EPTWCS 2013 Announced - April 3rd - Page 108
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17976 Posts
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:16 zefreak wrote: After sleeping on it, the only thing I dislike about this announcement is that GSL and OSL are the korean qualifiers. These are top events and should not be exclusive to a certain region. The korean qualifiers should just be another tournament on top of them, IMO. The last WCS was sort of like the WSOP main event. Huge prize pool but filled with low talent and nobody really thinks the first place finisher is the best in the world. To potentially undermine the GSL and OSL in order to make the WCS even bigger.. I feel it is a huge mistake. With this system through the finals of WCS will be more reliant on performance and could be in theory be all or mostly Korean. I feel fairly sure that it will feel legit. Also the Grand finals will be at Blizzcon. That was add aswell. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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MarineFTW
42 Posts
On April 04 2013 01:47 Kylo55 wrote: Well honestly if playing in GSL excludes you from WCS EU/NA, then i belive that there wont be so many koreans at the Grand Finals. I cant imagine any of MVP, MC, Life, Flash, DRG, Leenock, Parting, Rain etc. to NOT play in GSL and only 5 of those will be able to play in WCS GF. So it will be either only 5/6 koreans (host country maybe) or it will be 5 top koreans and 10 koreans who nobody ever heard about that was suddenly better that top EU/NA players. This rules may actually make LESS koreans in the main event. You don't need to be MVP/MC/Life/Flash/... to qualify for the finals from EU/NA. We still might see 16 Koreans (or more likely 14-15). But those 16 Koreans won't be 16 best Koreans skill-wise. And we will end up with an all-Korean "Grand Finals" that are inferior to WCS Korea (GSL/OSL) by skill. All KeSPA team players are contracted and will obviously stay in KR. Most of the top eSF players will likely stay in GSL. Maybe few well-known players that are currently outside of code S will switch to EU/NA. Korean players on foreign SPL/GSTL teams (EG-TL, Axiom-Acer) will likely consider the switch more seriously, someone will stay, someone might switch. Koreans on other foreign teams will most likely all play in NA/EU. So Koreans qualifying from NA/EU will likely be not only players of Polt / Violet / Hyun / HerO level, but also very well may be players like Sting / Yugioh / Sage / TheSTC / Center, who are good, but not anywhere near World's Top16 level. | ||
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serojja
Ukraine90 Posts
[...] Players must commit to one WCS league at the beginning of the year and cannot change region after, but can compete in any non-WCS events in any region. Each regional league season will run for 8-10 weeks, with all games played on weekdays in a consistent schedule. This will allow players to travel internationally to non-WCS events on weekends. Non-WCS events cannot run events on the same weekend as WCS events. Non-WCS events will be given as of yet undetermined amount of points. Does it mean that if Flash plays in upcoming GSL Code S he is commiting to one of WCS league (Korean) and therefore cannot compete in MLG as it is another WCS league from now (NA)? | ||
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vesicular
United States1311 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:29 serojja wrote: Does it mean that if Flash plays in upcoming GSL Code S he is commiting to one of WCS league (Korean) and therefore cannot compete in MLG as it is another WCS league from now (NA)? MLG's weekend events (ala Anaheim) are not WCS events. MLG is just running NA WCS which is a separate thing altogether. Flash et al can still play and compete in MLG Anaheim. However anyone who qualifies for GSL or OSL is locked to korea for WCS, yes. If you lock to NA or EU, you basically cannot compete in GSL or OSL for the year. | ||
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serojja
Ukraine90 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:31 vesicular wrote: MLG's weekend events (ala Anaheim) are not WCS events. MLG is just running NA WCS which is a separate thing altogether. Flash et al can still play and compete in MLG Anaheim. Ah, now I see. Thanks a lot! Hurray Flash at MLG! | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:31 vesicular wrote: MLG's weekend events (ala Anaheim) are not WCS events. MLG is just running NA WCS which is a separate thing altogether. Flash et al can still play and compete in MLG Anaheim. Why don't they do this for Korea too? They are really screwing over korean players by forcing them if they want to play GSL/OSL at all | ||
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tozi
United States506 Posts
there will be code s, code a, AND up and downs for NA/EU/KR ? That's a lot of spots, no? | ||
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zajeBEASTY
Poland40 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
GSL has been the holy grail of SC2 for me, I think it's dangerous to mess with the most prestigious league. I can see why they would do that - if they didn't do anything, a GSL champion would always be considered more worthy than a WCS champion. But still, I'm somewhat skeptical. Also: did they say anything what happens to GSL yearly ticket holders...? I assume we get VODs of both GSL and OSL, but still, with free 720p and strictly speaking only 3 GSLs this is not exactly what I signed up for... | ||
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Kylo55
Poland64 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:25 MarineFTW wrote: You don't need to be MVP/MC/Life/Flash/... to qualify for the finals from EU/NA. We still might see 16 Koreans (or more likely 14-15). But those 16 Koreans won't be 16 best Koreans skill-wise. And we will end up with an all-Korean "Grand Finals" that are inferior to WCS Korea (GSL/OSL) by skill. All KeSPA team players are contracted and will obviously stay in KR. Most of the top eSF players will likely stay in GSL. Maybe few well-known players that are currently outside of code S will switch to EU/NA. Korean players on foreign SPL/GSTL teams (EG-TL, Axiom-Acer) will likely consider the switch more seriously, someone will stay, someone might switch. Koreans on other foreign teams will most likely all play in NA/EU. So Koreans qualifying from NA/EU will likely be not only players of Polt / Violet / Hyun / HerO level, but also very well may be players like Sting / Yugioh / Sage / TheSTC / Center, who are good, but not anywhere near World's Top16 level. Well thats exactly what i said. | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
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eMGmoG
Switzerland244 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 03:16 zefreak wrote: After sleeping on it, the only thing I dislike about this announcement is that GSL and OSL are the korean qualifiers. These are top events and should not be exclusive to a certain region. The korean qualifiers should just be another tournament on top of them, IMO. The last WCS was sort of like the WSOP main event. Huge prize pool but filled with low talent and nobody really thinks the first place finisher is the best in the world. To potentially undermine the GSL and OSL in order to make the WCS even bigger.. I feel it is a huge mistake. That would be too over saturated in terms of content. I am super hyped for GSL tomorrow and was for MLG a few weeks ago because there's a bit less content right now. That's a good thing, titles and tournament wins didn't mean anything in 2012 because we had a LAN every second week as well as GSL/Pro League/GSTL/NASL running constantly. The consolidation of the scene that this will bring is a really good thing. I remember last year there was a time when Korea had OSL, GSL, WCS Korea, WCG Korea, Pro League and GSTL all running simutaneously. That is not a good thing. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:01 eMGmoG wrote: so it will be harder to win a regional wcs (korea) than to win the global finals. That's the problem with having the same number of people qualifying from each region. Imagine if the World Cup would do that, the USA and Mexico would laugh their way to free money and exposure and European teams would have a harder time at the qualifiers than at the actual event. | ||
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herMan
Japan2057 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:00 Xahhk wrote: Interesting to see where the Koreans go. THe first thought would be to go to EU and NA, but then if everyone knows that people will go there, some will also stay in Korea anticipating the exodus. But then there will be people who will expect the stay in korea strategy and so on and so forth. The thing is that they have to commit to playing NA all year in all three (four in 2014) seasons and they have to get the funding the go to the offline part of the tournament for all three seasons because they can't change mid way through. That's just such a major commitment and if they commit to it in January what happens if their funding to attend the offline portion of it falls through in April? I could certainly see player relocating to California or Germany for the year to do it and joining a foreign team as well, just like Sage, Polt, Violet, Daisy, Real etc.. have already done. I've no issue with that because they're then playing the ladder, training with their NA/EU teammates and contributing to the scene. I don't really see a guy like say Yoda living in Korea, staying on IM but committing to playing an entire year of NA WCS on 200-300ms and missing out on every single GSL/OSL, plus potentially missing some key GSTL games, as well as praying that IM continue to be able to afford to send him to California four times a year. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:12 herMan wrote: When is there going to be a liquipedia page on this? How much money will the champion get? There'll be a Liquipedia page as soon as there is enough information out to warrant one. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:01 eMGmoG wrote: so it will be harder to win a regional wcs (korea) than to win the global finals. That's how it was last year with the WCS. Even though the prize money was huge, Parting's win didn't feel like a big deal, because he didn't even have to play a Korean until the final. And this I think is the problem. Parting did actually get 3rd at WCS Korea, which was the harder event, but because it was only a qualifier for something bigger, it didn't matter. Creator won WCS Korea, but it just didn't feel as big as a GSL win, because the whole event felt like just a qualifier. I'm worried that this may happen to GSL now, and that a Code S championship may no longer have the same weight it used to have before. | ||
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