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College football is based on regional pride and history (they predates NFL and popularized the sport in US), same with NBA. Minor hockey is more of a cult following than anything. People also go to minor league baseball teams but it's a much more affordable experience and great family atmosphere, no one really watch them on TV or anything.
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On March 27 2013 02:28 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL? How? Actually i really want to know how that works, so that i can have faith for regional and foreign sc2
I prefer college sports way over professional (basketball and American football) because the atmosphere surrounding the game is better IMO and fans are more passionate because its their school/peers playing. I actually don't know anyone that prefers NBA over college basketball although I'm sure there are a lot. There's nothing better than being on the campus of a major university on a Saturday In the fall. It's awrsome
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On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind.
In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career.
I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career.
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On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL?
I missed when minor league hockey games were broadcast on national TV.
College football or NCAA is more like the Korean Weekly, where you can see the players who will enter the NBA and the NFL next year.
And MLG is not the minor leagues. It's what US open is to Tennis. Imagine if they locked US open so only Americans could compete, or Wimbledon was only for English players. Hey, you're not from Australia? Sorry, you can't play in the Australian Open, we want to support local talent.
If people want to make minor leagues, they can. But to ask that the biggest competitions be region-locked is just ridiculous.
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On March 27 2013 02:32 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:28 Baroninthetree wrote:On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL? How? Actually i really want to know how that works, so that i can have faith for regional and foreign sc2 I prefer college sports way over professional (basketball and American football) because the atmosphere surrounding the game is better IMO and fans are more passionate because its their school/peers playing. I actually don't know anyone that prefers NBA over college basketball although I'm sure there are a lot.
I prefer NBA way over college for the simple fact that the skill level is so much higher. If you actually watch college basketball without the fans/atmosphere/school pride the skill level is really bad especially since now all the good players just goto the NBA draft after they're freshman year.
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On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind.
You clearly missed the point of the post which was showing how the fact of having multiple open tournaments running didn't correlate with the global skill level and the motivation/hardwork of the players, because of thousands of reasons, one of them being what you're talking about
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On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career.
Such a dumb thing to say. Do you think every retired progamer from Korea is living on the streets today or what? Just because you drop out of school to pursue your dream in something doesn't mean you can never go back to school ever again to catch up on your studies and get educated. You speak like this is something that is only happening in Korea when the exact same thing is happening every day in the west, but instead of progaming it's music, acting, sports and whatever else there is.
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On March 27 2013 02:28 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL? How? Actually i really want to know how that works, so that i can have faith for regional and foreign sc2
People love college football because they love watching colleges players compete against each other and like to see the up and coming players before they go pro. There is also home town pride and watching the college compete. It is all about the personal connection to the college or region they are in. People love minor league hockey games for the same reasons and the games are accessible and local. Not everything cheers because someone is best in the world.
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On March 27 2013 02:43 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. Such a dumb thing to say. Do you think every retired progamer from Korea is living on the streets today or what? Just because you drop out of school to pursue your dream in something doesn't mean you can never go back to school ever again to catch up on your studies and get educated. You speak like this is something that is only happening in Korea when the exact same thing is happening every day in the west, but instead of progaming it's music, acting, sports and whatever else there is.
He isn’t wrong about the child labor issue. Many of the B-teamers are not adults and a lot of them receive little pay. You cannot have your full professional, cooperate sponsored, star player practicing for 12 hours against poorly paid minors in the US. I cannot describe to you how badly it would go.
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On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career.
What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age. Any idea how much time and effort young kids that turn into successful athletes put into sports? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Your attitude is exactly why foreigners suck in comparison. They're trying to finish school, start playing basketball at 16-18 and then make the NBA lol This kind of mentality pretty much proves that foreigners don't see e-sports as a legitimate career, and only something you do for a few years and then go back to "real post-gaming life", where the koreans see it as any other sport. That is exaclty why we get dominated, just like we should.
Wow some people lol
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On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career.
Here comes the 'they own us in Starcraft, but we own them in life'...
Personally, I think NA teens choosing to become gangsters, druggies, delinquents, teen moms, etc. is a bigger problem than Korean teens choosing to become pro-gamers. NA teens don't exactly have a better rate of becoming productive members of society.
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On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age Wow some people lol
All the professional sports leagues in the US have rules against players joining their league without finishing highschool. The NFL requires players to finish 3 years of college. Athleates can practice sports when they are minors and compete in minor leagues, but not for the major, nation teams.
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On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age Wow some people lol
It is pretty much unheard of in other sports. The NBA requires 1 year (post high-school) of waiting before one can enter the draft, and the NFL requires 3 years of waiting before one can enter the draft. Most up-and-coming athletes are scouted during secondary school which will have minimum academic requirements for even stepping on the practice field.
At least that's how it is in the West. China likes to recruit their athletes at a very early age and send them to special sports training camps, similar to how East Germany and the USSR ran their training programs. While Western athletes may have fallen behind in some sports, at no point did the West say "we need some of this."
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On March 27 2013 02:32 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:28 Baroninthetree wrote:On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL? How? Actually i really want to know how that works, so that i can have faith for regional and foreign sc2 I prefer college sports way over professional (basketball and American football) because the atmosphere surrounding the game is better IMO and fans are more passionate because its their school/peers playing. I actually don't know anyone that prefers NBA over college basketball although I'm sure there are a lot. There's nothing better than being on the campus of a major university on a Saturday In the fall. It's awrsome
I've lived in a city where college had a HUGE presence (think Ann Arbor or Columbus) and a city where college had little presence (like LA, Chicago, etc.) Generally, if you grew up or are from a city that has a huge college presence then you probably prefer NCAA. I know plenty of people who prefer NCAAF over NFL but very few who prefer NCAAB over NBA.
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On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age. Any idea how much time and effort young kids that turn into successful athletes put into sports? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Your attitude is exactly why foreigners suck in comparison. They're trying to finish school, start playing basketball at 16-18 and then make the NBA lol This kind of mentality pretty much proves that foreigners don't see e-sports as a legitimate career, and only something you do for a few years and then go back to "real post-gaming life", where the koreans see it as any other sport. That is exaclty why we get dominated, just like we should. Wow some people lol
Playing professionally != playing. There's a big difference between a 14 year old Westerner playing a lot in his or her own time and a 14 year old Korean pro playing 10 hours a day as a part of a Kespa team.
In order to make it into the NBA, you have to go through at least a decade where your practice regimen is limited by regulations. The NCAA has STRICT regulations which specify how long someone can practice while they are in school.
Seriously, does anyone actually follow actual sports and how people progress from high school to college to the pros?
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On March 27 2013 02:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age Wow some people lol All the professional sports leagues in the US have rules against players joining their league without finishing highschool. The NFL requires players to finish 3 years of college. Athleates can practice sports when they are minors and compete in minor leagues, but not for the major, nation teams.
i think thats just a difference of developed scene (pro sports) vs developing scene (esports). you can compare it to young adults wanting to act or sing, they too go through hardships where the (labor abuse?)lines are much more feint. gymnasts, figure skaters, etc. (where age limit is much lower than mainstream pro sports) i think it all varies on the people you, as an athlete, deal with. a lot of mistreatment and whatnot are the result of bad (individual)management and not the industry.
also, young kids do get scouted as a young age to football clubs around the world, like messi was recruited when he was 12 or something. but they're treated good (since there's a lot of money available in the club), we can only hope for the same with esports organizations. as i've said, i hope kespa has guidelines set if there isnt one already.
honestly, there just isnt any money to treat new players like they do in football. i dont expect it, i think some people here think esports is actually big.
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On March 27 2013 02:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age Wow some people lol All the professional sports leagues in the US have rules against players joining their league without finishing highschool. The NFL requires players to finish 3 years of college. Athleates can practice sports when they are minors and compete in minor leagues, but not for the major, nation teams.
I'm not condoning dropping out of school, but something has got to give. Top level Athletes are usually awful students that only go to university on huge sports scholarships and being pushed through the system for college profits, it's the sad reality. If you're gonna focus that much on sc2, your studies will quickly fall behind, but we have to stop acting like that's a bad thing if the scene is going to go anywhere but "something you do for a couple of years"
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So what was the announcement? Was it made? Looking over the last couple pages and its all a bunch of shit on college sports and stuff, my bad if I missed it
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I don't think the child labor law in every countries are the same. Moreover, I don't think a lot of teams register as companies that make money, pay salary, and pay taxes. Except big Kespa teams, normal teams are operating as get-together camps where you kind of share everything, chip in your money, got a little stipend,..v.v.v.. All the kids got parent's consent to stay in the team house, it's not like they're forced to be in there.
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EPT
