifiers. If koreans really do play in NA/EU wcs I bet koreans take those  .
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On April 09 2013 13:11 UHF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
1st place: $35,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $4,000
6th place: $3,500
7th place: $3,000
8th place: $2,500
9th-12th place: $1,450
13th-16th place: $1,000
17th-24th place: $500
25th-32nd place: $300 I don't really like that prize distribution considering what we know so far. I'd much prefer something like: 1st place: $20,000 2nd place. $15,000 3rd/4th place: $8,000 5th place: $5,500 6th place: $4,200 7th place: $3,500 8th place: $3,000 9th-12th place: $2,000 13th-16th place: $1,500 17th-24th place: $1000 25th-32nd place: $750 I know $15k is a lot to cut off the top, but I think it's better to spread the wealth around seeing how much WCS has condensed worldwide. For a long time I've though prize pools were way too top heavy. As much a I like rewarding skill, I think rewarding time, money and effort are just as important to promote growth & ensure the people below the top stick around.
I agree, especially considering the top 5 go to the season finals and get to play in a 16 man tournament with a $100,000 prize pool right after the regional finals. They really don't need the prize pool to be top heavy for that reason.
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Yeah nice to see NYC finally getting some love .
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Format is good.
MLG will only be covering travel expenses for players living in the Americas. However, if a player first travels to any city in the United States, MLG will then pay for their flight to the MLG studio from that U.S. city.
This is very good.
Ro8 should be played over at least a week (Ro8 Saturday/Sunday, Ro4 Wednesday, Finals Saturday), not everything over one weekend. Quality of games will suffer and it will further encourage more non-superstar Koreans (who are not based in EU/NA) to participate.
If GOM is not adding anything to the price pool, it's pretty ugly move from them. If they want to, but Blizzard doesn't allow them, it's pretty fucking awful decision.
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Im liking the prize distribution, spread out among a lot of players
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That's pretty good,i love the creation of an european code s / code a,moreover if blizzard takes all the travel fees,its pretty good for players/team.
Also imo the only legit korean for eu league are :
Real (because he live in europe and in a eur team)
Daisy (same)
ForGG (lives in France & eu team )
Pro7ect (european citizen)
Arthur & Sting (eu team )
+1 or 2 (just like foreigners seed in GSL )
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Initial EU and NA Premier League lineup can be nothing else than invites tbh for first season.
Let me guess, would have at least the top16 from last years continental finals plus notable tournament winners from the regions.
Only from a season 2 and 3 forward we can see the new blood and HoTs up n commers to have worked their way into the top leagues.
Sorry to say but thats the way one has to do it - if they would hold completetely open qualifiers then they could not hold a season 1 within the proposed timelines.
I'm quite sure that would have been the initial plan but probably the negotiating parties involved took a wee bit longer than was planned.
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On April 09 2013 15:09 TumNarDok wrote:
Initial EU and NA Premier League lineup can be nothing else than invites tbh for first season.
Let me guess, would have at least the top16 from last years continental finals plus notable tournament winners from the regions.
Only from a season 2 and 3 forward we can see the new blood and HoTs up n commers to have worked their way into the top leagues.
Sorry to say but thats the way one has to do it - if they would hold completetely open qualifiers then they could not hold a season 1 within the proposed timelines.
I'm quite sure that would have been the initial plan but probably the negotiating parties involved took a wee bit longer than was planned.
and sadly thats makes 0 open major tournaments in NA for a good part of 2013... I got burned planning MLG dallas stuff, then IPL6 cancelled on top of that. WCS going invite only, seriously what was the point to practicing so much, if there is never a place to show it... Or continue practicing for that matter, Havent lost a map in a live event since MLG raleigh last year, won several small/medium lans since then without dropping a single map, and here im left with everything looking up to the big events with my smaller events achievements, the funds to travel and boom nothing... Literally nothing to travel to, nothing to play in, Its really demotivating as a player getting the notable NA players on ladder, winning or losing and knowing with the right amount of work i could do something. as the invites are probably going to those players, yet there are 0 opportunities to do so.
And it doesnt take that long to run a qualifier, especially when your cutting it down to 32 players, could have been done in two days with a fair cutoff, such as master on NA. Instead sadly I get to just be grumpy and go yep, this was supposed to be good for NA, not feeling it... And on top of this, I dont even know where the koreans choosing regions fits into this. For all i know they could have invited 20 koreans to the invite list.
competition has always been in my blood, I thrive on competition and this whole situation lately makes me really disappointed in blizzard, esports, and competition... I dont see how more NA invite only tournaments solve anything... When its only dying to me...
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That's some nice money in that prize pool :D
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Disappointed that it's nearly all invites...but if there's a few qualifier spots I guess that's ok.
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Is it just me, or has blizzard still refrained from telling any of the players substantial information about what and where to go for qualifiers to tournaments, and who will be in them, how to join, how good you have to be to join, etc...
The lack of info is infuriating
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Weren't Kespa tournaments always low in prize money and most of the time not even mentioned? And now everyone is freaking out about it. The big money is/should always be sponsorship money.
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Have to piss and moan again but ...
Hate the locales for the matches. UGHHHH @ Cologne, Germany crowds. NYC great backdrop but never any crowd. I know I am getting my epic crowd later but wish the venues were better anyway. =/
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I am getting chills, EG;TL for winning streak that gets them into playoffs and ESPN 30 for 30!
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On April 09 2013 15:24 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 15:09 TumNarDok wrote:
Initial EU and NA Premier League lineup can be nothing else than invites tbh for first season.
Let me guess, would have at least the top16 from last years continental finals plus notable tournament winners from the regions.
Only from a season 2 and 3 forward we can see the new blood and HoTs up n commers to have worked their way into the top leagues.
Sorry to say but thats the way one has to do it - if they would hold completetely open qualifiers then they could not hold a season 1 within the proposed timelines.
I'm quite sure that would have been the initial plan but probably the negotiating parties involved took a wee bit longer than was planned.
and sadly thats makes 0 open major tournaments in NA for a good part of 2013... I got burned planning MLG dallas stuff, then IPL6 cancelled on top of that. WCS going invite only, seriously what was the point to practicing so much, if there is never a place to show it... Or continue practicing for that matter, Havent lost a map in a live event since MLG raleigh last year, won several small/medium lans since then without dropping a single map, and here im left with everything looking up to the big events with my smaller events achievements, the funds to travel and boom nothing... Literally nothing to travel to, nothing to play in, Its really demotivating as a player getting the notable NA players on ladder, winning or losing and knowing with the right amount of work i could do something. as the invites are probably going to those players, yet there are 0 opportunities to do so. And it doesnt take that long to run a qualifier, especially when your cutting it down to 32 players, could have been done in two days with a fair cutoff, such as master on NA. Instead sadly I get to just be grumpy and go yep, this was supposed to be good for NA, not feeling it... And on top of this, I dont even know where the koreans choosing regions fits into this. For all i know they could have invited 20 koreans to the invite list. competition has always been in my blood, I thrive on competition and this whole situation lately makes me really disappointed in blizzard, esports, and competition... I dont see how more NA invite only tournaments solve anything... When its only dying to me...
In EU there are 24 invited players, and 8 players through open qualifiers, are MLG not doing the same?
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KR-EU lag is finally gonna do something good for Europeans. 
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On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
But this is posted on the 9th of April? Blizzard leaving it a bit late yeah?
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If you are in a pool of 32 best players in a region of a blizzard game you should get more than 300$ in official blizzard league. Its just not something you can show off with. 1st place doesn't need 35k, give more to lower players, support the scene.
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On April 09 2013 16:32 th3rogue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 15:24 KiF1rE wrote:On April 09 2013 15:09 TumNarDok wrote:
Initial EU and NA Premier League lineup can be nothing else than invites tbh for first season.
Let me guess, would have at least the top16 from last years continental finals plus notable tournament winners from the regions.
Only from a season 2 and 3 forward we can see the new blood and HoTs up n commers to have worked their way into the top leagues.
Sorry to say but thats the way one has to do it - if they would hold completetely open qualifiers then they could not hold a season 1 within the proposed timelines.
I'm quite sure that would have been the initial plan but probably the negotiating parties involved took a wee bit longer than was planned.
and sadly thats makes 0 open major tournaments in NA for a good part of 2013... I got burned planning MLG dallas stuff, then IPL6 cancelled on top of that. WCS going invite only, seriously what was the point to practicing so much, if there is never a place to show it... Or continue practicing for that matter, Havent lost a map in a live event since MLG raleigh last year, won several small/medium lans since then without dropping a single map, and here im left with everything looking up to the big events with my smaller events achievements, the funds to travel and boom nothing... Literally nothing to travel to, nothing to play in, Its really demotivating as a player getting the notable NA players on ladder, winning or losing and knowing with the right amount of work i could do something. as the invites are probably going to those players, yet there are 0 opportunities to do so. And it doesnt take that long to run a qualifier, especially when your cutting it down to 32 players, could have been done in two days with a fair cutoff, such as master on NA. Instead sadly I get to just be grumpy and go yep, this was supposed to be good for NA, not feeling it... And on top of this, I dont even know where the koreans choosing regions fits into this. For all i know they could have invited 20 koreans to the invite list. competition has always been in my blood, I thrive on competition and this whole situation lately makes me really disappointed in blizzard, esports, and competition... I dont see how more NA invite only tournaments solve anything... When its only dying to me... In EU there are 24 invited players, and 8 players through open qualifiers, are MLG not doing the same?
The 8 "open" qualifiers are actually invite only qualifiers. It's fucking retarded but I am not surprised by this anymore.
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Invites... Last time I saw so many invites in a to be open league, it was the first season of NASL and we all knew how that turned out... <.<
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On April 09 2013 16:59 flakmonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:07 opterown wrote:
Players must notify MLG their intent to participate in the America region by end of day on April 8th.
But this is posted on the 9th of April? Blizzard leaving it a bit late yeah?
In EU at least, the invited players have been being contacted for the past few days.
On April 09 2013 17:09 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 16:32 th3rogue wrote:On April 09 2013 15:24 KiF1rE wrote:On April 09 2013 15:09 TumNarDok wrote:
Initial EU and NA Premier League lineup can be nothing else than invites tbh for first season.
Let me guess, would have at least the top16 from last years continental finals plus notable tournament winners from the regions.
Only from a season 2 and 3 forward we can see the new blood and HoTs up n commers to have worked their way into the top leagues.
Sorry to say but thats the way one has to do it - if they would hold completetely open qualifiers then they could not hold a season 1 within the proposed timelines.
I'm quite sure that would have been the initial plan but probably the negotiating parties involved took a wee bit longer than was planned.
and sadly thats makes 0 open major tournaments in NA for a good part of 2013... I got burned planning MLG dallas stuff, then IPL6 cancelled on top of that. WCS going invite only, seriously what was the point to practicing so much, if there is never a place to show it... Or continue practicing for that matter, Havent lost a map in a live event since MLG raleigh last year, won several small/medium lans since then without dropping a single map, and here im left with everything looking up to the big events with my smaller events achievements, the funds to travel and boom nothing... Literally nothing to travel to, nothing to play in, Its really demotivating as a player getting the notable NA players on ladder, winning or losing and knowing with the right amount of work i could do something. as the invites are probably going to those players, yet there are 0 opportunities to do so. And it doesnt take that long to run a qualifier, especially when your cutting it down to 32 players, could have been done in two days with a fair cutoff, such as master on NA. Instead sadly I get to just be grumpy and go yep, this was supposed to be good for NA, not feeling it... And on top of this, I dont even know where the koreans choosing regions fits into this. For all i know they could have invited 20 koreans to the invite list. competition has always been in my blood, I thrive on competition and this whole situation lately makes me really disappointed in blizzard, esports, and competition... I dont see how more NA invite only tournaments solve anything... When its only dying to me... In EU there are 24 invited players, and 8 players through open qualifiers, are MLG not doing the same? The 8 "open" qualifiers are actually invite only qualifiers. It's fucking retarded but I am used to seeing it in 99.9% of tournaments now of days.
Ah, I'm sorry, in EU our qualifiers are planned to be completely open. You're welcome to join !
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On April 09 2013 17:00 Baptista wrote:
If you are in a pool of 32 best players in a region of a blizzard game you should get more than 300$ in official blizzard league. Its just not something you can show off with. 1st place doesn't need 35k, give more to lower players, support the scene.
Agreed. Anyone good enough to finish first isn't going to be struggling with earning enough from SC. But, if it's largely invites that didn't really have to do anything in HotS to be guaranteed money, then I can see this structure. I'd just hope there would be adjustments in the future.
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On April 09 2013 09:20 ffadicted wrote:
IMO the price pool and format is fine for europe, but it's an absolute disgrace that the prize pool and point distribution for GSL is the same. They're essentially ruining the prestige behind GSL (which will remain the hardest tournament to win, let's not kid ourselves, the seasonal finals will the the "Club World Cup" equivalent to GSL's "Champions League", aka kind of a fun but not serious league) just so that they can make foreigners happy to see their favorite but extremely less skilled players win games.
I don't see any insentive for koreans to stay in korea tbh. None whatsoever. And CERTAINLY no incentive for foreigners to ever go there to practice and get better and close the gap between skill level.
I'm very disappointed at WCS. Extremely disappointed.
Though I like the thought behind WCS this is just true. By creating equal prizes etc. the korean scene get's slightly ruined because it will be diluted. GSL was great because it was just the best of the best, now I fear all code A/B players that can manage it will just go to NA. For example MVP, why would he not just try it in NA, given his fame it is probably more attractive for his sponsors as well.
And for offline events they just need to sponsor a ticket to LA (or Hawaii?) and MLG will pay the rest of the flight in america...
We get 3 good leagues instead of 1 super league it seems and I expect seasonal finals to be 8-10ish koreans anyway, because some will qualify overseas.
European players should rejoice though I guess, awesome price pool and it's much more unlikely koreans will try to participate over there. You could almost start to wonder if american people might be tempted to go EU if NA get's too dominated by koreans
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On April 09 2013 17:11 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 17:00 Baptista wrote:
If you are in a pool of 32 best players in a region of a blizzard game you should get more than 300$ in official blizzard league. Its just not something you can show off with. 1st place doesn't need 35k, give more to lower players, support the scene. Agreed. Anyone good enough to finish first isn't going to be struggling with earning enough from SC. But, if it's largely invites that didn't really have to do anything in HotS to be guaranteed money, then I can see this structure. I'd just hope there would be adjustments in the future.
Well advancing one round already guarantees you 1000 Euro and even if you are thrown out of the tournament in the first round, you still have a chance to play the consolidations for 500 Euro, so I don't think it's that bad. The only people who finish with 300 Euro are the ones who were eliminated the first round and didn't make the 50% cut in the consolidation bracket.
It does kind of suck that Code A has absolutely no price at all, though admitedly it is hard to balance the prize money distribution for code S and code A. Do the last places of Code S gets more money than the first finishers of code A? That would make sense but wouldn't this be kind of weird...?
edit: Nvm, actually the best way to distribute the prize pool between Code S and Code A would be according to when the player is eliminated. So if a Code S player drops to Code A and get eliminated right away, he/she will get less than somebody who started with code A and fought till code S.
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On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify
Seriously this is turning out to be the worst way to do it, if 4+ koreans enter into the other regionals. The "best games only" fans will only be getting code a or b players in the other regions, instead of the actual best of the best code s players who will be stuck in korea, and the home team fans still have no shot at seeing one of their own win even the regionals, and the foreign pros still don't get to have their finals to practice for and use to launch their career.
Either give me regionals or give me best of the best, don't do this dumb in between thing that doesn't help anyone. I'm personally completely for regionals, but if it's going to still be "lol koreans win everything everywhere" I'd rather it'd at least be the best koreans.
Well, who knows, maybe korean low code a/code b will actually be manageable by the foreigners, and will actually provide the perfect stepping stone to competitiveness, but that's quite the risk to take.
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On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify
I can think of three "European Koreans":
Daisy
ForGG
ReaL
And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...)/edit: And they are tied into GSL anyways.
Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho.
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On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho.
Don't forget Sting, he finished as second place in the ESET UK Masters and is on a foreign team.
edit: here a link to the major tournaments, I'd say any European player you see mentioned there in a tournament over the course of last year is a top contender for being invited (last year might be too long, but really everybody mentioned in a tournament that long ago is still performing well up to this date):
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments
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Ah, right! That might be why a WW manager mentioned it. Would be awesome to see him here.
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20k difference between the winner and runner-up is huge, otherwise it sounds good.
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On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho.
Real has had some reasonable LAN finishes.
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On April 09 2013 18:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
20k difference between the winner and runner-up is huge, otherwise it sounds good.
What also has to factor in to the price pool is a seed to a season finals. That probably also has guaranteed money.
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Daisy went back to Korea in March, afaik.
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I always figured it would be invite only meh. Open bracket days truly are gone!
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On April 09 2013 18:08 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho. Don't forget Sting, he finished as second place in the ESET UK Masters and is on a foreign team. edit: here a link to the major tournaments, I'd say any European player you see mentioned there in a tournament over the course of last year is a top contender for being invited (last year might be too long, but really everybody mentioned in a tournament that long ago is still performing well up to this date): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments
Well ForGG would definitely be invited as he's living in France. ReaL might be too, since he's living in Germany but he hasn't been seen much at all recently - he hasn't even been playing for Alien Invasion in the team leagues for some reason. Daisy, Sting and Arthur are all living in Korea, so unless there are plans for them to move to Europe they probably wouldn't be ESL's first choice, though there isn't much reason for them to stay in Korea if they want to play in WCS Europe. Perhaps Western Wolves can arrange a partnership with a team house in Europe for them to be living there (Millenium, Alien Invasion, ESC etc).
There was also a pretty good Code B player called Sickness playing in Italy, he was tearing up the European ladder, at least till like January.
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On April 09 2013 18:26 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho. Don't forget Sting, he finished as second place in the ESET UK Masters and is on a foreign team. edit: here a link to the major tournaments, I'd say any European player you see mentioned there in a tournament over the course of last year is a top contender for being invited (last year might be too long, but really everybody mentioned in a tournament that long ago is still performing well up to this date): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments Well ForGG would definitely be invited as he's living in France. ReaL might be too, since he's living in Germany but he hasn't been seen much at all recently - he hasn't even been playing for Alien Invasion in the team leagues for some reason. Daisy, Sting and Arthur are all living in Korea, so unless there are plans for them to move to Europe they probably wouldn't be ESL's first choice, though there isn't much reason for them to stay in Korea if they want to play in WCS Europe. Perhaps Western Wolves can arrange a partnership with a team house in Europe for them to be living there (Millenium, Alien Invasion, ESC etc). There was also a pretty good Code B player called Sickness playing in Italy, he was tearing up the European ladder, at least till like January.
Well, ReaL is also in Korea right now, though I hope he'll be back soon.
As for Daisy and Sting, I hope the WW manager can work something out should both decide to move to Europe (hoping for Germany!).
Also according to the prelimenary info, the seeds are decided by tournament results. So I don't think we'll see Sickness invited. But I hope he'll definitely take a shot at one of the many qualifiers!
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I like the format, especially because the number of invited players is so high, this keeps koreans out from regional tournaments, unless they find a team that pays the trip.
If I watch a european regional I want to watch european players, not koreans who did not make it in GSL.
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On April 09 2013 18:26 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho. Don't forget Sting, he finished as second place in the ESET UK Masters and is on a foreign team. edit: here a link to the major tournaments, I'd say any European player you see mentioned there in a tournament over the course of last year is a top contender for being invited (last year might be too long, but really everybody mentioned in a tournament that long ago is still performing well up to this date): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments Well ForGG would definitely be invited as he's living in France. ReaL might be too, since he's living in Germany but he hasn't been seen much at all recently - he hasn't even been playing for Alien Invasion in the team leagues for some reason. Daisy, Sting and Arthur are all living in Korea, so unless there are plans for them to move to Europe they probably wouldn't be ESL's first choice, though there isn't much reason for them to stay in Korea if they want to play in WCS Europe. Perhaps Western Wolves can arrange a partnership with a team house in Europe for them to be living there (Millenium, Alien Invasion, ESC etc). There was also a pretty good Code B player called Sickness playing in Italy, he was tearing up the European ladder, at least till like January.
ForGG will be i'm sure, ReaL retired from SC2 and lives in Korea, has done for a while. Sting is playing Code A qualifiers tomorow, and neither Daisy nor Arthur were invited, but both will play the online qualifiers for EU.
From what i've heard, ForGG, plus 3 Code S level Koreans will be the invites, but please don't quote me, most of this is just hearsay from my players
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On April 09 2013 20:23 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 18:26 mikkmagro wrote:On April 09 2013 18:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho. Don't forget Sting, he finished as second place in the ESET UK Masters and is on a foreign team. edit: here a link to the major tournaments, I'd say any European player you see mentioned there in a tournament over the course of last year is a top contender for being invited (last year might be too long, but really everybody mentioned in a tournament that long ago is still performing well up to this date): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments Well ForGG would definitely be invited as he's living in France. ReaL might be too, since he's living in Germany but he hasn't been seen much at all recently - he hasn't even been playing for Alien Invasion in the team leagues for some reason. Daisy, Sting and Arthur are all living in Korea, so unless there are plans for them to move to Europe they probably wouldn't be ESL's first choice, though there isn't much reason for them to stay in Korea if they want to play in WCS Europe. Perhaps Western Wolves can arrange a partnership with a team house in Europe for them to be living there (Millenium, Alien Invasion, ESC etc). There was also a pretty good Code B player called Sickness playing in Italy, he was tearing up the European ladder, at least till like January. ForGG will be i'm sure, ReaL retired from SC2 and lives in Korea, has done for a while. Sting is playing Code A qualifiers tomorow, and neither Daisy nor Arthur were invited, but both will play the online qualifiers for EU. From what i've heard, ForGG, plus 3 Code S level Koreans will be the invites, but please don't quote me, most of this is just hearsay from my players
Time for rampant speculation until the reveal :D :D Mvp going to Europe!!!!
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On April 09 2013 20:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 20:23 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 18:26 mikkmagro wrote:On April 09 2013 18:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 09 2013 18:02 SinCitta wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Tidus Mino wrote:On April 09 2013 09:21 Laryleprakon wrote:On April 09 2013 09:17 opterown wrote:Adam Apicella @MrAdamAp 2hThe NA and EU SC2 premiere leagues are pretty amazing pending final acceptances. Can't wait to announce them They probably have a good idea already. Any bets on which Koreans going where? haha It will be interesting to see how they seed Koreans into NA/EU divisions. Kaldor tweeted last night that a lot of Koreans were going to play NA if I remember correctly. afaik EU has 4 invited Koreans, then a couple more trying to qualify I can think of three "European Koreans": Daisy ForGG ReaL And I'm not sure if ReaL has collected enough achievements to get invited. There are Koreans that did well in European events but haven't shown any indication yet that they want to participate in WCS EU (MC, Yoda, ...). Then, there are a ton of good Koreans that are good but haven't had any good showings in Europe. Or that are merely part of an EU team. These shouldn't get invites to EU but should have to qualify imho. Don't forget Sting, he finished as second place in the ESET UK Masters and is on a foreign team. edit: here a link to the major tournaments, I'd say any European player you see mentioned there in a tournament over the course of last year is a top contender for being invited (last year might be too long, but really everybody mentioned in a tournament that long ago is still performing well up to this date): http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments Well ForGG would definitely be invited as he's living in France. ReaL might be too, since he's living in Germany but he hasn't been seen much at all recently - he hasn't even been playing for Alien Invasion in the team leagues for some reason. Daisy, Sting and Arthur are all living in Korea, so unless there are plans for them to move to Europe they probably wouldn't be ESL's first choice, though there isn't much reason for them to stay in Korea if they want to play in WCS Europe. Perhaps Western Wolves can arrange a partnership with a team house in Europe for them to be living there (Millenium, Alien Invasion, ESC etc). There was also a pretty good Code B player called Sickness playing in Italy, he was tearing up the European ladder, at least till like January. ForGG will be i'm sure, ReaL retired from SC2 and lives in Korea, has done for a while. Sting is playing Code A qualifiers tomorow, and neither Daisy nor Arthur were invited, but both will play the online qualifiers for EU. From what i've heard, ForGG, plus 3 Code S level Koreans will be the invites, but please don't quote me, most of this is just hearsay from my players Time for rampant speculation until the reveal :D :D Mvp going to Europe!!!!
It will be fun to see which Koreans don't try out for Code A tomorrow ^_^
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The more I think about the prize pool distribution and the more I think it'd have been better to spread them more. The champion doesn't need 35k as he participates in the finals which guarantees to him a lot of money.
The suggestion from UHF is very good :
On April 09 2013 13:11 UHF wrote:
1st place: $20,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $5,500
6th place: $4,200
7th place: $3,500
8th place: $3,000
9th-12th place: $2,000
13th-16th place: $1,500
17th-24th place: $1000
25th-32nd place: $750
And I'd have preferred 16 invites and 16 qualified players. 24 invites are a bit too much.
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On April 09 2013 18:23 StarStruck wrote:
I always figured it would be invite only meh. Open bracket days truly are gone!
Until next season. Seriously, I would rather they do invites now and get the ball rolling. The challenger matches are going to be a blast because of it. Invites vs Qualified players will be worth watching.
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On April 10 2013 00:44 Boucot wrote:The more I think about the prize pool distribution and the more I think it'd have been better to spread them more. The champion doesn't need 35k as he participates in the finals which guarantees to him a lot of money. The suggestion from UHF is very good : Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 13:11 UHF wrote:
1st place: $20,000
2nd place. $15,000
3rd/4th place: $8,000
5th place: $5,500
6th place: $4,200
7th place: $3,500
8th place: $3,000
9th-12th place: $2,000
13th-16th place: $1,500
17th-24th place: $1000
25th-32nd place: $750 And I'd have preferred 16 invites and 16 qualified players. 24 invites are a bit too much.
Eh, still way too top-heavy for me, the top players get qualified for a shot at an even bigger prize-pool and are mostlikely automatically qualified for the next regional as well, assuming Blizzard apes GSL's format.
1600 - 2000$ for the bottom placements and 9 - 10000$ for the winner is far preferable IMO, and doable with a 100000$ budget, let the global finals have enormous top-finish payouts instead.
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I think this whole WCS thing is very unfortunate. It limits the player and makes all the tournament formats the same. I think the difference in format that existed between all the different tournament hosts to be good for variety. Blizzard really shouldn't done anything more than to just help all the tournaments avoid schedule conflict.
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