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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
March 25 2013 09:11 GMT
#121
On March 25 2013 18:08 Marti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise,

He likes it so much he made an insulting message on ogn saying " LOL YOUR GAME IS DEAD NOW MOVE ON BUY MY SC2 "

Oh, stop being so salty.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
March 25 2013 09:11 GMT
#122
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Why isn't that type of investment sustainable for Blizzard?

You do know that they make BILLIONS of dollars annually from World of Warcraft alone? Blizzard can make two in-game pets for Warcraft and generate the extra income to inject this type of money into whatever they want. Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the acting CEO and co-founder of Blizzard wants to use some of what they're making to try and take Starcraft to a new level.

Blizzard sponsoring eSports so that their own brand and title becomes even larger as a result? For basically pennies compared to their total annual revenue?

I understand the amount of money Blizzard makes. I don't see their investments in eSports being profitable. I don't see SC2 ever becoming what LoL is in Korea right now. I just think that they need to pull something else out of the hat if they want SC2 to succeed. A real foreign league (not tournament, league) has never been done before. I dunno, just something, something to bring the eSports fandom further without dumping it where it's not really wanted.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28483 Posts
March 25 2013 09:11 GMT
#123
Dear Blizzard,

please make the following happen:
    - Some combination of Proleague and GSTL.
    - Some combination of GSL and OSL.
    - WCS

Broadcasted by both GOM and OGN.
If these requests are not in the realm of possibilities I'll settle for world peace.

Thank you.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
March 25 2013 09:13 GMT
#124
Potentially landmark news. While Blizzard has always supported their games, they've never openly made such a huge contribution directly to the growth of eSports. 1.8 million bucks is a RIDICULOUS amount of money. It should absolutely translate to professional sports-cast levels of broadcasting.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 25 2013 09:14 GMT
#125
On March 25 2013 18:11 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Why isn't that type of investment sustainable for Blizzard?

You do know that they make BILLIONS of dollars annually from World of Warcraft alone? Blizzard can make two in-game pets for Warcraft and generate the extra income to inject this type of money into whatever they want. Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the acting CEO and co-founder of Blizzard wants to use some of what they're making to try and take Starcraft to a new level.

Blizzard sponsoring eSports so that their own brand and title becomes even larger as a result? For basically pennies compared to their total annual revenue?

I understand the amount of money Blizzard makes. I don't see their investments in eSports being profitable. I don't see SC2 ever becoming what LoL is in Korea right now. I just think that they need to pull something else out of the hat if they want SC2 to succeed. A real foreign league (not tournament, league) has never been done before. I dunno, just something, something to bring the eSports fandom further without dumping it where it's not really wanted.


Oh no please, a foreigner league ? Average level, lot of bitching, players forfeiting left and right or showing up late. I would never pay a monthly fee for that.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
March 25 2013 09:14 GMT
#126
On March 25 2013 18:11 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 18:08 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise,

He likes it so much he made an insulting message on ogn saying " LOL YOUR GAME IS DEAD NOW MOVE ON BUY MY SC2 "

Oh, stop being so salty.

Stop giving blizzard undeserved free PR.
#adun giveafuck - - - "Did this guy just randomly finger me?" - Sayle
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 25 2013 09:16 GMT
#127
On March 25 2013 17:53 Hall0wed wrote:
Not gonna make any guesses or expect anything, just gonna wait for the announcement to come. =)


Oh dear, someone sensible.
AdministratorBreak the chains
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 25 2013 09:17 GMT
#128
On March 25 2013 18:14 Marti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 18:11 Roggay wrote:
On March 25 2013 18:08 Marti wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise,

He likes it so much he made an insulting message on ogn saying " LOL YOUR GAME IS DEAD NOW MOVE ON BUY MY SC2 "

Oh, stop being so salty.

Stop giving blizzard undeserved free PR.

yep, definitely salty
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
OrD_SC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States247 Posts
March 25 2013 09:17 GMT
#129
<3 OP's effort here. Definitely have my fingers crossed for our first sc2-only international league. The MLGSL.
Baldie disapproved of my last status, TT
ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
March 25 2013 09:18 GMT
#130
On March 25 2013 18:08 Marti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise,

He likes it so much he made an insulting message on ogn saying " LOL YOUR GAME IS DEAD NOW MOVE ON BUY MY SC2 "


Not what happened, OGN interviewed Mike at MLG and they cut his message into that montage, and when it was pointed out that the message was super inappropriately placed the montage was edited to remove the most offensive parts. The montage shown at the finals isn't the same as the montage shown at the semifinals.
Dame da na, zenzen dame da ze!
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5670 Posts
March 25 2013 09:22 GMT
#131
On March 25 2013 17:55 Mauldo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 17:28 oBlade wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
$1.8M a year being invested in a league and all i see are people bitching about blizzard getting involved without even knowing what blizzard is doing. seems par for the course on the forums.

I feel like the reason we have a discussion forum with threads about different topics is that people can come and offer their opinions, even speculation, even if it contradicts or dissents from what other people are saying. In this case, we do know Blizzard's history in Korea hasn't been perfect, so there may be some stock to the idea that they are, like the owner of an exotic pet, messing with something they don't fully understand.


That's not what he's saying and you know it. He's merely commenting on the fact that people are bitching about something they don't even know all of the facts about yet, which TeamLiquid does all the goddamned time, and how stupid it is. Which is a valid criticism. To say that he's trying to complain about differing opinions is to mischaracterize his legitimate point - that the opinions are misinformed and premature.

No, I completely understood the idea that the opinions in this thread are premature or made with insufficient knowledge (because the announcement hasn't come yet and none of us is Mike Morhaime). But that applies to all sides, including people posting both in derision and in adulation of Blizzard's move here. Nevertheless, we have a thread on the topic, so it seems counterproductive to complain that some people are using it to talk about more than just going "oh sounds cool I can't wait for more info."
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 25 2013 09:23 GMT
#132
Without directly agreeing or disagreeing with what is going on here, and without immediately judging one party or the other for doing a good job, Korea has too much of everything. If Korea can become more focused then in theory that should be really good for our scene.
Administrator
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 25 2013 09:25 GMT
#133
On March 25 2013 18:23 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Without directly agreeing or disagreeing with what is going on here, and without immediately judging one party or the other for doing a good job, Korea has too much of everything. If Korea can become more focused then in theory that should be really good for our scene.

are two individual leagues and two teamleagues really that much? o.O
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
March 25 2013 09:25 GMT
#134
Blizzard is spending 2 million to show SC2 on OGN. Why? Proleague is doing well on its own and this move will only anger Kespa which owns more than half of the best players. I hope this GSL/OSL combination will be for the best. I really, really love watching Tastosis cast Code S games because of how awesome the games are and how hilarious they are as people.

I dislike change~~~
-.-

Hope its for the best!
Long live the Boss Toss!
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
March 25 2013 09:26 GMT
#135
On March 25 2013 18:23 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Without directly agreeing or disagreeing with what is going on here, and without immediately judging one party or the other for doing a good job, Korea has too much of everything. If Korea can become more focused then in theory that should be really good for our scene.


Are you actually privileged with some knowledge of what this announcement actually is?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 25 2013 09:27 GMT
#136
I liked the idea of a GSL and an OSL, both seperate but with a grand final between both competitions. Would be awesome for GSTL and PL as well.

I don't think this news will be bad. Gotta see though.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
March 25 2013 09:28 GMT
#137
On March 25 2013 18:14 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 18:11 Ruscour wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:45 Lunareste wrote:
On March 25 2013 17:30 Ruscour wrote:
I knew that LoL was demolishing SC2 in Korea but THIS bad...it's just sad. I can't see how this type of investment is sustainable for Blizzard, or how the scene can support the absolute wealth of progamers in Korea. I mean, 7 KeSPA teams and even more eSF teams? That's hundreds of progamers in a scene that really can't support it...


Why isn't that type of investment sustainable for Blizzard?

You do know that they make BILLIONS of dollars annually from World of Warcraft alone? Blizzard can make two in-game pets for Warcraft and generate the extra income to inject this type of money into whatever they want. Mike Morhaime has publicly stated that Starcraft is his favorite Blizzard franchise, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the acting CEO and co-founder of Blizzard wants to use some of what they're making to try and take Starcraft to a new level.

Blizzard sponsoring eSports so that their own brand and title becomes even larger as a result? For basically pennies compared to their total annual revenue?

I understand the amount of money Blizzard makes. I don't see their investments in eSports being profitable. I don't see SC2 ever becoming what LoL is in Korea right now. I just think that they need to pull something else out of the hat if they want SC2 to succeed. A real foreign league (not tournament, league) has never been done before. I dunno, just something, something to bring the eSports fandom further without dumping it where it's not really wanted.


Oh no please, a foreigner league ? Average level, lot of bitching, players forfeiting left and right or showing up late. I would never pay a monthly fee for that.

Money!

You think there's no bitching in Korea? If you just take the SlayerS drama, compare that to anything that's happened in the foreign scene. We don't hear about the day-to-day stuff because progamers make less public comments and we don't read Korean forums. Average level? Solved by money. Teams see money, they set up real practice environments, and those who don't take it seriously don't get money. Players forfeiting left and right? I said live. Slam it where there are domestic players, in the states or Sweden or wherever. If Blizzard wants eyes, why would they charge a monthly fee? Where was that in the conversation?
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
March 25 2013 09:29 GMT
#138
someone in this thread hit the nail on the head, people don't typically follow TV stations or esport associations. most of the time, they support their favourite player - regardless of where he's playing.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
March 25 2013 09:32 GMT
#139
We already know the GSL is doing well.


How do you know this, do you know their yearly revenue and expenditure?

Expanding to a bigger new studio doesn't always mean they're outgrowing their current assets as the old saying goes "if it aint Broken, don't fix it" could always mean the entire opposite and its just a huge publicity thing.
zenkicker
Profile Joined December 2008
257 Posts
March 25 2013 09:37 GMT
#140
Ah ok. So that's why Rain got the Code S seed due to his OSL Championship.
I you cant beat them, join them.
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