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What great pickups, now its time to own up Round 4 of Prologue, so sick of seeing EG-TL getting crushed..
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On March 28 2013 23:35 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 22:48 Burns wrote:
To be honest, I never really understood why EG picks up the players they pick up. I feel as though TL makes much better player acquisitions.
However, congrats to both Alive and Oz You know I was making a lot of noise when HaydeR got picked up by TL. Apparently I wasn't the only one. Same deal when they chose Zenio as one of their first Korean's from oGs. I thought they were both terrible pick-ups and what do you know. I truly hope Zenio proves me wrong one day. With that said, aLive and Oz aren't supposed to be saviors. Don't expect them to start winning everything, but they will provide the team with a good backbone to compete. KeSPA teams other than Team 8 have big rosters. This move makes EG more dynamic and who hasn't heard of aLive or Oz?
Are the KeSPA teams really that much bigger nowadays?
By watching the official lineups EG-TL is only beaten by KT Rolster's 14 man lineup while EG-TL is on 13 players (with 10 being part of the Proleague lineup). CJ Entus and Team8 are the other teams with 10 players, STX has 11. But CJ and STX have people that doesn't even play, but let's say they act like b-teamers and practice anyway. The rest of the teams have 13 or less players. SKT have 13 players with 4 listed trainees. The other teams don't list their trainees. As we can see the lineups are pretty thin A and B-team wise.
From what I have read thru this whole sc2 switch and with the LoL domination is that the Starcraft divisions in KeSPA teams have had a pretty big cut money wise because SC isn't popular anymore and most KeSPA teams have 1 or more LoL teams. Do they really have this sea of "slave trainees" like people make it out to be? I seriously doubt it is anything like the glory days of BW.
EG-TL isn't in such a disadvantage like people want to believe. Sure, the KeSPA teams have the upper hand with their whole structure because of no language barriers and they have a couple of coaches for specific races working with the players full time which EG-TL does not, but they don't out number EG-TL in players.
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Great to see EG picking up more quality players. There was way too much whining about EG's 'money' a year ago, but with so many teams and events folding I hope people will think twice before talking smack about organisations with the money to expand and keep the scene alive.
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I used to brush it off, but I'm starting to believe in the EG curse 
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On March 29 2013 00:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:15 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 00:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:36 Plansix wrote:On March 28 2013 23:10 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote:
Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^ I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol. Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance. And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving. I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD. That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice. The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it. Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD. I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something.
People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass.
Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
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On March 29 2013 01:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 29 2013 00:15 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 00:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:36 Plansix wrote:On March 28 2013 23:10 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote:
Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^ I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol. Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance. And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving. I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD. That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice. The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it. Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD. I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something. People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass. Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
Sorry for that, and no I wasn't trying to claim any of the players you listed are unskilled. I was just explaining how I view the players I enjoy watching. MMA's tank medivac drop micro on taldarim plus his sexy thor rush in t v p are when I became a fan, personally. Also I'm pretty sure everyone likes MKP.
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On March 29 2013 01:16 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 01:03 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 00:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 29 2013 00:15 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 00:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:36 Plansix wrote:On March 28 2013 23:10 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote:
Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^ I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol. Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance. And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving. I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD. That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice. The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it. Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD. I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something. People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass. Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary. Sorry for that, and no I wasn't trying to claim any of the players you listed are unskilled. I was just explaining how I view the players I enjoy watching. MMA's tank medivac drop micro on taldarim plus his sexy thor rush in t v p are when I became a fan, personally. Also I'm pretty sure everyone likes MKP.
I dislike MKP for his attempts to Imagine what Elton John would look like reincarnated as a Korean progamer. Respect the fuck out of his play, but find his style a bit gimmicky
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On March 29 2013 01:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:44 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 29 2013 00:15 Plansix wrote:On March 29 2013 00:01 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:36 Plansix wrote:On March 28 2013 23:10 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 28 2013 23:03 Gihi wrote:
Great news, kind of worried that they don't stick with their general popular player strategy, can't really call Alive fan-interactive. Hope they turn both of them in great personalities ^^ I still find it strange that people care so much about the player's personality outside of the game lol. Players with personality are fun and make the game more enjoyable when they win. No one is going to say that MC ruins a game with his over the top personality. Even Flash has well cultivated personality as this unrelenting practice machine and guy who is never happy with his performance. And lets never forget Keen’s amazing celebration from GSL. It is the gift that keeps on giving. I guess but it seems like out of game personality is the only thing people care about. SC2 esports, the soap opera xD. That’s not true for most fans, I think they have favorite players for a number of reasons. For me, I cheer for the person rather than their mechanics. I will always cheer for MC because he comes up with creative builds, plays and loves to please the crowd. I like MKP and Hero because they clearly give a shit and wear their heart’s on their sleeve. Flash is growing on me as well, but I like him more for how modest he is and his focus on raw practice. The same goes for foreign players. I want to see Grubby and Idra do well, because I enjoy watching them play. I want to be at a barcraft if Idra wins an MLG and gets over mental blocks. Why? Because it would be awesome to be a part of. But I am an outlier in the community, it think, because I am used to waiting and cheering for the loser. I waited for my whole life to watch the Red Sox win a world series. Let me tell you, it sucked for a long time, but it was worth it. Well I guess I'm in the minority. My favorite players in sc2 are Gumiho and MMA simply because they provide great games with style and skill. Gumiho's ridiculously chaotic multi tasking with refreshing openers is how I think of him, but I don't really know anything about him as a person lol. With MMA you know he will bring something powerful and new to the table in terms of strategy, not to mention his micro is sick. About the only thing I know of his personality is he hadoukened Idra on stage at MLG xD. I guess I'm saying I prefer skill and creativity in game to the player's out of game personality. If I wanted to watch a reality tv show I'd just go turn on the TV, or something. People from the Boston area have a love affair with rooting for the underdog. We can’t help it. And its not like the players I listed on unskilled. Hero, MC and MKP are all very talented players, but they need some guidance to get to the next level. I like MMA, but he never caught my eye or stood out from other players beyond that fact that I knew he was badass. Also, you might want to avoid the pass aggressive digs a people who like players for their personality. None of the players I listed are particularly bad or unskilled. The whole “reality show” comments are unnecessary.
You argue this in every thread...
EGTL will hopefully get better and win some series in PL.
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well this is a random pickup, i guess the new coach wanted them?
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On March 29 2013 01:26 Csong wrote:
well this is a random pickup, i guess the new coach wanted them?
They needed another Terran and aLive is the best available in Korea
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On March 28 2013 19:22 AyaaLa wrote:
Lololol. They add the terran with the worst marine control in the world. Goodluck EG.. i guess..
dumb
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On March 29 2013 00:57 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 23:35 StarStruck wrote:On March 28 2013 22:48 Burns wrote:
To be honest, I never really understood why EG picks up the players they pick up. I feel as though TL makes much better player acquisitions.
However, congrats to both Alive and Oz You know I was making a lot of noise when HaydeR got picked up by TL. Apparently I wasn't the only one. Same deal when they chose Zenio as one of their first Korean's from oGs. I thought they were both terrible pick-ups and what do you know. I truly hope Zenio proves me wrong one day. With that said, aLive and Oz aren't supposed to be saviors. Don't expect them to start winning everything, but they will provide the team with a good backbone to compete. KeSPA teams other than Team 8 have big rosters. This move makes EG more dynamic and who hasn't heard of aLive or Oz? Are the KeSPA teams really that much bigger nowadays? By watching the official lineups EG-TL is only beaten by KT Rolster's 14 man lineup while EG-TL is on 13 players (with 10 being part of the Proleague lineup). CJ Entus and Team8 are the other teams with 10 players, STX has 11. But CJ and STX have people that doesn't even play, but let's say they act like b-teamers and practice anyway. The rest of the teams have 13 or less players. SKT have 13 players with 4 listed trainees. The other teams don't list their trainees. As we can see the lineups are pretty thin A and B-team wise. From what I have read thru this whole sc2 switch and with the LoL domination is that the Starcraft divisions in KeSPA teams have had a pretty big cut money wise because SC isn't popular anymore and most KeSPA teams have 1 or more LoL teams. Do they really have this sea of "slave trainees" like people make it out to be? I seriously doubt it is anything like the glory days of BW. EG-TL isn't in such a disadvantage like people want to believe. Sure, the KeSPA teams have the upper hand with their whole structure because of no language barriers and they have a couple of coaches for specific races working with the players full time which EG-TL does not, but they don't out number EG-TL in players.
That's the thing. You only have so many rosters slots on the bench and not all training/practice partners are listed. Heck a lot of them never earned their licenses in the BW days yet they would come in to help with training. Your A-Team is the bench and before each round we usually only see minor adjustments made. This sea of slave trainees is a myth and yes it's nothing like the glory days but they do exist in the same vein Korean guilds still exist.
On March 29 2013 00:49 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote:
EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Oh, and dear EG, you de-signed Puma. Now pull the consequences. Why is HuK still playing? I see no results (correct me if I am wrong). And when I watch his games, I don't get the point of why exactly he joined EG. Kudos to him for the HuK on IdrA rivalry, and not-so-big-kudos for him leaving TL for EG's money. But his times is over, he's delivering bad games, even compared to normal foreigners as Lucifron, HasuObs or Snute. its a hard choice: make playoffs or make white people happy.
I think you guys are looking at this in the wrong way. Making the playoffs is a bit of a stretch. Lower your expectations and hope EG show better results in the next few rounds. You have to crawl before you can walk; you have to to walk before you can run. One step at a time folks. The goal here is making progress.
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Oz should be an amazing pick-up for Proleague. He had that 3 Nexus at 4:15 into Stargate build on Daybreak that he made work every time he used it last year...
aLive is also a great addition. He's always been a great player and Terran got a huge buff in HotS.
Can't wait for round 4!
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EG got like 13 players in lineup already XD
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On March 29 2013 00:49 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 21:34 boxerfred wrote:
EG-Liquid really making a "foreign" appearance in Proleague. Not rooting for them anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love korean players, but I always thought that EG-Liquid in Proleague would've been a step towards an internationalization of eSports, meaning that foreign talents could play and learn and improve in korea. But it looks like there is no foreigner with enough dedication to do that. Stephano goes for the easy money, skipping code S once more. And the great "foreign" roster? Byebye Thorzain, you had your proleague time. EGTL roster in proleague now:
Taeja, HerO, JYP, Oz, aLive, Jaedong, korean, korean, korean... my hype is gone.
Oh, and dear EG, you de-signed Puma. Now pull the consequences. Why is HuK still playing? I see no results (correct me if I am wrong). And when I watch his games, I don't get the point of why exactly he joined EG. Kudos to him for the HuK on IdrA rivalry, and not-so-big-kudos for him leaving TL for EG's money. But his times is over, he's delivering bad games, even compared to normal foreigners as Lucifron, HasuObs or Snute. its a hard choice: make playoffs or make white people happy.
Let's start with something more realistic.
Not getting utterly destroyed every single match.
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EG roster starting to look bloated. Time to trim some fat soon?
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On March 29 2013 01:29 asdfOu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 19:22 AyaaLa wrote:
Lololol. They add the terran with the worst marine control in the world. Goodluck EG.. i guess.. dumb
You wouldn't happen to be FXOasd would you? :D. Now there was a terran with some sick bio control.
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On March 28 2013 18:29 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 10:59 Za7oX wrote:On March 28 2013 10:47 ShowTheLights wrote:
alive has ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO personality
i dont freaking understand, hes more quiet than revival, why are people happy about this?
WHY EG?!
someone tell me ONE showing of personality that alive has shown
i just do not like him, yes hes a good player, but zero personality. blah SPOILERRRRR+ Show Spoiler +all Koreans don't show much personality :O:O:O I'm surprised people say this. I guess Forgg asking Zoe for a good luck kiss, Zenio Throwing a rude gesture at Idra, Taeja speaking Spanish to a large audience, Keen gunning down all his team mates in a victory dance and MCs murloc suit just dont count ay?
GanZi's Gangnam Style, the Koreans-at-Twitch day, Leenock's dances, MC's no-skill-just-lucky and a whole bunch of others come to mind too.
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There are a handful of Koreans with colorful personalities, MC being the most obvious one. Doing a single crazy stunt doesn't mean you have an interesting personality though. Coining terms like "Idra rage" does.
You can blame it on cultural or language differences, but it is what it is.
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