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On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote:
There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
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On March 29 2013 03:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote:
There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is. Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
To be perfectly honest, I find Korean players, in general, to be more interesting, and more relatable, than 99.99999% of foreigners.
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On March 29 2013 03:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote:
There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is. Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
I agree that "hiding behind the translator" is a big issue.
It's weird when you compare them to someone like White-ra, he has pretty terrible English but his personality still shines through and makes him one of the biggest favorites in the community. Polt does pretty much all his interviews in English and I think that has gained him a ton of fans, he's certainly one of the most popular Korean terrans. Simply switching to English would make a ton of fans for many of these guys.
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Northern Ireland26616 Posts
On March 29 2013 03:12 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 03:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote:
There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is. Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator? I agree that "hiding behind the translator" is a big issue. It's weird when you compare them to someone like White-ra, he has pretty terrible English but his personality still shines through and makes him one of the biggest favorites in the community. Polt does pretty much all his interviews in English and I think that has gained him a ton of fans, he's certainly one of the most popular Korean terrans. Simply switching to English would make a ton of fans for many of these guys.
You forget that Polt is a magnificently handsome specimen of a man as well and has some pretty decent English these days, that's a lot to expect the average Korean pro to live up to!
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Maybe EG are actually trying to have a good SC2 team and win some games now.
Investing in a Korean coach and getting in two non-"personality" players is an indication maybe they are trying to be more than a giant advertising company and get some results.
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On March 29 2013 03:15 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 03:12 Bagi wrote:On March 29 2013 03:04 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote:
There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is. Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator? I agree that "hiding behind the translator" is a big issue. It's weird when you compare them to someone like White-ra, he has pretty terrible English but his personality still shines through and makes him one of the biggest favorites in the community. Polt does pretty much all his interviews in English and I think that has gained him a ton of fans, he's certainly one of the most popular Korean terrans. Simply switching to English would make a ton of fans for many of these guys. You forget that Polt is a magnificently handsome specimen of a man as well and has some pretty decent English these days, that's a lot to expect the average Korean pro to live up to!
MC started out with terrible English (check out his NASL application), but he put clearly put effort into learning it and I think the results speak for themselves. He's universally known as a total nerd baller.
While I won't disagree that Polt is one handsome dude, I think for any Korean who wants to make it big in the foreigner scene, learning and actually using English helps out a ton. Unless you are MVP or Life and can just win everyone over with your amazing play of course.
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So when are they aloud to play in PL?
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Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
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On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote:
Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games.
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On March 29 2013 05:39 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote:
Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though! Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games.
Watch this week’s Pulse with Alex Garfield. He addresses that subject and says it has been a failing of the team to not provide better coaching for the players.
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On March 29 2013 03:21 Lonyo wrote:
Maybe EG are actually trying to have a good SC2 team and win some games now.
Investing in a Korean coach and getting in two non-"personality" players is an indication maybe they are trying to be more than a giant advertising company and get some results.
You know that when you're running an eSport team, results aren't the only thing you should focus on right? I mean, sure results is an important part, but you won't be successful as a team based on results only. There's a lot more to it.
On topic, nice pickup for EG. Glad to see a new terran and protoss, will add more diversity in their line-up. Now let's wait and see how these 2 perform in PL. EG-TL Fighting!!
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On March 29 2013 05:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:39 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote:
Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though! Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games. Watch this week’s Pulse with Alex Garfield. He addresses that subject and says it has been a failing of the team to not provide better coaching for the players.
At least for the korean side of things there seems to be a real effort on good coaching. So if the new headcoach cant handle them, he sure will have a good idea what to do, to make it happen. He was not sucessfull without a reason.
I dont like the situation for the foreigner side of things though. It isnt even EG`s fault. There are no good non-korean coaches. And you can see what happens when coaches cant reach their players due to a language barrier, every week in pro-football (not handegg).
Anyways good luck to the EG guys. They seem to make a lot happen for their pro-league endevour. I wish TL would give more input into this too. At this point they should be happy if they are ever mentioned.
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On March 29 2013 05:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:39 Chewbacca. wrote:On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote:
Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though! Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games. Watch this week’s Pulse with Alex Garfield. He addresses that subject and says it has been a failing of the team to not provide better coaching for the players.
Does anyone actually think EG is in this to develop player talent? They buy popular players at their peak for a quick buck and then let them stagnate.
Puma is pretty much the only EG player who managed to improve after joining the team, I guess that's what made him so special for them.
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Northern Ireland26616 Posts
Puma got worse on EG if anything. They're picking up Alive who is in Code A iirc, and Oz who is in the dreaded depths of Code B and EG are picking them up now, rather than when they were Code S staples. Alive is not particularly popular if you read a lot of the comments here and Oz is something of a 'hipster favourite'
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The cash just keeps flowing.
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On March 29 2013 06:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
Puma got worse on EG if anything. They're picking up Alive who is in Code A iirc, and Oz who is in the dreaded depths of Code B and EG are picking them up now, rather than when they were Code S staples. Alive is not particularly popular if you read a lot of the comments here and Oz is something of a 'hipster favourite'
In the case of Puma it might've been just a matter of exposure, but he went from winning NASL1 before joining to winning a ton more tournaments after joining. Whether he improved is hard to say.
Their latest pickups haven't been in the same vein I guess, they feel more like emergency additions to their proleague team since they are failing so badly.
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Northern Ireland26616 Posts
I guess, but if they were going for emergency pickups would they not go for guys who are currently in good form? Not that there's that many of them available mind.
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