Team EG is thrilled to announce the additions of Han “aLive” Lee Seok and Kim “Oz” Hak Soo to its StarCraft II roster.:
Hello Everyone,
A few weeks ago, you guys heard from us at Evil Geniuses on a more somber note, as we parted ways with Ho Joon “PuMa” Lee, who for a very long time was one of our StarCraft roster’s strongest players. More information about his release.
It was a difficult decision, but ultimately one that was rooted in improving our performance in Proleague, and giving our new Head Coach, Yong Woon Park, the best possible roster of players to work with. At the time of PuMa’s release, we mentioned that you’d be hearing from us again soon regarding some player additions we’d be making to help round out our roster – today, we’re able to provide more information on those additions.
Lee Seok “aLive” Han and Hak Su “Oz” Kim are names that anyone who’s been following professional StarCraft 2 for the past several years will already be well-acquainted with. During their respective careers, each of which includes a tenure with Fnatic (their most recent team prior to Evil Geniuses), they have amassed impressive resumes in both Korean and International events. On Korean soil, both players have reached the Semi-Finals of the GSL Code S (in aLive’s case, multiple times), with Oz also reaching the Quarter-Finals of the 2012 StarCraft 2 OSL, and achieving second place in the 2012 MLG vs. Proleague Invitational. Outside of Korea, aLive and Oz have performed just as well, with Oz having achieved Top 4 placements at multiple MLG Arena events in 2012, and aLive having taken home the championship trophy at IPL4. In additional to their individual accomplishments, both players have proven to be key components in prior teamleague lineups, with each of them participating in numerous GSTL matches last year. We’re excited to welcome them to our team, and we think they’ll really help solidify our team’s roster. They’ll be living in our team house and training under Coach Park effective immediately.
Now, there’s one thing we want to make clear, here. While both aLive and Oz will certainly be making appearances for us in individual tournaments (both on Korean soil, and Internationally), we have made these roster additions first and foremost with our Proleague lineup in mind. I have been clear in our last few announcements related to Proleague that, despite the fact that we didn’t do very well in Round 3, we still think that we can turn things around and make the playoffs. Coach Park, Victor (Liquid’s CEO), and myself all very much believe that this is possible, and we’re putting all of the time, energy, and resources we have available into achieving this goal. Hopefully, today’s roster additions will demonstrate just that.
Thanks very much for all of your support – we hope that you’ll all be watching our matches and cheering us on in the next round of Proleague, which is coming up very soon.
Pretty cool. Alive has always been a great Terran. Oz on the other hand... he was always good but never really a top protoss. These days he is no where near the top. Ah well. I hope our boys in blue (both blues) can do better in round 4! EGTL fighting!
I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
Im happy for Oz and Alive and I hope they will thrive in the teamhouse and with the help of the coach. Im not sure these two players will make the difference in proleague that EG-TL needs but it will be interesting to follow.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
They are the best free koreans atm. There were a lot after SlayerS and TSL disbands but not anymore.
Alive is a sick player and Oz was the best Protoss in the world at one point, he and Squirtle really dragged Protoss forward so that Parting could crush all the nerds, haha .
Both awesome pickups and I really hope they can show some of their best Starcraft - neither has been at their best lately, but maybe a new team is what they both need.
On March 28 2013 10:47 ShowTheLights wrote: alive has ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO personality
i dont freaking understand, hes more quiet than revival, why are people happy about this?
WHY EG?!
someone tell me ONE showing of personality that alive has shown
i just do not like him, yes hes a good player, but zero personality. blah
He's certainly not a parting or MC, but he does have qualities that are likable. I remember reading some of his interviews from last year where we talks about his unrecognized status and things like that. While it isn't neccessarily exciting like smack talk, it's something that can be attached too. I know for me, I almost appreciate that kind of attitude and sympathize with him which makes me even more attached.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
I like the pickup of aLive because they definitely need a Terran for Proleague. Oz I'm less sure about, as he really hasn't been too impressive for a long time now. With a new game though, Oz's creativity should sign, so there's that advantage at least.
We won't really know how smart this was until we see what Coach Park can do with them first though.
On March 28 2013 10:53 Swords wrote: I like the pickup of aLive because they definitely need a Terran for Proleague. Oz I'm less sure about, as he really hasn't been too impressive for a long time now. With a new game though, Oz's creativity should sign, so there's that advantage at least.
We won't really know how smart this was until we see what Coach Park can do with them first though.
Oz, in my opinion, has always shown great innovation and a willingness to go outside the box, and I think thats perfect for coming into a new metagame. I hope to see great things out of Oz, definitely one of the most entertaining protoss to watch.
LOL. And now introducing EG's top Terran and top Protoss... aLive and Oz!
On March 28 2013 10:47 ShowTheLights wrote: alive has ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO personality
i dont freaking understand, hes more quiet than revival, why are people happy about this?
WHY EG?!
someone tell me ONE showing of personality that alive has shown
i just do not like him, yes hes a good player, but zero personality. blah
He was entertaining enough on that GSL gameshow-esque series. I forget the name of the show, but it was with Wolf/Artosis/Tasteless hosting, and the player played a few games with funny handicaps against Bnet opponents.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
You're right, but in that case; I'd rather just wait and see how the market flips or changes rather than pick up whatever's left in the bucket.
Both of these players have been really good in the past but have fallen off recently Hopefully the EG-TL house will change that and they'll go back to their former glory
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
Why limit yourself to free agents? EG could probably have moved into a bigger house and bought out NSHoSeo at the same time with the money saved on Puma. Make them all practice partners -> success :D
Jokes aside, do Coca and Puzzle have a team? Are they somewhat bound to StarTale or are they looking for bigger opportunities?
On March 28 2013 10:47 ShowTheLights wrote: alive has ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO personality
i dont freaking understand, hes more quiet than revival, why are people happy about this?
WHY EG?!
someone tell me ONE showing of personality that alive has shown
i just do not like him, yes hes a good player, but zero personality. blah
What? They're a pro team. You can pretty much judge how serious a sport SC2 is by whether teams are just picking up whoever is popular, or whether they're picking up people who can actually win. You should be happy that they seem to think they can succeed overall more by picking up top players than by taking whoever has the most twitter followers.
Well that was unexpected O.o. Hopefully they can practice hard and perform well in SPL, but more importantly show off some personality, I almost forgot they were even around since they don't stream or interact much .
Damn I completely forgot about Oz... and that both of them were teamless. I heard someone mention aLive as a possibility before, but I would have never predicted Oz. They both seemed to drop off quite a bit, but were near the top at their peaks. It will be interesting to see how they can do.
On another note, Oz was slightly marketable but neither of them seem to be the type of players who will be huge fan favorites. It seems EG is really just investing in the pro league. Where do they even get all this money from? O_O
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
You're right, but in that case; I'd rather just wait and see how the market flips or changes rather than pick up whatever's left in the bucket.
Yeah, but I don't think EG-TL has enough time to wait and see. They need more players on their roster, especially with Stephano leaving and TaeJa still injured and only have a slim chances of making playoffs left.
Very nice additions to the team. The line up is starting to look better with every announcement. Hopefully more players from the team will join them in Korea soon.
On March 28 2013 11:00 Inviteme wrote: this signing is just sad
just because stephano , idra and all the EG players are afraid to go back to korea
KOREA IS TOO HARD AND WE DON'T SPEAK KOREAN ..
w/e gL OZ and alive
I seriously doubt that is the only reason they signed oz and alive ...
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
You're right, but in that case; I'd rather just wait and see how the market flips or changes rather than pick up whatever's left in the bucket.
The problem is that they have not the time. Round 4 of SPL begins in a few weeks and they were practically forced to recruit those players given that Stephano, PuMa and maybe ThorZaIN and TaeJa won't be able to play.
Finally another terran :D And aLive at that. Queue the proleague puns when he gets around to playing! So happy to see him on a team again, will always be rooting for em.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
Why limit yourself to free agents? EG could probably have moved into a bigger house and bought out NSHoSeo at the same time with the money saved on Puma. Make them all practice partners -> success :D
Jokes aside, do Coca and Puzzle have a team? Are they somewhat bound to StarTale or are they looking for bigger opportunities?
I don't think EG would want players like CoCa and Puzzle right now. They left the scene on a pretty bad note and now are back quietly and nobody can really estimate how good they are right now. EG needs solid meat for the roster.
Also, just because I'm curious, why would they be bound to StarTale?
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
You're right, but in that case; I'd rather just wait and see how the market flips or changes rather than pick up whatever's left in the bucket.
they can't wait. they need proleague help right now. aLive and Oz definitely strengthen their line up and i think it was on The Pulse that said EG was gonna be announcing two new players soon that are on 6 month contracts.
great pickups, leaves alot of heavy zerg lifting up to revival (no problems there) and JD (still looking for that transformation we've seen Flash go through into a semblance of his former glory). All in all, great to add some depth to the EG/TL bench.
Not really that great pick ups imo, both haven't done a lot in a long time. I guess there isn't a lot of good free agents and they both most likely cost the same as Puma did so I'd say they are better off. I don't see there pro league fortunes changing much unless Taeja is playing at 100% again.
On March 28 2013 11:08 IronL wrote: great pickups, leaves alot of heavy zerg lifting up to revival (no problems there) and JD (still looking for that transformation we've seen Flash go through into a semblance of his former glory). All in all, great to add some depth to the EG/TL bench.
On March 28 2013 11:10 Laryleprakon wrote: Not really that great pick ups imo, both haven't done a lot in a long time. I guess there isn't a lot of good free agents and they both most likely cost the same as Puma did so I'd say they are better off. I don't see there pro league fortunes changing much unless Taeja is playing at 100% again.
WoW that EG roster is huge. Korea line up should be pretty stacked. ALive and OZ are very good. But ALive and OZ aren't really people I would want to watch streams of as much. I still love the foreigner guys more though, and find them more interesting. But I do hope alive and OZ can bring some help to proleague, I wonder if coach park had some influence on it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate(more like doubt) here and on Reddit, for Oz but i actually feel like this is a great pickup. I've always liked Oz myself, hes a real cool player. Had some real cute innovative PvZ builds in WoL. Either way i feel like both these pickups are real solid and will help them in proleague. I sure hope so! 화이팅!
Two players that I think will contribute to a strong practice and playing environment. Going to be interesting to see how proleague plays out from here.
Oz is, for my money the best build preparer bar none of Protoss players. He also has passable English and did, iirc some psuedo-coaching in FXO as well. Will be great for team cohesion and for Proleague I can see him being a real useful guy to have around. He may have never really achieved the result I think his play merited, and may never win individual leagues, but for innovative, map-specific builds Oz is king. (That or mancrush speaking)
Alive is pretty much Puma, except probably in a bit better shape of late. Horrendously underrated player, if HoTS doesn't throw him off that is, he's been a top 10 Terran for pretty much the duration of WoL, albeit I'm not sure where he is now especially with the Kespa players inexorable rise.
I think this is a positive sign as well regarding Proleague. If EG wanted players for picking up easy money from foreign tournaments, these two are not really a step up from Puma and there were other potential pickups there who would be great for that purpose. This to me, reading between the lines is EG bolstering their Korea-based players eligible for Proleague. They mightn't salvage this season and make the playoffs or whatever, but I definitely see them salvaging pride for their next run.
These are great additions! Both Alive and Oz have always seemed like solid players with lots of room for growth. I can't wait for round 4! I was kind of hoping the EG guys would cut Naniwa some slack and pick him up though...
On March 28 2013 11:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Great, great pickups.
Oz is, for my money the best build preparer bar none of Protoss players. He also has passable English and did, iirc some psuedo-coaching in FXO as well. Will be great for team cohesion and for Proleague I can see him being a real useful guy to have around. He may have never really achieved the result I think his play merited, and may never win individual leagues, but for innovative, map-specific builds Oz is king. (That or mancrush speaking)
Alive is pretty much Puma, except probably in a bit better shape of late. Horrendously underrated player, if HoTS doesn't throw him off that is, he's been a top 10 Terran for pretty much the duration of WoL, albeit I'm not sure where he is now especially with the Kespa players inexorable rise.
I think this is a positive sign as well regarding Proleague. If EG wanted players for picking up easy money from foreign tournaments, these two are not really a step up from Puma and there were other potential pickups there who would be great for that purpose. This to me, reading between the lines is EG bolstering their Korea-based players eligible for Proleague. They mightn't salvage this season and make the playoffs or whatever, but I definitely see them salvaging pride for their next run.
Speaking english is pretty irrelevant now, they have only Koreans in the house and it'll probably stay that way for quite a while/a long time.
On March 28 2013 11:08 IronL wrote: great pickups, leaves alot of heavy zerg lifting up to revival (no problems there) and JD (still looking for that transformation we've seen Flash go through into a semblance of his former glory). All in all, great to add some depth to the EG/TL bench.
Zenio too. He's not nothing.
Pretty close to that though. Proleague record is abysmal, gameplay looked weak and whenever he goes to foreign tournaments he often loses to foreigners.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Honestly, which better free agents are out there in Korea in your opinion? Can't think of that many tbh
Why limit yourself to free agents? EG could probably have moved into a bigger house and bought out NSHoSeo at the same time with the money saved on Puma. Make them all practice partners -> success :D
Jokes aside, do Coca and Puzzle have a team? Are they somewhat bound to StarTale or are they looking for bigger opportunities?
I don't think EG would want players like CoCa and Puzzle right now. They left the scene on a pretty bad note and now are back quietly and nobody can really estimate how good they are right now. EG needs solid meat for the roster.
Also, just because I'm curious, why would they be bound to StarTale?
sC got back into his old team and he was also playing LoL instead of practicing for Code A before he switched. In my opinion CoCa and Puzzle were both better than sC in their prime and players with their potential would make good pickups for any team as long as it's ensured that their motivation is completely there again.
About StarTale, it's just that they absorbed ZeNEX so the two renegades should have some buddies there and they were said to be practicing with StarTale players with the coach observing when first rumours about them switching back came out. I really don't know what their status is now, maybe we'll learn more during Code A qualifiers.
On March 28 2013 11:17 FlamingKitty wrote: I'm seeing a lot of hate(more like doubt) here and on Reddit, for Oz but i actually feel like this is a great pickup. I've always liked Oz myself, hes a real cool player. Had some real cute innovative PvZ builds in WoL. Either way i feel like both these pickups are real solid and will help them in proleague. I sure hope so! 화이팅!
Oz is getting hate? Where? I must defend my beloved Oz!
Forge/Nexus builds and double twilight builds vT, some really cool anti-Stephano builds at various MLGs etc.
Oz sometimes is 'too smart' for his own good with his builds, but they are really interesting for students of the game, at least imo. Oz showed how easily you could dismantle Stephano's style through good preparation, and imo he's never had that aura vP ever since.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
Be careful on the website guys. It looks like it may have been hacked again. I didn't see any malicious scripts on this particular page, but there's some very shady looking stuff.
Pretty big pick ups. Excited to see if EG-TL can turn things around. The last month or so has shown how dedicated they are to doing well in PL, and I can't say I'm not impressed.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
On March 28 2013 11:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Great, great pickups.
Oz is, for my money the best build preparer bar none of Protoss players. He also has passable English and did, iirc some psuedo-coaching in FXO as well. Will be great for team cohesion and for Proleague I can see him being a real useful guy to have around. He may have never really achieved the result I think his play merited, and may never win individual leagues, but for innovative, map-specific builds Oz is king. (That or mancrush speaking)
Alive is pretty much Puma, except probably in a bit better shape of late. Horrendously underrated player, if HoTS doesn't throw him off that is, he's been a top 10 Terran for pretty much the duration of WoL, albeit I'm not sure where he is now especially with the Kespa players inexorable rise.
I think this is a positive sign as well regarding Proleague. If EG wanted players for picking up easy money from foreign tournaments, these two are not really a step up from Puma and there were other potential pickups there who would be great for that purpose. This to me, reading between the lines is EG bolstering their Korea-based players eligible for Proleague. They mightn't salvage this season and make the playoffs or whatever, but I definitely see them salvaging pride for their next run.
alive is MUCH more a complete player than puma will ever be smart pickups by eg, really showing that they in fact focus on pl now. wanna see a new tl pickup aswell, cant be all eg :>
On March 28 2013 11:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Great, great pickups.
Oz is, for my money the best build preparer bar none of Protoss players. He also has passable English and did, iirc some psuedo-coaching in FXO as well. Will be great for team cohesion and for Proleague I can see him being a real useful guy to have around. He may have never really achieved the result I think his play merited, and may never win individual leagues, but for innovative, map-specific builds Oz is king. (That or mancrush speaking)
Alive is pretty much Puma, except probably in a bit better shape of late. Horrendously underrated player, if HoTS doesn't throw him off that is, he's been a top 10 Terran for pretty much the duration of WoL, albeit I'm not sure where he is now especially with the Kespa players inexorable rise.
I think this is a positive sign as well regarding Proleague. If EG wanted players for picking up easy money from foreign tournaments, these two are not really a step up from Puma and there were other potential pickups there who would be great for that purpose. This to me, reading between the lines is EG bolstering their Korea-based players eligible for Proleague. They mightn't salvage this season and make the playoffs or whatever, but I definitely see them salvaging pride for their next run.
alive is MUCH more a complete player than puma will ever be
For ProLeague, sounds good. I really hope things turn out well. Invisible Terran and the Strong-but-inconsistent Protoss can be scary; I hope Coach Park can tame the team well.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Yeah, I don't know if I would bet on these two to save EGTL in PL.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
JYP has been the most consistent Korean player for EG ever since the few games he took in the GSTL.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
They're take what they can get. There aren't a whole lot of Terran candidates who are groomed and prepped at the moment. You have to develop them yourself.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
On March 28 2013 11:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Great, great pickups.
Oz is, for my money the best build preparer bar none of Protoss players. He also has passable English and did, iirc some psuedo-coaching in FXO as well. Will be great for team cohesion and for Proleague I can see him being a real useful guy to have around. He may have never really achieved the result I think his play merited, and may never win individual leagues, but for innovative, map-specific builds Oz is king. (That or mancrush speaking)
Alive is pretty much Puma, except probably in a bit better shape of late. Horrendously underrated player, if HoTS doesn't throw him off that is, he's been a top 10 Terran for pretty much the duration of WoL, albeit I'm not sure where he is now especially with the Kespa players inexorable rise.
I think this is a positive sign as well regarding Proleague. If EG wanted players for picking up easy money from foreign tournaments, these two are not really a step up from Puma and there were other potential pickups there who would be great for that purpose. This to me, reading between the lines is EG bolstering their Korea-based players eligible for Proleague. They mightn't salvage this season and make the playoffs or whatever, but I definitely see them salvaging pride for their next run.
alive is MUCH more a complete player than puma will ever be smart pickups by eg, really showing that they in fact focus on pl now. wanna see a new tl pickup aswell, cant be all eg :>
at least hes way cheaper and less demanding than greedy PuMa, and performance wise can match him / outclasses him in TvT for example. But that requires him to be fully motivated, I always thought of aLive as a sleeping volcano.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
Irrelevant now considering everyone knows by now what Stephano is up to and a guy like IdrA just doesn't want to ante up to that type of regime anymore. Maybe we'll see guys like Stephano come back for a round every once in a while or perhaps he's getting ready for med school after touring the international scene once again.
wow EG getting bigger and bigger. I think now they have 13 players in their roster! With JD, Revival, Oz, aLive and JYP they almost are a good team on their own to compete in SPL, but I think all players have to get better and play above their level.
On March 28 2013 10:45 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty cool. Alive has always been a great Terran. Oz on the other hand... he was always good but never really a top protoss. These days he is no where near the top. Ah well. I hope our boys in blue (both blues) can do better in round 4! EGTL fighting!
"These days"
What do you base this upon? Just cause he's not playing anywhere doesnt mean he's just one of tenfolds of Koreans who doesnt have the space for exercising their skills (except Code A-qual once every 2-4 months that few of you can see anyway)
Alive admitted himself that he didn't do anything with the chances Fnatic gave him and that the entire team wasn't practicing as much as they should have.
Kind of disappointed that EG picked them up in light of that, but I guess Hwanni still cares for his boys.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
Irrelevant now considering everyone knows by now what Stephano is up to and a guy like IdrA just doesn't want to ante up to that type of regime anymore. Maybe we'll see guys like Stephano come back for a round every once in a while or perhaps he's getting ready for med school after touring the international scene once again.
If that makes them irrelevant, why did he list Puma?
Alive admitted himself that he didn't do anything with the chances Fnatic gave him and that the entire team wasn't practicing as much as they should have.
Kind of disappointed that EG picked them up in light of that, but I guess Hwanni still cares for his boys.
Coach Park and Trot will whoop his ass if he doesn't practice. Hopefully motivation won't be an issue now that he is playing a super prestigious league and on one of the most popular teams.
On March 28 2013 11:21 justsayinbro wrote: yea no more puma and jyp in the proleague line up so I think we have a chance lol. GL EGTL
Yeah, because JYP has SUCH a bad record doesn't he?
Jesus christ, guy gets abuse all the time for no fucking reason, it's retarded.
Agreed. JYP has been performing really well considering how well the "star" players are doing. I have certainly become more of a fan of his and can't wait to see how he improves with the new coach.
Irrelevant now considering everyone knows by now what Stephano is up to and a guy like IdrA just doesn't want to ante up to that type of regime anymore. Maybe we'll see guys like Stephano come back for a round every once in a while or perhaps he's getting ready for med school after touring the international scene once again.
If that makes them irrelevant, why did he list Puma?
No idea. Considering we're talking about EG specifically you could have even left out the TL players too even though they compete with them.
Alive admitted himself that he didn't do anything with the chances Fnatic gave him and that the entire team wasn't practicing as much as they should have.
Kind of disappointed that EG picked them up in light of that, but I guess Hwanni still cares for his boys.
Coach Park and Trot will whoop his ass if he doesn't practice. Hopefully motivation won't be an issue now that he is playing a super prestigious league and on one of the most popular teams.
I think it has more to do with the fact Fnatic is a Western team where players interact with the team managers and the players have more responsibility when it comes to practicing.
On March 28 2013 12:00 Headnoob wrote: Not exactly stellar pickups.
Who would you pick-up then? They don't have a farm system set up for fishing out prospects. What do you do? Go with the names out there.
On March 28 2013 10:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I definitely feel they could have found better. However, I dunno what the amount was agreed for, but Oz has been slumping since Summer and aLive isn't exactly stellar either.
I wonder how they'll do in Proleague.
Two things. first off, if you look at the list of teamless players available at the minute, no GSL champion caliber people were available. second off, you claim that oz has been slumping, but i would disagree. just check out his MLG fall championship run. He took out leenock in a best of three, Polt, and hyvaa. not to shabby if you ask me. i really am proud of EG for this pickup, and believe that oz will tear it up!
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Poor choices.. These two are not going to be improving the proleague team much.. I'd prefer for them to pick up some up-and-comers rather than pay some mediocre veterans like alive and Oz.. I'm calling it now.. This will not improve the roster as much as they are hoping.
I doubt aLive is gonna rep the EG-TL Terran line any better than Taeja, Thorzain and PuMa were able to do so far. This pickup feels more like a "charity case" from Hwanni and EG where they pick up aLive because he knows them and he wasn't able to find any other decent team, and at the same time EG-TL was in need of depth and terrans so they took the chance. I don't think it will pay off, but let's see.
Oz on the other hand is a really good pickup for EG and the Proleague lineup. HotS favours his style a lot, if he gets the right backing and finds the right motivation and everything clicks for him I think he will actually end up being the EG-TL ace tbh. He also has some Proleague experience from BW (even tho it wasn't a good one) and his mentality versus KeSPA players is not a problem from reading interviews and stuff.
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
next pickup: Puzzle and Coca? :O
Oh man I forgot about Puzzle! I don't know tho. Coca has been a really solid player, up until SlayerS demise. Maybe EGTL can come together and contract them as a joint venture. Although looking at the overall lineup, they are in desperate need of Terrans. They missed their chance at getting some talent before Azubu took all the free agents. Slim pickens right now.
wow, i guess with the competition from kespa gom players are probably a lil easier to afford, which makes sense. Regardless, huge signing for eg, both these players dominated and lead their respective races for a chunk of time. Can't wait to see EG in a few months in teamleague
On March 28 2013 12:10 Gosi wrote: I doubt aLive is gonna rep the EG-TL Terran line any better than Taeja, Thorzain and PuMa were able to do so far. This pickup feels more like a "charity case" from Hwanni and EG where they pick up aLive because he knows them and he wasn't able to find any other decent team, and at the same time EG-TL was in need of depth and terrans so they took the chance. I don't think it will pay off, but let's see.
Oz on the other hand is a really good pickup for EG and the Proleague lineup. HotS favours his style a lot, if he gets the right backing and finds the right motivation and everything clicks for him I think he will actually end up being the EG-TL ace tbh. He also has some Proleague experience from BW (even tho it wasn't a good one) and his mentality versus KeSPA players is not a problem from reading interviews and stuff.
gl
I doubt EG is overpaying these pick-ups and got a decent price on them. Right now they need meat and both these players could really use a house to play in.
Ok, so people are calling Oz and Alive 'mediocre'.
Hey, maybe their current shape isn't the best, but historically, what the hell? What constitutes a 'good' pickup? If you don't think these two are good, at least say why, or who you'd advocate instead of trashing two solid players.
On March 28 2013 12:15 F14C0 wrote: nice picks for EG...:D they'll need more terrans n toss in HOTS...
what about flash
Indeed, they should just buy Flash. Forget these guys.... XDDD
Pretty good pickup. I don't think they can do much better as of right now, but still, I wonder how much EG is dedicating to this... Not sure it's going to pay off. Best of luck!!
On March 28 2013 12:10 Gosi wrote: I doubt aLive is gonna rep the EG-TL Terran line any better than Taeja, Thorzain and PuMa were able to do so far. This pickup feels more like a "charity case" from Hwanni and EG where they pick up aLive because he knows them and he wasn't able to find any other decent team, and at the same time EG-TL was in need of depth and terrans so they took the chance. I don't think it will pay off, but let's see.
Oz on the other hand is a really good pickup for EG and the Proleague lineup. HotS favours his style a lot, if he gets the right backing and finds the right motivation and everything clicks for him I think he will actually end up being the EG-TL ace tbh. He also has some Proleague experience from BW (even tho it wasn't a good one) and his mentality versus KeSPA players is not a problem from reading interviews and stuff.
gl
I doubt EG is overpaying these pick-ups and got a decent price on them. Right now they need meat and both these players could really use a house to play in.
True true.
Oh and EG gets themselves another former TSL player. :D
On March 28 2013 12:10 Gosi wrote: I doubt aLive is gonna rep the EG-TL Terran line any better than Taeja, Thorzain and PuMa were able to do so far. This pickup feels more like a "charity case" from Hwanni and EG where they pick up aLive because he knows them and he wasn't able to find any other decent team, and at the same time EG-TL was in need of depth and terrans so they took the chance. I don't think it will pay off, but let's see.
Compared to ThorZain and PuMa? Alive is a godsend.
Alive admitted himself that he didn't do anything with the chances Fnatic gave him and that the entire team wasn't practicing as much as they should have.
Kind of disappointed that EG picked them up in light of that, but I guess Hwanni still cares for his boys.
Coach Park and Trot will whoop his ass if he doesn't practice. Hopefully motivation won't be an issue now that he is playing a super prestigious league and on one of the most popular teams.
I think it has more to do with the fact Fnatic is a Western team where players interact with the team managers and the players have more responsibility when it comes to practicing.
Good for EG. I think this is a great pickup. No it is not Flash, Life or Parting, but they probably don't get 6 figure salaries either. Alive and Oz have both shown that they can be solid players capable of competing at the highest level for extended periods of time. Both have gone a bit downhill, but with changing teams and not having a proper practice environment it is understandable. EG-TL seems to have the ideal conditions to get Oz and Alive in top shape again with the acquisition of coach Park and having Oz and Alive focus primarily on PL.
sorry if this was mentioned already, but did they just got 2 korean players im guessing with the money they money of 1 ex player( puma) if so that is smart!
I have a lot of good memories from both of these players from back in 2011, I hope they put on quite a showing. Then again, I'd love to see Huk be at a level where he can contribute to the proleague roster being that he's been in Korea for what feels like forever. One can hope at least.
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
Plus, he have no accomplishments except people kept saying he's great, but remember this was in WoL when Zerg are dominating the scene.
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
Plus, he have no accomplishments except people kept saying he's great, but remember this was in WoL when Zerg are dominating the scene.
Except remember Zerg did not dominate WoL. They dominated the end of WoL. Coca was in code S July 2011 to GSL Nov 2011 where the distributions in the first rounds where: July: 9P, 16T, 8Z Aug: 8P, 17T, 7Z Oct: 5P, 20T, 7Z Nov: 5P, 19T, 8Z Are you really claiming that zerg was dominating the scene at this point?
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
alive is a quality player, with a good run and a little luck, he's a tournament contender for sure. Always thought he was an excellent player, all though he's faded a bit. Seems to be a huge amount of quality terrans around now so I can't blame him.
Oz is a solid player as well. Equally as good if not better than JYP imo.
Alive admitted himself that he didn't do anything with the chances Fnatic gave him and that the entire team wasn't practicing as much as they should have.
Kind of disappointed that EG picked them up in light of that, but I guess Hwanni still cares for his boys.
Coach Park and Trot will whoop his ass if he doesn't practice. Hopefully motivation won't be an issue now that he is playing a super prestigious league and on one of the most popular teams.
I think it has more to do with the fact Fnatic is a Western team where players interact with the team managers and the players have more responsibility when it comes to practicing.
On March 28 2013 12:00 Headnoob wrote: Not exactly stellar pickups.
Who would you pick-up then? They don't have a farm system set up for fishing out prospects. What do you do? Go with the names out there.
I would pick up literally anyone who isn't Oz.
But maybe that's just me, seriously though, literally anybody.
He's as close to perfect a player as you can pickup right now for Proleague's format.
Known for one-off prepared map/race specific builds. Helped out at least a bit in the coaching department Often comes up with innovative ideas that other players can really flesh out.
Even if he doesn't play much as a psuedo-coach and practice partner he'd be worth a punt on. There are far, far worse pickups than Oz
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies against Byun if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Byun had just left Zenex and joined Prime, so it was against a former teammate.
Edit: Edited out all the wrong information and added the correct information, sorry about that shouldn't of talked about it until I looked it up again because it was a long time ago and was hard for me to remember all the correct information.
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly.
in the Ro32 of an ESV weekly tournament where the winner got a seed into a 16 player tournament where the winner got a Code A spot. Against Byun.
Stakes were waaaaaay lower than people make them sound in retrospect
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
Plus, he have no accomplishments except people kept saying he's great, but remember this was in WoL when Zerg are dominating the scene.
Coca is a quite a popular player, and he's pretty accomplished. He got 2nd at MLG, losing only to Bomber, and made the Ro8 for GSL. This was when Terrans like Mvp and MMA were in form.
He also had a 100% ZvP winrate during 2011, which was cool
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
No, it was against Byun.
Yeah I just edited, I just remembering it being one of the Zenex Terrans and Taeja was the first that came to mind, so that is 100% my fault, hopefully I don't get burned at the stake.
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
No, it was against Byun.
Yeah I just edited, I just remembering it being one of the Zenex Terrans and Teaja was the first that came to mind, so that is 100% my fault, hopefully I don't get burned at the stake.
Sorry man, but we've already prepared the firewood. To the stake you go!
I know Alex said in an interview recently that the new additions will be on 6 month contracts. Really puts a lot of pressure on the players to preform in Proleague right away.
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
No, it was against Byun.
Yeah I just edited, I just remembering it being one of the Zenex Terrans and Teaja was the first that came to mind, so that is 100% my fault, hopefully I don't get burned at the stake.
On March 28 2013 12:59 feanor1 wrote: I know Alex said in an interview recently that the new additions will be on 6 month contracts. Really puts a lot of pressure on the players to preform in Proleague right away.
On March 28 2013 12:59 feanor1 wrote: I know Alex said in an interview recently that the new additions will be on 6 month contracts. Really puts a lot of pressure on the players to preform in Proleague right away.
Alive admitted himself that he didn't do anything with the chances Fnatic gave him and that the entire team wasn't practicing as much as they should have.
Kind of disappointed that EG picked them up in light of that, but I guess Hwanni still cares for his boys.
Coach Park and Trot will whoop his ass if he doesn't practice. Hopefully motivation won't be an issue now that he is playing a super prestigious league and on one of the most popular teams.
I think it has more to do with the fact Fnatic is a Western team where players interact with the team managers and the players have more responsibility when it comes to practicing.
On March 28 2013 12:00 Headnoob wrote: Not exactly stellar pickups.
Who would you pick-up then? They don't have a farm system set up for fishing out prospects. What do you do? Go with the names out there.
I would pick up literally anyone who isn't Oz.
But maybe that's just me, seriously though, literally anybody.
LITERALLY anyone but Oz? I mean, how about you name someone on the market to be picked up that makes more sense than Oz....seems like a great pickup to me as his style works well with proleague...
My favorite player joins my least favorite team. Well, such is life! Will continue to stand by Hak Su throughout everything, and I'm glad he'll be able to participate in more tournaments now :D
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
No, it was against Byun.
Yeah I just edited, I just remembering it being one of the Zenex Terrans and Teaja was the first that came to mind, so that is 100% my fault, hopefully I don't get burned at the stake.
Oz is very good at preparing. He should be able to show some very well mapped out build orders and games and be used effectively to snipe certain players. Alive on the other hand is generally a very strong macro oriented terran and should thrive under Coach Park, who's had such a history of success in developing high level terrans.
Excellent additions, and assuming they are available immediately (don't know how feasible this is with Kespa and PL), should really bolster EG-TL's lineup and increase their success. Looking forward to it.
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
No, it was against Byun.
Yeah I just edited, I just remembering it being one of the Zenex Terrans and Teaja was the first that came to mind, so that is 100% my fault, hopefully I don't get burned at the stake.
There was NO CODE A SPOT ON THE LINE.
I want EG to pick up Coca just so we can hear casters try to make sense of the situation and explain it again. I don't think any caster ever got it right, and some had several attempts at it.
On March 28 2013 12:46 vitruvia wrote: i'm starting to doubt eg's financial decisions with this many players.
On March 28 2013 12:40 Waxangel wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:39 Fearest wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:03 TeslasPigeon wrote: EG needs to pick up Coca. He is competing in Code A qualifiers and has been dominate in team leagues for as long as he played them.
Everybody knows that Coca has dramatic issues from Slayers. No team in their right mind would pick him up, even if the accusation was false; he already has a bad reputation.
that's alicia, and he's already on axiom :o
wasn't there a match fixing for a teammate for some kind of code a qualifier that coca did? or am i mistaken it for someone else.
It was in one of the ESV weeklies that gave a spot for Code A against Taeja if I remember correctly. That is when Coca was on SlayerS and I think Taeja had just left Zenex, so it was against a former teammate.
No, it was against Byun.
Yeah I just edited, I just remembering it being one of the Zenex Terrans and Teaja was the first that came to mind, so that is 100% my fault, hopefully I don't get burned at the stake.
There was NO CODE A SPOT ON THE LINE.
I want EG to pick up Coca just so we can hear casters try to make sense of the situation and explain it again. I don't think any caster ever got it right, and some had several attempts at it.
I like to see it as the game "telephone" where every few months we find out what iteration of the story is being told.
God damn it EG, stop buying all the players. Its going to end up with EG vs free agents as the entire SC2 soon, All the koreans hear about EG's players getting paid the $$$ and leave korea, then the skill level drops
On March 28 2013 13:23 Capped wrote: God damn it EG, stop buying all the players. Its going to end up with EG vs free agents as the entire SC2 soon, All the koreans hear about EG's players getting paid the $$$ and leave korea, then the skill level drops
Gratz...i guess <angry face>
Let's not over react, they're not exactly stealing away all the Code S players.
On March 28 2013 10:44 xuanzue wrote: hmm EG-TL is lacking of zergs now.
Not bad when your existing Zerg lineup is the best foreigner, one of the best North Americans, someone who looks like one of the best North Americans, and mother fucking Jaedong.
Alive I expected but Oz is a pleasant surprise. Yay for EG!
On March 28 2013 13:23 Capped wrote: God damn it EG, stop buying all the players. Its going to end up with EG vs free agents as the entire SC2 soon, All the koreans hear about EG's players getting paid the $$$ and leave korea, then the skill level drops
Gratz...i guess <angry face>
they have 13 players. thats not really much considering they are in ProLeague. can't compare them to other foreign teams.
On March 28 2013 10:44 xuanzue wrote: hmm EG-TL is lacking of zergs now.
Not bad when your existing Zerg lineup is the best foreigner, one of the best North Americans, someone who looks like one of the best North Americans, and mother fucking Jaedong.
Alive I expected but Oz is a pleasant surprise. Yay for EG!
And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
On March 28 2013 10:44 xuanzue wrote: hmm EG-TL is lacking of zergs now.
Not bad when your existing Zerg lineup is the best foreigner, one of the best North Americans, someone who looks like one of the best North Americans, and mother fucking Jaedong.
Alive I expected but Oz is a pleasant surprise. Yay for EG!
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Their Proleague roster is the smallest in the league...come on now this is just silly.
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Their Proleague roster is the smallest in the league...come on now this is just silly.
it's not like they've got a split team with TL eh? I'm comparing them to the foreign scene and no one there is barely close in terms of names. Why do these names not perform to their hype is a different problem. Obviously you can't set up a solid competitive roster in Proleague when all your big names are underperforming severely.
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
EG really doesn't have a knack for picking Korean players. I mean, Oz and Alive are both good players, but they're on a descending curve IMO. They'll never be as good as they once were, relative to other players.
Biggest NA team giving up on foreign players, focusing on Korea? Also... dont know if I would go this route...why not wait for more Kespa Koreans who will be slowly overtaking the ESF.
How long are you considered a foreign team if you employ more korean pro's than foreign?
Change EG's name to TSL refugee center. Jokes aside, great pick up by EG. Oz and Alive were playing so well last year but I haven't heard much from them this season but hopefully that'll change come their proleague matches.
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Their Proleague roster is the smallest in the league...come on now this is just silly.
it's not like they've got a split team with TL eh? I'm comparing them to the foreign scene and no one there is barely close in terms of names. Why do these names not perform to their hype is a different problem. Obviously you can't set up a solid competitive roster in Proleague when all your big names are underperforming severely.
Why are you comparing them to the foreign scene? It says in the announcement that these pickups are mainly to bolster their Proleague roster. Team competition outside Korea is a joke anyway so why does it matter what team the players are on? Big props to Take for this Teamstory Cup thing, before that all we had was online matches.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
Oh well shit son, I wasn't aware of the idea of sponsors funding EG. The same sponsors that I can pretty much list because EG actually publicise them well. The same sponsors that sponsor EG for that exposure. Oh but yeah put something in latin to ram home your redundant point in a smug fashion, a point that I am perfectly aware of.
Even in 'real' sports the team does not directly earn the biggest football teams their cash. Sponsorship and the TV deals that come with it, global fanbases and merchandising all have an effect as well.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
Well apparently it is enough to remain competitive otherwise EG wouldn't do so relatively badly in teamleagues would they?
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
Oh well shit son, I wasn't aware of the idea of sponsors funding EG. The same sponsors that I can pretty much list because EG actually publicise them well. The same sponsors that sponsor EG for that exposure. Oh but yeah put something in latin to ram home your redundant point in a smug fashion, a point that I am perfectly aware of.
Even in 'real' sports the team does not directly earn the biggest football teams their cash. Sponsorship and the TV deals that come with it, global fanbases and merchandising all have an effect as well.
so you somewhat agree that they're paid for the show, not for play level, that's why JD was a great pick up, that also is why he's more encouraged in fulfilling his contract by hots-campaign streams than by training hard.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - IEM/DH/IPL/MLG/TSL. Illusion, Sase, NightEnd, Vortix, Lucifron, TLO, Ret, HasuObs and Scarlett between them have won zero Dreamhacks, zero IPLs, zero IEMs, zero MLGs and zero TSLs. There are definitely some arguments for players like Scarlett or Vortix, but NightEnd? Really, NightEnd as good as Thorzain? For realsies?
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
In current skill, obviously. Tournament wins from ancient history aren't relevant when discussing how good they are now.
i really hope that eg and or tl will continue to participate in proleague even if this season doesn't work out. to me this feels like quite the investment despite the fact that high proleague standings are very difficult to achieve...
On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote: How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
they probably earn less money than puma did with his last contract, but yeah id still like to know where they get all that money from.
of course they are clearly the leading western team publicity- and skill-wise, but its hard to imagine they get thaaaat much money because of that. who knows, probably it is just like that.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
Oh well shit son, I wasn't aware of the idea of sponsors funding EG. The same sponsors that I can pretty much list because EG actually publicise them well. The same sponsors that sponsor EG for that exposure. Oh but yeah put something in latin to ram home your redundant point in a smug fashion, a point that I am perfectly aware of.
Even in 'real' sports the team does not directly earn the biggest football teams their cash. Sponsorship and the TV deals that come with it, global fanbases and merchandising all have an effect as well.
so you somewhat agree that they're paid for the show, not for play level, that's why JD was a great pick up, that also is why he's more encouraged in fulfilling his contract by hots-campaign streams than by training hard.
Dude it's Jaedong. Yeah his legend status and all-around aura gave him a leg up but he's got incredible potential. Stephano was huge, but picked primarily on playing ability imo, Thorzain likewise. Revival, Oz and Alive are hardly known in the foreign scene I find it hard to make a case for many of EG's pickups of late to be based on extraneous non-playing attributes. Some of them have marketability for sure, but alll of them are top-tier players as well, at least by the standards of foreign rosters.
EG can't win though, be lambasted for having players without results, lambasted for picking up a good roster of solid ones.
In his case, I also figure he wants to experience the foreign scene, good pickup all round, hell it might even motivate him to hit the very top again.
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer.
Keep thinking, NightEnd is still solid enough by foreign standards. Seems a bit harsh on the guy
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer.
Keep thinking, NightEnd is still solid enough by foreign standards. Seems a bit harsh on the guy
true... i think he can be compared to idra and huk skill wise. i hope they will again show what they showed in the past though
On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote: What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work? The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees.
so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors.
On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote: And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again.
Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years.
by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players.
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer.
Keep thinking, NightEnd is still solid enough by foreign standards. Seems a bit harsh on the guy
You know how there's the Grubby Line? I feel like there's a NightEnd line. NightEnd is the guy good enough to take games/series off the good foreign players. He's the worst player capable of consistently beating good players.
I dunno, I can't think of anyone he's particularly beaten or anything he's placed highly in other than WCSCE. He came second at WCS Combined Europe, playing one matchup and going 1-2 in series against biGs and Lowely, the only two decent players there. He went out 0-2 1-2 at the Europe finals to Thorzain and JohnnyRecco.
Hm alive dunno how good he is anymore and oz haven't heard much about him lately either. Interesting pick ups to be honest hope they are good and will show it now.
On March 28 2013 14:56 blade55555 wrote: Hm alive dunno how good he is anymore and oz haven't heard much about him lately either. Interesting pick ups to be honest hope they are good and will show it now.
aLive managed to qualify for Code A and beat Trap, so that's probably about what he is. mid to low Code A player
I like the idea of the Nightend line, but end of the day that doesn't make him one of the worst progamers in the foreign scene. Even someone of his calibre still pisses over much of the NA pros for the most part.
On March 28 2013 14:57 Wombat_NI wrote: I like the idea of the Nightend line, but end of the day that doesn't make him one of the worst progamers in the foreign scene. Even someone of his calibre still pisses over much of the NA pros for the most part.
Looking over the results from WCSNA... I don't see NightEnd rolling over any of the top 4, or over Illusion, Huk, Suppy or Goswser. I mean, we're living in a world where Maker is a pro player theoretically, and yeah, I would expect NightEnd to crush. But that would just confirm to me that Maker doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. If you aren't good enough to beat NightEnd with some frequency, then you aren't good enough to be a pro gamer. He's the line, to me.
Edit: Let's see what happens at the end of April at DreamHack. So far, the only Koreans announced are MC, HerO, Jaedong, ForGG and Zenio.
On March 28 2013 14:57 Wombat_NI wrote: I like the idea of the Nightend line, but end of the day that doesn't make him one of the worst progamers in the foreign scene. Even someone of his calibre still pisses over much of the NA pros for the most part.
Looking over the results from WCSNA... I don't see NightEnd rolling over any of the top 4, or over Illusion, Huk, Suppy or Goswser. I mean, we're living in a world where Maker is a pro player theoretically, and yeah, I would expect NightEnd to crush. But that would just confirm to me that Maker doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. If you aren't good enough to beat NightEnd with some frequency, then you aren't good enough to be a pro gamer. He's the line, to me.
Edit: Let's see what happens at the end of April at DreamHack. So far, the only Koreans announced are MC, HerO, Jaedong, ForGG and Hero.
Both strike me as players with potential. They very likely won't live up to what they can be on EG, but they're still better than most of the EG-TL lineup outside of Taeja and HerO(maybe better than him too as of late..) so a welcome addition for proleague. Especially since Stephano is now gone.
Alive especially. That guy was once made ro8 and ro4 appearances in back to back code S seasons, won IPL4(one of the hardest tournaments ever) and then followed it up with a decent 4th place at Iron Squid...
then he fell off into the abyss for whatever reason.
On March 28 2013 14:57 Wombat_NI wrote: I like the idea of the Nightend line, but end of the day that doesn't make him one of the worst progamers in the foreign scene. Even someone of his calibre still pisses over much of the NA pros for the most part.
Looking over the results from WCSNA... I don't see NightEnd rolling over any of the top 4, or over Illusion, Huk, Suppy or Goswser. I mean, we're living in a world where Maker is a pro player theoretically, and yeah, I would expect NightEnd to crush. But that would just confirm to me that Maker doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. If you aren't good enough to beat NightEnd with some frequency, then you aren't good enough to be a pro gamer. He's the line, to me.
Edit: Let's see what happens at the end of April at DreamHack. So far, the only Koreans announced are MC, HerO, Jaedong, ForGG and Hero.
On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote: How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
What assumptions about pro-gamer salaries are you making to even ask this question?
stephano and huk left their teams because eg offered to pay them muuuch more than their past teams (they stated that in interviews as far as i remember). also jaedong is probably getting a big salary as he is a superstar and he wouldve been picked up by another team if eg offered him a laughable amount of money
Seems like a solid pickup, Alive specialy at times showed briliant play. Who knows perhaps they can get back to there former level of play and would serieusly help out in proleague.
On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote: How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
What assumptions about pro-gamer salaries are you making to even ask this question?
stephano and huk left their teams because eg offered to pay them muuuch more than their past teams (they stated that in interviews as far as i remember). also jaedong is probably getting a big salary as he is a superstar and he wouldve been picked up by another team if eg offered him a laughable amount of money
aLive and Oz aren't Stephano/huk/jaedong though. its safe to say they don't make anywhere near the same amount of money.
EG is starting to remind me of my rich friends from high school that always had some new duds. Not the idiot rich kids either, with the flashy shit that goes out of style in two days; but the real cool stuff that instead of screaming rich/spoiled, hints at more than just the thin veneer of class. They walk it lightly and let the understatement speak volumes.
On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote: How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
What assumptions about pro-gamer salaries are you making to even ask this question?
stephano and huk left their teams because eg offered to pay them muuuch more than their past teams (they stated that in interviews as far as i remember). also jaedong is probably getting a big salary as he is a superstar and he wouldve been picked up by another team if eg offered him a laughable amount of money
aLive and Oz aren't Stephano/huk/jaedong though. its safe to say they don't make anywhere near the same amount of money.
yeah that is for sure, but i still think people would like to know where all that money to afford those players (jaedong, huk, stephano...) comes from
On March 28 2013 10:43 Azurues wrote: what about flash...
flash cost more then the whole fucking EG team together ^^ you want him ? give him 200k a year and he will come (as NADA got 200k a year i think thats what a flash gets ^^)
On March 28 2013 10:43 Azurues wrote: what about flash...
flash cost more then the whole fucking EG team together ^^ you want him ? give him 200k a year and he will come (as NADA got 200k a year i think thats what a flash gets ^^)
On March 28 2013 10:43 Azurues wrote: what about flash...
flash cost more then the whole fucking EG team together ^^ you want him ? give him 200k a year and he will come (as NADA got 200k a year i think thats what a flash gets ^^)
I can name two EG players that probably add up to 200k.
Granted, the transfer fee would probably be 2million.
On March 28 2013 16:01 jinorazi wrote: flash costs 250k to 300k / yr. i do wonder how much eg roster costs.
coach park doing his thang
the whole eg roster is above flash's salary that's pretty obvious, especially with Jaedongs and Stephano's salary. I imagine they pay out quite a lot per year.
I know that both of them are good friends with HerO at least, not sure about the rest of the team. Very happy to see them with EGTL! Good luck to everybody involved, I love these two guys.
On March 28 2013 15:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Both strike me as players with potential. They very likely won't live up to what they can be on EG, but they're still better than most of the EG-TL lineup outside of Taeja and HerO(maybe better than him too as of late..) so a welcome addition for proleague. Especially since Stephano is now gone.
Alive especially. That guy was once made ro8 and ro4 appearances in back to back code S seasons, won IPL4(one of the hardest tournaments ever) and then followed it up with a decent 4th place at Iron Squid...
then he fell off into the abyss for whatever reason.
Patch queen is the reason.
With the new medivac, mines and hellbats, i guess we will see an "in-shape" alive playing.
More players = Stronger team in SPL. It's easier to guess lineups and prepare for an opponent if there are less of them. Look at Woongjin. They're not necessarily a stacked team, but boy do they know how to prepare.
On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote: How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
What assumptions about pro-gamer salaries are you making to even ask this question?
stephano and huk left their teams because eg offered to pay them muuuch more than their past teams (they stated that in interviews as far as i remember). also jaedong is probably getting a big salary as he is a superstar and he wouldve been picked up by another team if eg offered him a laughable amount of money
aLive and Oz aren't Stephano/huk/jaedong though. its safe to say they don't make anywhere near the same amount of money.
I wouldn't be so sure about Stephano. Sure, overall they are not near his level, but when it comes to performance in Korea (which is why they were hired), they might be on par due to Stephano's dislike about staying there.
One thing about aLive and Oz is that they were both at the "top" of their respective of races a while back. With a solid training environment in EG-TL's house in korea and with coach park I think they can do very well in proleague and other tournaments once again.
On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote: How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
What assumptions about pro-gamer salaries are you making to even ask this question?
stephano and huk left their teams because eg offered to pay them muuuch more than their past teams (they stated that in interviews as far as i remember). also jaedong is probably getting a big salary as he is a superstar and he wouldve been picked up by another team if eg offered him a laughable amount of money
aLive and Oz aren't Stephano/huk/jaedong though. its safe to say they don't make anywhere near the same amount of money.
yeah that is for sure, but i still think people would like to know where all that money to afford those players (jaedong, huk, stephano...) comes from
Yeah Hwanni helping connect fnatic and EG most likely. I can see Oz being a good asset, he's always a beast in team league. And adding alive will hopefully bolster the terran firepower.
Since we've seen both aLive and Oz on the players' streams from the team house a coupla times, this really doesn't come as too much of a surprise. I wonder now whether Liquid will also add some more Koreans.
On March 28 2013 15:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Both strike me as players with potential. They very likely won't live up to what they can be on EG, but they're still better than most of the EG-TL lineup outside of Taeja and HerO(maybe better than him too as of late..) so a welcome addition for proleague. Especially since Stephano is now gone.
Alive especially. That guy was once made ro8 and ro4 appearances in back to back code S seasons, won IPL4(one of the hardest tournaments ever) and then followed it up with a decent 4th place at Iron Squid...
then he fell off into the abyss for whatever reason.
Well, he fell off after joining Fnatic. Not anything bad towards Fnatic but TSL probably had a much better practice environment for him.
Actually the same with Puma and (the Terran) Rain too. Anyone that left TSL did poorly afterwards it seems .
if it were still WoL I would say "meh, probably a good decision but by far not the best one" but now that everything is up in the air with HotS being in its baby shoes I hope they'll do well on EG
I'm surprised people say this. I guess Forgg asking Zoe for a good luck kiss, Zenio Throwing a rude gesture at Idra, Taeja speaking Spanish to a large audience, Keen gunning down all his team mates in a victory dance and MCs murloc suit just dont count ay?
I'm surprised people say this. I guess Forgg asking Zoe for a good luck kiss, Zenio Throwing a rude gesture at Idra, Taeja speaking Spanish to a large audience, Keen gunning down all his team mates in a victory dance and MCs murloc suit just dont count ay?
I'm surprised people say this. I guess Forgg asking Zoe for a good luck kiss, Zenio Throwing a rude gesture at Idra, Taeja speaking Spanish to a large audience, Keen gunning down all his team mates in a victory dance and MCs murloc suit just dont count ay?
awsome pick up , im exited for more Koreans in EG but would like to see some of the EG current "established" roster really push on and give the international scene a boost in success and belief also.
I like Oz being in EG. But aLive? It's not even that he's lacking personality. I think his best days may have come and gone. I honestly hope that he improves greatly for being in EG. His bio micro is pretty lackluster, even nonexistent. For his sake, he should either work on that, or start using some mech builds if he gets fielded in Proleague.
On March 28 2013 19:23 yoshi245 wrote: I like Oz being in EG. But aLive? It's not even that he's lacking personality. I think his best days may have come and gone. I honestly hope that he improves greatly for being in EG. His bio micro is pretty lackluster, even nonexistent. For his sake, he should either work on that, or start using some mech builds if he gets fielded in Proleague.
I kind of disagree. At least recently from as far as we've seen aLive has been playing better than Oz. He made it through prelims and then beat Trap and Nestea, losing to Life in the last round of Code A. Sure he didn't play that well in the Up and Downs, but Oz didn't even make Code A. Plus with HoTs, we can't be sure who really has skill atm.
If aLive can finally live up to all the insane amount of hype he gets, maybe it'll be a good pickup. I'm sure he's leagues ahead of the foreign roster of EG, but as he was cast as this "giant killer" I have yet to remember a mind-blowing performance by him. Good luck to him and Oz.
On March 28 2013 19:43 Mortal wrote: If aLive can finally live up to all the insane amount of hype he gets, maybe it'll be a good pickup. I'm sure he's leagues ahead of the foreign roster of EG, but as he was cast as this "giant killer" I have yet to remember a mind-blowing performance by him. Good luck to him and Oz.
aLive is hyped? Lol, he's like the most boring player of all time so there was even a point where he was underrated for how solid he played. There was like one GSL where Artosis said he was good but that's about it. Nowadays I think he's a pretty bad-ish player and everyone knows it so he's neither hyped nor underrated...
EG needs practice players, so any decent ones they can get is good for them. This is obviously not a "let's get all the superstarz!" move.
risky pick ups. They were not in shape at all lately and EG was not known until now to bring players back on track (more the other way around tbh). We'll see how that goes.
Oz is my favourite player. Been concerned and was wondering when he was going to finally get picked up. Looks like I'm going to have to start rooting for the darkside.
Nice pickups, but If EGTL wants to win proleague they need Dragon. We all know it, we can all picture it, Dragon trolling in Proleague for egtl would be so cool
A little surprised, though will hopefully see a lot more of Oz. I feel is is some what under-rated, by this, never seen much. Alive on the other hand is an amazing player, hopefully he will return to his prime. Whilst I tend to dislike Protoss as a race, mechanics, Oz changes that for me, whilst most other Protoss don't.
That time he beat Stephano, last year, at MLG arena was amazing.
On March 28 2013 19:43 Mortal wrote: If aLive can finally live up to all the insane amount of hype he gets, maybe it'll be a good pickup. I'm sure he's leagues ahead of the foreign roster of EG, but as he was cast as this "giant killer" I have yet to remember a mind-blowing performance by him. Good luck to him and Oz.
aLive is hyped? Lol, he's like the most boring player of all time so there was even a point where he was underrated for how solid he played. There was like one GSL where Artosis said he was good but that's about it. Nowadays I think he's a pretty bad-ish player and everyone knows it so he's neither hyped nor underrated...
EG needs practice players, so any decent ones they can get is good for them. This is obviously not a "let's get all the superstarz!" move.
He is an IPL champ and was the last player picked over and over again in GSL code s for quite a while. And raven rush t v t -_-
On March 28 2013 19:43 Mortal wrote: If aLive can finally live up to all the insane amount of hype he gets, maybe it'll be a good pickup. I'm sure he's leagues ahead of the foreign roster of EG, but as he was cast as this "giant killer" I have yet to remember a mind-blowing performance by him. Good luck to him and Oz.
aLive is hyped? Lol, he's like the most boring player of all time so there was even a point where he was underrated for how solid he played. There was like one GSL where Artosis said he was good but that's about it. Nowadays I think he's a pretty bad-ish player and everyone knows it so he's neither hyped nor underrated...
EG needs practice players, so any decent ones they can get is good for them. This is obviously not a "let's get all the superstarz!" move.
He is an IPL champ and was the last player picked over and over again in GSL code s for quite a while. And raven rush t v t -_-
But he never managed to do anything with his marines other than run them away...
On March 28 2013 20:11 AnomalySC2 wrote: Grats to Alive!
On March 28 2013 19:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 28 2013 19:43 Mortal wrote: If aLive can finally live up to all the insane amount of hype he gets, maybe it'll be a good pickup. I'm sure he's leagues ahead of the foreign roster of EG, but as he was cast as this "giant killer" I have yet to remember a mind-blowing performance by him. Good luck to him and Oz.
aLive is hyped? Lol, he's like the most boring player of all time so there was even a point where he was underrated for how solid he played. There was like one GSL where Artosis said he was good but that's about it. Nowadays I think he's a pretty bad-ish player and everyone knows it so he's neither hyped nor underrated...
EG needs practice players, so any decent ones they can get is good for them. This is obviously not a "let's get all the superstarz!" move.
He is an IPL champ and was the last player picked over and over again in GSL code s for quite a while. And raven rush t v t -_-
But he never managed to do anything with his marines other than run them away...
He has very crisp micro, not sure why you would say that.
On March 28 2013 20:42 HornyHerring wrote: Alive I understand, but Oz? He didn't show anything since he left FXO. That's a weird pickup for a team that only wants results from koreans.
He didn't perform that well in Korea, but it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. 1st: 2012 Ritmix Russian StarCraft II League Season 1st: 2012 MLG Spring Arena 2 Korea Qualifier 2nd: 2012 MLG vs Proleague Invitational 3rd: 2012 MLG Summer Arena 4-8th: Auction All Kill OSL
I think both Oz and Alive are good solid pickups for proleague!
Holy... That's a lot of players...and good players moreover. Where do you get all this money EG ? Tell me your secret. Anyways those 2 are some of my favorite players so you better treat them well :>D
Alive and Oz used to be near the top of their respective races, but have since fallen from grace. Neither of the two has done anything noteworthy in a long time. They could be okay fillers for Proleague, but I don't expect more than that.
On March 28 2013 21:09 BoggieMan wrote: People in this thread don't seem to know how good Oz is...
Yeah.. Oz might even be the best Protoss on EG-TL's lineup now. It's not like HerO and JYP have been showing great results recently so they should all be considered equal atm.
I feel like they have that strive to do well and that's why they were picked up. And I think they are willing to undergo the new training regimen that they have set up there.
On March 28 2013 20:11 AnomalySC2 wrote: Grats to Alive!
On March 28 2013 19:48 ZenithM wrote:
On March 28 2013 19:43 Mortal wrote: If aLive can finally live up to all the insane amount of hype he gets, maybe it'll be a good pickup. I'm sure he's leagues ahead of the foreign roster of EG, but as he was cast as this "giant killer" I have yet to remember a mind-blowing performance by him. Good luck to him and Oz.
aLive is hyped? Lol, he's like the most boring player of all time so there was even a point where he was underrated for how solid he played. There was like one GSL where Artosis said he was good but that's about it. Nowadays I think he's a pretty bad-ish player and everyone knows it so he's neither hyped nor underrated...
EG needs practice players, so any decent ones they can get is good for them. This is obviously not a "let's get all the superstarz!" move.
He is an IPL champ and was the last player picked over and over again in GSL code s for quite a while. And raven rush t v t -_-
But he never managed to do anything with his marines other than run them away...
He was disgustingly hyped. He was "that guy" no one in Korea could beat or wanted to play for a while. He clearly hasn't had shit for results akin to that (IPL is hardly GSL) but I was agreeing with you in that he doesn't deserve the hype he once had.
This is more like it, I expect their Proleague results to improve tenfold now. Such more depth of field with these guys on the team. Should be good to watch.
EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Oh, and dear EG, you de-signed Puma. Now pull the consequences. Why is HuK still playing? I see no results (correct me if I am wrong). And when I watch his games, I don't get the point of why exactly he joined EG. Kudos to him for the HuK on IdrA rivalry, and not-so-big-kudos for him leaving TL for EG's money. But his times is over, he's delivering bad games, even compared to normal foreigners as Lucifron, HasuObs or Snute.
On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote: EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Huk will still be there will he not? I mean it's only one guy, better than nothing I guess.
I was with you, I thought two foreign teams, especially with such resources could form a permanent 'base' that would actually ape the Korean practice structure, but be a bit more comfortable for foreigners to acclimitise to Korea, i.e not having them stay with a bunch of Koreans and the cultural/communication problems that might solve.
For whatever reason this hasn't happened yet. That said, if EGTL does start to perform up to standard, and integrates foreigners in the lineup over time it could have long-term positive results.
Plus, exposure to proper teamleagues I think will be good in the longterm, there aren't enough of them it seems to me.
Machine, HuK are no match in Proleague. Lol, you could send Minigun and he'd be doing better.
And concerning long-time-development in proleague: where is the long-termin progress if you don't get your foreign players to a better level, but rather buy in some more korean players? I don't believe that Oz and aLive are "training partners" only, as some guy stated before.
People forget that not all the money comes from their sponsors. I bet they sell a shitton of merchandise, all I see at events are EG/Liquid shirts. Casual established brands sell well I guess.
Also Alive is a really good player but he has zero personality, the only thing I remember from his IPL win was how fucking bored he looked after he won.
I actually like Idra don't get me wrong, you can tell I remembered that well because I was able to remember it so well. If I recall rightly he was disgusted at having dropped a previous series to Elfi, and a set to him in the final
On March 28 2013 10:45 mrRoflpwn wrote: Pretty cool. Alive has always been a great Terran. Oz on the other hand... he was always good but never really a top protoss. These days he is no where near the top. Ah well. I hope our boys in blue (both blues) can do better in round 4! EGTL fighting!
Oz is awesome for team league situations though. He is a true build order wizard which makes him a great sniper.
On March 28 2013 22:08 [Silverflame] wrote: Imo EG has just to many members... but I guess I love everything regarding eSports! ;D Looking forward to their performance!
With their new coach there is no downside to having an expanded lineup. He just simply knows who will work best and when. More players won't affect him at all.
On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote: EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Huk will still be there will he not? I mean it's only one guy, better than nothing I guess.
I was with you, I thought two foreign teams, especially with such resources could form a permanent 'base' that would actually ape the Korean practice structure, but be a bit more comfortable for foreigners to acclimitise to Korea, i.e not having them stay with a bunch of Koreans and the cultural/communication problems that might solve.
For whatever reason this hasn't happened yet. That said, if EGTL does start to perform up to standard, and integrates foreigners in the lineup over time it could have long-term positive results.
Plus, exposure to proper teamleagues I think will be good in the longterm, there aren't enough of them it seems to me.
Probably because most of the non-Korean players don't actually want to go to Korea. TLO and Snute seem to want to focus more on international events, as does Stephano, Sheth and Ret don't seem to enjoy Korea and IdrA wants to stay in the US in favor of streaming.
On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote: EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Huk will still be there will he not? I mean it's only one guy, better than nothing I guess.
I was with you, I thought two foreign teams, especially with such resources could form a permanent 'base' that would actually ape the Korean practice structure, but be a bit more comfortable for foreigners to acclimitise to Korea, i.e not having them stay with a bunch of Koreans and the cultural/communication problems that might solve.
For whatever reason this hasn't happened yet. That said, if EGTL does start to perform up to standard, and integrates foreigners in the lineup over time it could have long-term positive results.
Plus, exposure to proper teamleagues I think will be good in the longterm, there aren't enough of them it seems to me.
Probably because most of the non-Korean players don't actually want to go to Korea. TLO and Snute seem to want to focus more on international events, as does Stephano, Sheth and Ret don't seem to enjoy Korea and IdrA wants to stay in the US in favor of streaming.
They'll perhapsre-evaluate that decision in due course. I mean, there really aren't going to be much in the way of foreign prize money to be going out even outside of Korea. And this isn't just the MLGs of this world either, where that's nothing new, but the solid Koreans like ForGG who are actually based in Europe and the States can have their pick of a lot of the non-premiere tournaments too.
Woot! Totally called oz! He'll be a big help in Proleague, and aLive doesn't have performance anxiety on Korean soil, so he'll be a better proleague terran than puma.
On March 28 2013 10:44 xuanzue wrote: hmm EG-TL is lacking of zergs now.
Did i miss the announcement about Stephano, Revival and JaeDong leaving?
On March 28 2013 22:22 DavoS wrote: Woot! Totally called oz! He'll be a big help in Proleague, and aLive doesn't have performance anxiety on Korean soil, so he'll be a better proleague terran than puma.
On March 28 2013 22:22 DavoS wrote: Woot! Totally called oz! He'll be a big help in Proleague, and aLive doesn't have performance anxiety on Korean soil, so he'll be a better proleague terran than puma.
On March 28 2013 22:22 DavoS wrote: Woot! Totally called oz! He'll be a big help in Proleague, and aLive doesn't have performance anxiety on Korean soil, so he'll be a better proleague terran than puma.
On March 28 2013 10:44 xuanzue wrote: hmm EG-TL is lacking of zergs now.
Did i miss the announcement about Stephano, Revival and JaeDong leaving?
Well, rumors have it, that Stephano is in fact leaving...
huh...where did you read that lol? He is just leaving GSL
On March 28 2013 21:53 Bowzar wrote: People forget that not all the money comes from their sponsors. I bet they sell a shitton of merchandise, all I see at events are EG/Liquid shirts. Casual established brands sell well I guess.
Also Alive is a really good player but he has zero personality, the only thing I remember from his IPL win was how fucking bored he looked after he won.
He shows his personality through his inspired gameplay. Also, who cares if he is shy outside of the game anyways? I'm not exactly watching esports to enjoy a reality tv show or something, I just want to see good games.
it's really fun how you guys all discussing team money matters like these persons are supra rich kids throwing money away while they're in fact managing a true investement in some very very very dire niche that I believe is pretty ridiculous compared to the ammount of money other kespa teams are running with.
Imagine that the team8 sponsorless team was only afforded by kespa with player salary raised upon creation (including big names like jaedong) and with a roster larger than EG-TL I believe.
So that means that even the "sponsorless" team in the system has already a larger financial backing than the foreign "sponsored" team entering the thing.
Unless I'm 100% wrong and EG is multimillion company, I can tell you guys are blowing some huge money fantasy out of all the EG-TL recruiting thing.
On March 28 2013 22:08 [Silverflame] wrote: Imo EG has just to many members... but I guess I love everything regarding eSports! ;D Looking forward to their performance!
They play in pro league. If anything they have a giant lack in members. For every kespa a teamer there are like 5 b teamers that have to do whatever said a teamer tells them to, where as eg has a bunch of talented players that lack the right practice.
On March 28 2013 22:08 [Silverflame] wrote: Imo EG has just to many members... but I guess I love everything regarding eSports! ;D Looking forward to their performance!
They play in pro league. If anything they have a giant lack in members. For every kespa a teamer there are like 5 b teamers that have to do whatever said a teamer tells them to, where as eg has a bunch of talented players that lack the right practice.
I'm actually happy because both players are not players you'd expect to go and win big tournaments and the GSL but they are lethal in 1-1 combat in team leagues. They can both easily take games off even the best opponent in the bo1.
Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
On March 28 2013 23:00 seoul_kiM wrote: I'm actually happy because both players are not players you'd expect to go and win big tournaments and the GSL but they are lethal in 1-1 combat in team leagues. They can both easily take games off even the best opponent in the bo1.
Couldn't have said it better myself... Egtl fighting!
On March 28 2013 22:43 Boonbag wrote: Unless I'm 100% wrong and EG is multimillion company,
Saying "multimillion" company doesn't mean an awful lot. A multimillion company is NOT all that big.
I fully expect EG's turnover really does run into multiple millions. They've been around for 14 years now. According to their website they maintain teams for Street Fighter IV, Starcraft II, Counter Strike, League of Legends, DOTA2 and WoW.
In SC2 alone they have a Korean training facility and IIRC they've got a US teamhouse. They pay their players salaries. They're funding two coaches one of whom is Coach Park who has a family and so the money must be good enough for that. Presumably Alex and the other management people also do this as their main job and so will be drawing salaries themselves. All in all you're looking at 13 players and 7 staff members for SC2. Twenty people, all presumably drawing salaries from EG. Plus the support infrastructure for running a team such as covering expenses like flights.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the SC2 division alone broke the million in turnover mark.
On March 28 2013 22:08 [Silverflame] wrote: Imo EG has just to many members... but I guess I love everything regarding eSports! ;D Looking forward to their performance!
They play in pro league. If anything they have a giant lack in members. For every kespa a teamer there are like 5 b teamers that have to do whatever said a teamer tells them to, where as eg has a bunch of talented players that lack the right practice.
exactly, people have no idea
Exactly, players do not get as good as Flash by grinding the ladder. There is some really focused practice that goes on in all the Kespa houses. The ladder is only one tool for them to use. Having a group of solid practice partners is key to making sure your players are at the top of their game. It also keeps your builds in house, which is critical. The NA and EU scene are way behind on this part of the game, but I expect they will try to catch up and get better systems for practice.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
not really strange. We care in real sports if our NFL players are doing drugs and stuff, we want them off the team. I think personality is great for SC II, the more insight and emotion we see from them is actually a good thing for viewers and players.
Good pickups, they were both once top class, let's see if they can reach that level of form again under EG. Hwanni did manage to have them do quite well at the start with fnatic, it was not until he left that they went into a massive decline I think.
On March 28 2013 22:48 Burns wrote: To be honest, I never really understood why EG picks up the players they pick up. I feel as though TL makes much better player acquisitions.
However, congrats to both Alive and Oz
You know I was making a lot of noise when HaydeR got picked up by TL. Apparently I wasn't the only one. Same deal when they chose Zenio as one of their first Korean's from oGs. I thought they were both terrible pick-ups and what do you know. I truly hope Zenio proves me wrong one day. With that said, aLive and Oz aren't supposed to be saviors. Don't expect them to start winning everything, but they will provide the team with a good backbone to compete. KeSPA teams other than Team 8 have big rosters. This move makes EG more dynamic and who hasn't heard of aLive or Oz?
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
on the other hand it's true. I mean what do you really know from your favorite football players? (f.e.) There is nothing more than scandals and standard phrases in interviews.
Sick pickup. I love both aLive and Oz. Also, even more excited that it is with Proleague in mind that despite poor performance in the last round by EGTL, that they are working hard to turn things around and not just throwing in the towel. I'm hoping Oz can make a big return to glory under EG!
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
It's called building a brand.
Not only that it's actually pretty easy to market players. In many cases all you have to do is up the volume a notch on who they are.
It's difficult to build a brand in a language you don't understand. What most people want is a person who is more willing to open up and be honest and maybe even a little less formal about their feelings. Korean culture doesn't really embrace a "trash talk" culture, but anything is possible I guess. Someone like MC should be on EG really, they could develop his fan base easily.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
on the other hand it's true. I mean what do you really know from your favorite football players? (f.e.) There is nothing more than scandals and standard phrases in interviews.
Exactly, but the players that take the time to endear themselves to the fans are the most loved. My favorite Red Sox player in member was Tim Wakefield, a knuckleball pitcher who signed the same contract with the Sox every year, because he loved the game and didn’t want to move. Although he was not the highest scoring player or star pitcher, the idea of a guy showing up to play ball every day just because he liked the job endeared him to me for years.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice.
The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it.
Flash doesn't really have a 'personality', he has an aura because he is Flash and that builds a kind of story behind him. Is it Curious whose very lack of a personality kind of IS his personality?
Anyway, great picks. EG have been making solid picks for a good while now, you don't even need to read the press release to know [i]why[\i] they made these picks. An identifiable rationale is great to see. Liquids picks aren't too shabby either, it was a real coup to get Sea, shame it didn't work out.
On March 29 2013 00:41 Wombat_NI wrote: Flash doesn't really have a 'personality', he has an aura because he is Flash and that builds a kind of story behind him. Is it Curious whose very lack of a personality kind of IS his personality?
Anyway, great picks. EG have been making solid picks for a good while now, you don't even need to read the press release to know [i]why[\i] they made these picks. An identifiable rationale is great to see. Liquids picks aren't too shabby either, it was a real coup to get Sea, shame it didn't work out.
Curious used to be a stone cold killer but he has really started coming out of his shell these days
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice.
The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it.
Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD.
I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something.
On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote: EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Oh, and dear EG, you de-signed Puma. Now pull the consequences. Why is HuK still playing? I see no results (correct me if I am wrong). And when I watch his games, I don't get the point of why exactly he joined EG. Kudos to him for the HuK on IdrA rivalry, and not-so-big-kudos for him leaving TL for EG's money. But his times is over, he's delivering bad games, even compared to normal foreigners as Lucifron, HasuObs or Snute.
On March 28 2013 22:48 Burns wrote: To be honest, I never really understood why EG picks up the players they pick up. I feel as though TL makes much better player acquisitions.
However, congrats to both Alive and Oz
You know I was making a lot of noise when HaydeR got picked up by TL. Apparently I wasn't the only one. Same deal when they chose Zenio as one of their first Korean's from oGs. I thought they were both terrible pick-ups and what do you know. I truly hope Zenio proves me wrong one day. With that said, aLive and Oz aren't supposed to be saviors. Don't expect them to start winning everything, but they will provide the team with a good backbone to compete. KeSPA teams other than Team 8 have big rosters. This move makes EG more dynamic and who hasn't heard of aLive or Oz?
Are the KeSPA teams really that much bigger nowadays?
By watching the official lineups EG-TL is only beaten by KT Rolster's 14 man lineup while EG-TL is on 13 players (with 10 being part of the Proleague lineup). CJ Entus and Team8 are the other teams with 10 players, STX has 11. But CJ and STX have people that doesn't even play, but let's say they act like b-teamers and practice anyway. The rest of the teams have 13 or less players. SKT have 13 players with 4 listed trainees. The other teams don't list their trainees. As we can see the lineups are pretty thin A and B-team wise.
From what I have read thru this whole sc2 switch and with the LoL domination is that the Starcraft divisions in KeSPA teams have had a pretty big cut money wise because SC isn't popular anymore and most KeSPA teams have 1 or more LoL teams. Do they really have this sea of "slave trainees" like people make it out to be? I seriously doubt it is anything like the glory days of BW.
EG-TL isn't in such a disadvantage like people want to believe. Sure, the KeSPA teams have the upper hand with their whole structure because of no language barriers and they have a couple of coaches for specific races working with the players full time which EG-TL does not, but they don't out number EG-TL in players.
Great to see EG picking up more quality players. There was way too much whining about EG's 'money' a year ago, but with so many teams and events folding I hope people will think twice before talking smack about organisations with the money to expand and keep the scene alive.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice.
The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it.
Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD.
I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something.
People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass.
Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice.
The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it.
Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD.
I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something.
People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass.
Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
Sorry for that, and no I wasn't trying to claim any of the players you listed are unskilled. I was just explaining how I view the players I enjoy watching. MMA's tank medivac drop micro on taldarim plus his sexy thor rush in t v p are when I became a fan, personally. Also I'm pretty sure everyone likes MKP.
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice.
The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it.
Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD.
I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something.
People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass.
Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
Sorry for that, and no I wasn't trying to claim any of the players you listed are unskilled. I was just explaining how I view the players I enjoy watching. MMA's tank medivac drop micro on taldarim plus his sexy thor rush in t v p are when I became a fan, personally. Also I'm pretty sure everyone likes MKP.
I dislike MKP for his attempts to Imagine what Elton John would look like reincarnated as a Korean progamer. Respect the fuck out of his play, but find his style a bit gimmicky
On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote: Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^
I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol.
Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance.
And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving.
I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD.
That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice.
The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it.
Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD.
I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something.
People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass.
Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
You argue this in every thread...
EGTL will hopefully get better and win some series in PL.
On March 28 2013 22:48 Burns wrote: To be honest, I never really understood why EG picks up the players they pick up. I feel as though TL makes much better player acquisitions.
However, congrats to both Alive and Oz
You know I was making a lot of noise when HaydeR got picked up by TL. Apparently I wasn't the only one. Same deal when they chose Zenio as one of their first Korean's from oGs. I thought they were both terrible pick-ups and what do you know. I truly hope Zenio proves me wrong one day. With that said, aLive and Oz aren't supposed to be saviors. Don't expect them to start winning everything, but they will provide the team with a good backbone to compete. KeSPA teams other than Team 8 have big rosters. This move makes EG more dynamic and who hasn't heard of aLive or Oz?
Are the KeSPA teams really that much bigger nowadays?
By watching the official lineups EG-TL is only beaten by KT Rolster's 14 man lineup while EG-TL is on 13 players (with 10 being part of the Proleague lineup). CJ Entus and Team8 are the other teams with 10 players, STX has 11. But CJ and STX have people that doesn't even play, but let's say they act like b-teamers and practice anyway. The rest of the teams have 13 or less players. SKT have 13 players with 4 listed trainees. The other teams don't list their trainees. As we can see the lineups are pretty thin A and B-team wise.
From what I have read thru this whole sc2 switch and with the LoL domination is that the Starcraft divisions in KeSPA teams have had a pretty big cut money wise because SC isn't popular anymore and most KeSPA teams have 1 or more LoL teams. Do they really have this sea of "slave trainees" like people make it out to be? I seriously doubt it is anything like the glory days of BW.
EG-TL isn't in such a disadvantage like people want to believe. Sure, the KeSPA teams have the upper hand with their whole structure because of no language barriers and they have a couple of coaches for specific races working with the players full time which EG-TL does not, but they don't out number EG-TL in players.
That's the thing. You only have so many rosters slots on the bench and not all training/practice partners are listed. Heck a lot of them never earned their licenses in the BW days yet they would come in to help with training. Your A-Team is the bench and before each round we usually only see minor adjustments made. This sea of slave trainees is a myth and yes it's nothing like the glory days but they do exist in the same vein Korean guilds still exist.
On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote: EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Oh, and dear EG, you de-signed Puma. Now pull the consequences. Why is HuK still playing? I see no results (correct me if I am wrong). And when I watch his games, I don't get the point of why exactly he joined EG. Kudos to him for the HuK on IdrA rivalry, and not-so-big-kudos for him leaving TL for EG's money. But his times is over, he's delivering bad games, even compared to normal foreigners as Lucifron, HasuObs or Snute.
its a hard choice:
make playoffs or make white people happy.
I think you guys are looking at this in the wrong way. Making the playoffs is a bit of a stretch. Lower your expectations and hope EG show better results in the next few rounds. You have to crawl before you can walk; you have to to walk before you can run. One step at a time folks. The goal here is making progress.
Oz should be an amazing pick-up for Proleague. He had that 3 Nexus at 4:15 into Stargate build on Daybreak that he made work every time he used it last year...
aLive is also a great addition. He's always been a great player and Terran got a huge buff in HotS.
On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote: EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Oh, and dear EG, you de-signed Puma. Now pull the consequences. Why is HuK still playing? I see no results (correct me if I am wrong). And when I watch his games, I don't get the point of why exactly he joined EG. Kudos to him for the HuK on IdrA rivalry, and not-so-big-kudos for him leaving TL for EG's money. But his times is over, he's delivering bad games, even compared to normal foreigners as Lucifron, HasuObs or Snute.
its a hard choice:
make playoffs or make white people happy.
Let's start with something more realistic. Not getting utterly destroyed every single match.
I'm surprised people say this. I guess Forgg asking Zoe for a good luck kiss, Zenio Throwing a rude gesture at Idra, Taeja speaking Spanish to a large audience, Keen gunning down all his team mates in a victory dance and MCs murloc suit just dont count ay?
GanZi's Gangnam Style, the Koreans-at-Twitch day, Leenock's dances, MC's no-skill-just-lucky and a whole bunch of others come to mind too.
There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote: There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote: There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
To be perfectly honest, I find Korean players, in general, to be more interesting, and more relatable, than 99.99999% of foreigners.
On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote: There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
I agree that "hiding behind the translator" is a big issue.
It's weird when you compare them to someone like White-ra, he has pretty terrible English but his personality still shines through and makes him one of the biggest favorites in the community. Polt does pretty much all his interviews in English and I think that has gained him a ton of fans, he's certainly one of the most popular Korean terrans. Simply switching to English would make a ton of fans for many of these guys.
On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote: There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
I agree that "hiding behind the translator" is a big issue.
It's weird when you compare them to someone like White-ra, he has pretty terrible English but his personality still shines through and makes him one of the biggest favorites in the community. Polt does pretty much all his interviews in English and I think that has gained him a ton of fans, he's certainly one of the most popular Korean terrans. Simply switching to English would make a ton of fans for many of these guys.
You forget that Polt is a magnificently handsome specimen of a man as well and has some pretty decent English these days, that's a lot to expect the average Korean pro to live up to!
Maybe EG are actually trying to have a good SC2 team and win some games now. Investing in a Korean coach and getting in two non-"personality" players is an indication maybe they are trying to be more than a giant advertising company and get some results.
On March 29 2013 02:52 Bagi wrote: There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
Also keep in mind that the Korean who streams most often is Dragon, and he clearly is a pretty wacky dude. How much of it is just exposure - Koreans don't seem interesting because we never see or hear from them except short interviews run through a translator?
I agree that "hiding behind the translator" is a big issue.
It's weird when you compare them to someone like White-ra, he has pretty terrible English but his personality still shines through and makes him one of the biggest favorites in the community. Polt does pretty much all his interviews in English and I think that has gained him a ton of fans, he's certainly one of the most popular Korean terrans. Simply switching to English would make a ton of fans for many of these guys.
You forget that Polt is a magnificently handsome specimen of a man as well and has some pretty decent English these days, that's a lot to expect the average Korean pro to live up to!
MC started out with terrible English (check out his NASL application), but he put clearly put effort into learning it and I think the results speak for themselves. He's universally known as a total nerd baller.
While I won't disagree that Polt is one handsome dude, I think for any Korean who wants to make it big in the foreigner scene, learning and actually using English helps out a ton. Unless you are MVP or Life and can just win everyone over with your amazing play of course.
Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote: Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games.
On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote: Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games.
Watch this week’s Pulse with Alex Garfield. He addresses that subject and says it has been a failing of the team to not provide better coaching for the players.
On March 29 2013 03:21 Lonyo wrote: Maybe EG are actually trying to have a good SC2 team and win some games now. Investing in a Korean coach and getting in two non-"personality" players is an indication maybe they are trying to be more than a giant advertising company and get some results.
You know that when you're running an eSport team, results aren't the only thing you should focus on right? I mean, sure results is an important part, but you won't be successful as a team based on results only. There's a lot more to it.
On topic, nice pickup for EG. Glad to see a new terran and protoss, will add more diversity in their line-up. Now let's wait and see how these 2 perform in PL. EG-TL Fighting!!
On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote: Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games.
Watch this week’s Pulse with Alex Garfield. He addresses that subject and says it has been a failing of the team to not provide better coaching for the players.
At least for the korean side of things there seems to be a real effort on good coaching. So if the new headcoach cant handle them, he sure will have a good idea what to do, to make it happen. He was not sucessfull without a reason. I dont like the situation for the foreigner side of things though. It isnt even EG`s fault. There are no good non-korean coaches. And you can see what happens when coaches cant reach their players due to a language barrier, every week in pro-football (not handegg). Anyways good luck to the EG guys. They seem to make a lot happen for their pro-league endevour. I wish TL would give more input into this too. At this point they should be happy if they are ever mentioned.
On March 29 2013 05:37 may0nnaise wrote: Hrmm, just an observation, but EG hasn't seemed to help many players in terms of skill. Many have stagnated or even fallen off a bit. I wish aLive and Oz the best for 2013, though!
Only real exception that I can think of is Suppy, unless it is just that I didn't really pay attention to him beforehand. Not that he is some god now, but he has shown some good games.
Watch this week’s Pulse with Alex Garfield. He addresses that subject and says it has been a failing of the team to not provide better coaching for the players.
Does anyone actually think EG is in this to develop player talent? They buy popular players at their peak for a quick buck and then let them stagnate.
Puma is pretty much the only EG player who managed to improve after joining the team, I guess that's what made him so special for them.
Puma got worse on EG if anything. They're picking up Alive who is in Code A iirc, and Oz who is in the dreaded depths of Code B and EG are picking them up now, rather than when they were Code S staples. Alive is not particularly popular if you read a lot of the comments here and Oz is something of a 'hipster favourite'
On March 29 2013 06:24 Wombat_NI wrote: Puma got worse on EG if anything. They're picking up Alive who is in Code A iirc, and Oz who is in the dreaded depths of Code B and EG are picking them up now, rather than when they were Code S staples. Alive is not particularly popular if you read a lot of the comments here and Oz is something of a 'hipster favourite'
In the case of Puma it might've been just a matter of exposure, but he went from winning NASL1 before joining to winning a ton more tournaments after joining. Whether he improved is hard to say.
Their latest pickups haven't been in the same vein I guess, they feel more like emergency additions to their proleague team since they are failing so badly.
I guess, but if they were going for emergency pickups would they not go for guys who are currently in good form? Not that there's that many of them available mind.
Weird pickups in my opinion. Does anyone see them doing great things given the current crop of pros and where the game is heading? I certainly don't. Not a lot of upside.
When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
I don't understand this at all... Why ditch a korean in a slump and hire two koreans in slumps? Obviously they have potential but I just don't see them being top 100 material any time soon.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
Everytime I've seen Nerchio at a LAN he stands around awkwardly not knowing what to do with his arms. It's like saying Scarlett has a personality because she dances her units. When people talk about personality, they're referring to the in-person aspect, which Nerchio has proved to not have any.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
sounds like everyone in this community is a personality to you
Sounds like you have no arguments to make
we talk about personality and you come up with some stupid online stuff. thats not what people are talking about when they talk about personality.
What else would it be? Do you think these people saying Koreans lack personality have actually talked to every Korean player in person? Because apparently "stupid online stuff" does not count?
Fuck MC, his interviews are just stupid online stuff, he has no personality.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
sounds like everyone in this community is a personality to you
Sounds like you have no arguments to make
we talk about personality and you come up with some stupid online stuff. thats not what people are talking about when they talk about personality.
What else would it be? Do you think these people saying Koreans lack personality have actually talked to every Korean player in person? Because apparently "stupid online stuff" does not count?
Fuck MC, his interviews are just stupid online stuff, he has no personality.
MC also says this stuff on stage live Oo but ok.
and like i said keep nerchio out if you want. still doesn't change anything about the other ones.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
sounds like everyone in this community is a personality to you
Sounds like you have no arguments to make
we talk about personality and you come up with some stupid online stuff. thats not what people are talking about when they talk about personality.
What else would it be? Do you think these people saying Koreans lack personality have actually talked to every Korean player in person? Because apparently "stupid online stuff" does not count?
Fuck MC, his interviews are just stupid online stuff, he has no personality.
Yeah fuck MC, it's not like he does ceremonies, throat cuts, and other random shit in person. Oh wait.
On March 29 2013 10:46 jinorazi wrote: i thought personality is looking cool with make up, upbeat/rock music playing with cool graphics dancing around you. girls love this shit.
On March 29 2013 09:15 rasers wrote: When people bring this personality stuff up. i always get foreigners in mind that are just as boring like the "typical" korean.most people here claim to be boring and faceless. ^_^ Scarlett , Heromarine , kas , bly , Nerchio , Sase ,Lucifron , Vortix , Snute. etc.
but hey Foreigners full of personality
Nerchio, the Idra of the EU server, has no personality? ROFL.
I too can choose not to follow an entire scene (I see you have plenty of EU names there) and then claim they don't have any personality. Doesn't make it so.
oh talking shit on ladder = personality? that would mean 90% have a personality.
well for americans it is always "make reality TV first. and if you get lucky somehow become good".
Why would you assume its just about talking shit on ladder? He is very similar in interviews, being almost too harsh with his opinions, previously also known for his balance complaints when zerg wasn't doing too well. Because of certain statements he also has had a feud with Mana, who was unable to beat Nerchio until very lately. Nerchios stream with commentary is hilarious to watch if you ever manage to catch it, filled with dry humor and sarcasm.
sounds like everyone in this community is a personality to you
Sounds like you have no arguments to make
we talk about personality and you come up with some stupid online stuff. thats not what people are talking about when they talk about personality.
What else would it be? Do you think these people saying Koreans lack personality have actually talked to every Korean player in person? Because apparently "stupid online stuff" does not count?
Fuck MC, his interviews are just stupid online stuff, he has no personality.
MC also says this stuff on stage live Oo but ok.
and like i said keep nerchio out if you want. still doesn't change anything about the other ones.
You have 7 bans and 7 warnings. The fact you're still here astounds me. Edit: Make that 8 warnings.
On March 29 2013 10:46 jinorazi wrote: i thought personality is looking cool with make up, upbeat/rock music playing with cool graphics dancing around you. girls love this shit.
On March 29 2013 10:46 jinorazi wrote: i thought personality is looking cool with make up, upbeat/rock music playing with cool graphics dancing around you. girls love this shit.
I actually tot aLive had improved alot from when he was slumping last year and Oz has been good but not great from the beginning. He only showed stellar results due to him coming out good builds and countering the metagame. However so I do believe that Both have ahuge amount of potential in them if they are dedicated in practise
i always notice the red warning text before the message contents. this particular case caused me to chuckle quite ebulliently
edit: on topic, i remember the absolute tears alive went through on a few occasions in 2012. here's hoping he can do similar on evil geniuses, nice pickup!
On April 12 2013 05:36 zJayy962 wrote: Holy crap these pick ups for EG are sick.
On the 26th page of this thread you read something that has been said 1234234 times before in this thread (user has 1.2k posts) and one post that at least made a few people laugh (user has 50 posts edit: 30posts, and he is the one who gets warned...)
Not really tough to decide which of the two posts is really unnecessary...
EPT
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