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What happened to this thread...
I came looking for info and found some serious flaming. Jesus, people.
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On March 27 2013 02:56 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age. Any idea how much time and effort young kids that turn into successful athletes put into sports? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Your attitude is exactly why foreigners suck in comparison. They're trying to finish school, start playing basketball at 16-18 and then make the NBA lol This kind of mentality pretty much proves that foreigners don't see e-sports as a legitimate career, and only something you do for a few years and then go back to "real post-gaming life", where the koreans see it as any other sport. That is exaclty why we get dominated, just like we should. Wow some people lol Playing professionally != playing. There's a big difference between a 14 year old Westerner playing a lot in his or her own time and a 14 year old Korean pro playing 10 hours a day as a part of a Kespa team. In order to make it into the NBA, you have to go through at least a decade where your practice regimen is limited by regulations. The NCAA has STRICT regulations which specify how long someone can practice while they are in school. Seriously, does anyone actually follow actual sports and how people progress from high school to college to the pros?
If you think players are only putting in the time the NCAA or their high school allows you are mistaken. Big time college sports is a different beast, but it is essentially a full time job. Seniors lead off-season workouts that take teams far in excess of the NCAA maximum practice hours. NBA prospects don't just go to practice and call it a day, they stay after shooting or working on conditioning. Players are expected to do film study on their own time, ect...... Top basketball prospects play tournaments across the country with AAU teams every single weekend, or travel to skill camps. I agree that kids should finish high school prior to turning pro though.
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Announcement Ent. announced that they are planning to announce an event for another announcement for SC 2 E-announcement scene, and also Mike Morhaim, the Blizz. CAO will attend.
Announc. mentioned that "We will announce the new path for E-announcement and make the Announcement Environment that everyone goes together" through the announcement. It is easily announced that Announc. will make an announcement about SC 2 announcements. However, it's hard to announce what it will be about.
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On March 27 2013 03:28 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:19 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 03:05 Pimpmuckl wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:
In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career.
I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. "In many ways" and you name one of the only ways i can imagine right now, lol! Seriously dude, we have a similar progression with guys playing soccer and dropping out of school because of it. If they can't break through they will go back and just start where they left off, with the time "wasted". And now i ask you if time is wasted if you pursue your dream and have fun doing so. And does anyone watch soccer matches of guys who currently study? Just because they don't interrupt their educational path for their passion? No, nobody gives a shit about that. It's about quality, it's about the team being close to you, not about anything else. Edit: Pretty funny how the thread derailed. Stop thinking the one way of living you think is right is the actual right way to do so for everyone. This is specifically one reason why the United States is behind Europe when it comes to soccer, and many people watch these soccer games. The NCAA soccer championship is on ESPN every year. Do these people seriously go back to school with 14 year olds where they left off? I was under the impression that the German school system was much more regimented than that. I'm not talking about dropping out of university, I'm talking about dropping out of high school. I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do. I think it's law that you have to go to school till you're 15 or 16 in most countries here in Europe. If someone then quits at that age the person can go back later, taking adult education that is held by a stand alone school who's purpose is to educate people who have gaps in their education and need to catch up and get grades to go on and study at the university. So no, you don't go back to high school with the other kids, you are around adults who are in the same situation as you.
Thanks for the information about European systems. Are these adult school classes free or do they require tuition. Something like that in America will require you to pay out of pocket.
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On March 27 2013 03:35 laegoose wrote:Show nested quote +Announcement Ent. announced that they are planning to announce an event for another announcement for SC 2 E-announcement scene, and also Mike Morhaim, the Blizz. CAO will attend.
Announc. mentioned that "We will announce the new path for E-announcement and make the Announcement Environment that everyone goes together" through the announcement. It is easily announced that Announc. will make an announcement about SC 2 announcements. However, it's hard to announce what it will be about.
haha, winnar
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On March 27 2013 03:36 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:28 Gosi wrote:On March 27 2013 03:19 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 03:05 Pimpmuckl wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:
In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career.
I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. "In many ways" and you name one of the only ways i can imagine right now, lol! Seriously dude, we have a similar progression with guys playing soccer and dropping out of school because of it. If they can't break through they will go back and just start where they left off, with the time "wasted". And now i ask you if time is wasted if you pursue your dream and have fun doing so. And does anyone watch soccer matches of guys who currently study? Just because they don't interrupt their educational path for their passion? No, nobody gives a shit about that. It's about quality, it's about the team being close to you, not about anything else. Edit: Pretty funny how the thread derailed. Stop thinking the one way of living you think is right is the actual right way to do so for everyone. This is specifically one reason why the United States is behind Europe when it comes to soccer, and many people watch these soccer games. The NCAA soccer championship is on ESPN every year. Do these people seriously go back to school with 14 year olds where they left off? I was under the impression that the German school system was much more regimented than that. I'm not talking about dropping out of university, I'm talking about dropping out of high school. I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do. I think it's law that you have to go to school till you're 15 or 16 in most countries here in Europe. If someone then quits at that age the person can go back later, taking adult education that is held by a stand alone school who's purpose is to educate people who have gaps in their education and need to catch up and get grades to go on and study at the university. So no, you don't go back to high school with the other kids, you are around adults who are in the same situation as you. Thanks for the information about European systems. Are these adult school classes free or do they require tuition. Something like that in America will require you to pay out of pocket.
I can only speak for Sweden, but yes it's free and here you get paid monthly for studying.
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After so much disapointment i hope blizz make something good for the community. Blizz have been slaping us in the face again and again.
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If the rumors are true it doesn't sound too bad at all.
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On March 27 2013 03:35 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:56 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age. Any idea how much time and effort young kids that turn into successful athletes put into sports? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Your attitude is exactly why foreigners suck in comparison. They're trying to finish school, start playing basketball at 16-18 and then make the NBA lol This kind of mentality pretty much proves that foreigners don't see e-sports as a legitimate career, and only something you do for a few years and then go back to "real post-gaming life", where the koreans see it as any other sport. That is exaclty why we get dominated, just like we should. Wow some people lol Playing professionally != playing. There's a big difference between a 14 year old Westerner playing a lot in his or her own time and a 14 year old Korean pro playing 10 hours a day as a part of a Kespa team. In order to make it into the NBA, you have to go through at least a decade where your practice regimen is limited by regulations. The NCAA has STRICT regulations which specify how long someone can practice while they are in school. Seriously, does anyone actually follow actual sports and how people progress from high school to college to the pros? If you think players are only putting in the time the NCAA or their high school allows you are mistaken. Big time college sports is a different beast, but it is essentially a full time job. Seniors lead off-season workouts that take teams far in excess of the NCAA maximum practice hours. NBA prospects don't just go to practice and call it a day, they stay after shooting or working on conditioning. Players are expected to do film study on their own time, ect...... Top basketball prospects play tournaments across the country with AAU teams every single weekend, or travel to skill camps. I agree that kids should finish high school prior to turning pro though.
I'm well aware of this, and I'm glad that we agree. My main point was in required practice versus 'on your own' practice. There's a big difference between your coach, high school, or pro team requiring someone to practice for x hours a day, and an athlete doing that by themselves. We need to avoid the current case where it is 'join our pro team as a b-teamer, and be available to practice for 10 hours a day or go to school and give up your chance for being a pro gamer since we have a bunch of other 14 year-olds coming up next year.'
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On March 27 2013 03:44 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:35 feanor1 wrote:On March 27 2013 02:56 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age. Any idea how much time and effort young kids that turn into successful athletes put into sports? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Your attitude is exactly why foreigners suck in comparison. They're trying to finish school, start playing basketball at 16-18 and then make the NBA lol This kind of mentality pretty much proves that foreigners don't see e-sports as a legitimate career, and only something you do for a few years and then go back to "real post-gaming life", where the koreans see it as any other sport. That is exaclty why we get dominated, just like we should. Wow some people lol Playing professionally != playing. There's a big difference between a 14 year old Westerner playing a lot in his or her own time and a 14 year old Korean pro playing 10 hours a day as a part of a Kespa team. In order to make it into the NBA, you have to go through at least a decade where your practice regimen is limited by regulations. The NCAA has STRICT regulations which specify how long someone can practice while they are in school. Seriously, does anyone actually follow actual sports and how people progress from high school to college to the pros? If you think players are only putting in the time the NCAA or their high school allows you are mistaken. Big time college sports is a different beast, but it is essentially a full time job. Seniors lead off-season workouts that take teams far in excess of the NCAA maximum practice hours. NBA prospects don't just go to practice and call it a day, they stay after shooting or working on conditioning. Players are expected to do film study on their own time, ect...... Top basketball prospects play tournaments across the country with AAU teams every single weekend, or travel to skill camps. I agree that kids should finish high school prior to turning pro though. I'm well aware of this, and I'm glad that we agree. My main point was in required practice versus 'on your own' practice. There's a big difference between your coach, high school, or pro team requiring someone to practice for x hours a day, and an athlete doing that by themselves. We need to avoid the current case where it is 'join our pro team as a b-teamer, and be available to practice for 10 hours a day or go to school and give up your chance for being a pro gamer since we have a bunch of other 14 year-olds coming up next year.'
is that really the current situation? slightly exaggerated or speculated?
what if it was 6 hours and you can still go to school, does that make it ok?
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On March 27 2013 03:19 Branman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:05 Pimpmuckl wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:
In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career.
I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. "In many ways" and you name one of the only ways i can imagine right now, lol! Seriously dude, we have a similar progression with guys playing soccer and dropping out of school because of it. If they can't break through they will go back and just start where they left off, with the time "wasted". And now i ask you if time is wasted if you pursue your dream and have fun doing so. And does anyone watch soccer matches of guys who currently study? Just because they don't interrupt their educational path for their passion? No, nobody gives a shit about that. It's about quality, it's about the team being close to you, not about anything else. Edit: Pretty funny how the thread derailed. Stop thinking the one way of living you think is right is the actual right way to do so for everyone. This is specifically one reason why the United States is behind Europe when it comes to soccer, and many people watch these soccer games. The NCAA soccer championship is on ESPN every year. Do these people seriously go back to school with 14 year olds where they left off? I was under the impression that the German school system was much more regimented than that. I'm not talking about dropping out of university, I'm talking about dropping out of high school. I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do.
In most European countries You HAVE TO attend school until You are 15-16 year old.
Belgium-15
Denmark-16
France-16
Greece-15
Spain-14
Holand-16
Germany-15-18 (land dependant)
Sweden-16
UK-16
Poland-18
(that data might be little outdated though, but principle stays the same, You cant quit school when You are 14 year old).
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On March 27 2013 03:40 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:36 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 03:28 Gosi wrote:On March 27 2013 03:19 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 03:05 Pimpmuckl wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:
In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career.
I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. "In many ways" and you name one of the only ways i can imagine right now, lol! Seriously dude, we have a similar progression with guys playing soccer and dropping out of school because of it. If they can't break through they will go back and just start where they left off, with the time "wasted". And now i ask you if time is wasted if you pursue your dream and have fun doing so. And does anyone watch soccer matches of guys who currently study? Just because they don't interrupt their educational path for their passion? No, nobody gives a shit about that. It's about quality, it's about the team being close to you, not about anything else. Edit: Pretty funny how the thread derailed. Stop thinking the one way of living you think is right is the actual right way to do so for everyone. This is specifically one reason why the United States is behind Europe when it comes to soccer, and many people watch these soccer games. The NCAA soccer championship is on ESPN every year. Do these people seriously go back to school with 14 year olds where they left off? I was under the impression that the German school system was much more regimented than that. I'm not talking about dropping out of university, I'm talking about dropping out of high school. I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do. I think it's law that you have to go to school till you're 15 or 16 in most countries here in Europe. If someone then quits at that age the person can go back later, taking adult education that is held by a stand alone school who's purpose is to educate people who have gaps in their education and need to catch up and get grades to go on and study at the university. So no, you don't go back to high school with the other kids, you are around adults who are in the same situation as you. Thanks for the information about European systems. Are these adult school classes free or do they require tuition. Something like that in America will require you to pay out of pocket. I can only speak for Sweden, but yes it's free and here you get paid monthly for studying.
That probably explains why there are more Swedes who are top gamers. If they have that safety net below them, then why not?
An American in a similar situation would be very much screwed.
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Thank you Blizzard, finally something is happening. Long live starcraft!
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On March 27 2013 01:33 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:31 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 01:20 Eartz wrote:On March 27 2013 00:49 Crownlol wrote:
I would pay a monthly fee to watch an NA or EU proleague. Other soccer leagues than Premier League make money, on other Baseball leagues than MLB make money- just because a league isn't the very tip top doesn't mean it can't have its own enjoyment.
Shoot, even minor league baseball is very enjoyable, without mentioning NCAA athletics. I think this is less true now in the post-ADSL era. I used to watch soccer, and I watched the shitty french "Ligue 1" because I couldn't watch Premier League or Serie A as easily (I mean without paying for cable TV, etc). With SC2, I can watch Korean leagues as easily as EU leagues. I'm not saying I don't watch DH or MLG, but If i have to choose, I'll go with GSL any day. That is you, but I can't watch the GSL because of the time it is on and watching VOD's isn't really my thing any more. If there was a league that was on every night between 6 pm and 8 pm, I would tune in each day while I ate dinner. It is why I watched so much of the NASL last season. Leagues are not just about the best players, but providing a product people want, at a time people want to watch it. If you couple players that people care about at a time that is good for them to watch, you would have a very resonable number of viewers. I still don't know why GOM doesn't rebroadcast it during european and NA prime time...
It's the only thing keeping me from buying a season pass. I don't wanna click through VoDs, and I'd love to watch GSL over my dinner during the week.
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On March 27 2013 03:47 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:44 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 03:35 feanor1 wrote:On March 27 2013 02:56 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:47 ffadicted wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 02:25 Cybren wrote:On March 27 2013 02:16 sitromit wrote:
As if EU and NA haven't always had more opportunities for up-and-coming players than Korea... What tournament can an up-an-coming Korean player play in? What do they have to motivate themselves with? Winning the GSL? Because that's an easily attainable goal?
People complain that the foreigners are demotivated because they can't win an MLG with 10 Koreans. What are all the Korean Code B players supposed to do then, when they're playing against Jaedong in the Code A qualifiers?
Koreans didn't have the Zotacs and Playhems and the multitude of online tournaments that EU and NA players had for a very long time. For a while, the Korean Weekly was the only tournament for up-and-comers to show themselves and even that doesn't exist anymore.
I ask once again, if regional leagues are supposed to raise the skill level, where are all the incredibly skilled players coming out of the Taiwanese league that has been going on for a long time now, and has everything that regional lockout advocates claim as the recipe for success? koreans have an entire team house based talent development system that draws from up and coming players and trains them full time for team leagues and the code a qualifiers. westerners get $100 weekly tournaments. yes, clearly the koreans are behind. In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career. I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. What is this I don't even... Cuz this is totally unheard of in all other sports right? The only way to be the best at anything is to do it from a young age. Any idea how much time and effort young kids that turn into successful athletes put into sports? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Your attitude is exactly why foreigners suck in comparison. They're trying to finish school, start playing basketball at 16-18 and then make the NBA lol This kind of mentality pretty much proves that foreigners don't see e-sports as a legitimate career, and only something you do for a few years and then go back to "real post-gaming life", where the koreans see it as any other sport. That is exaclty why we get dominated, just like we should. Wow some people lol Playing professionally != playing. There's a big difference between a 14 year old Westerner playing a lot in his or her own time and a 14 year old Korean pro playing 10 hours a day as a part of a Kespa team. In order to make it into the NBA, you have to go through at least a decade where your practice regimen is limited by regulations. The NCAA has STRICT regulations which specify how long someone can practice while they are in school. Seriously, does anyone actually follow actual sports and how people progress from high school to college to the pros? If you think players are only putting in the time the NCAA or their high school allows you are mistaken. Big time college sports is a different beast, but it is essentially a full time job. Seniors lead off-season workouts that take teams far in excess of the NCAA maximum practice hours. NBA prospects don't just go to practice and call it a day, they stay after shooting or working on conditioning. Players are expected to do film study on their own time, ect...... Top basketball prospects play tournaments across the country with AAU teams every single weekend, or travel to skill camps. I agree that kids should finish high school prior to turning pro though. I'm well aware of this, and I'm glad that we agree. My main point was in required practice versus 'on your own' practice. There's a big difference between your coach, high school, or pro team requiring someone to practice for x hours a day, and an athlete doing that by themselves. We need to avoid the current case where it is 'join our pro team as a b-teamer, and be available to practice for 10 hours a day or go to school and give up your chance for being a pro gamer since we have a bunch of other 14 year-olds coming up next year.' is that really the current situation? slightly exaggerated or speculated? what if it was 6 hours and you can still go to school, does that make it ok?
Based on how the Kespa training house scene has been described in interviews given by foreigners who are familiar to the situation, that's what it appears to be. Huk specifically mentioned the 'practice slaves' (his words) who will just hammer out a match up with the A-teamers for hours on end in order to prepare for next week's matchup.
So my logic is this. If Kespa teams have a very strict training regimen, which everyone here seems to praise-- the dedication of playing 10ish hours a day in pursuit of a championship, then they also need practice partners who follow the same training regimen. The practice partners are a key feature of this training schedule as it allows for the A-teamers to prepare for the next proleague match. If the practice partners also have to keep to this schedule, then it is reasonable to assume that they don't have much freedom to do anything else, and it is in their best interest to keep to this schedule so that they improve in the chances of making the A-team.
My argument hinges on the fact that many of these practice partners are under the age of 18. as has been described in interviews which have reached the Western audience. If these practice partners are over the age of 18, then I really don't care about the setup-- more power to them. If they are under 18 and maintaining the Kespa schedule, then it's pretty clear that they aren't in school. You can't train for 8-10 hours a day, go to school, study, and sleep.
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this seems really messy and hard to figure whats going on.
Can someone put a really short and to the point explanation of this?
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On March 27 2013 02:35 Albinoswordfish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:32 TommyP wrote:On March 27 2013 02:28 Baroninthetree wrote:On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL? How? Actually i really want to know how that works, so that i can have faith for regional and foreign sc2 I prefer college sports way over professional (basketball and American football) because the atmosphere surrounding the game is better IMO and fans are more passionate because its their school/peers playing. I actually don't know anyone that prefers NBA over college basketball although I'm sure there are a lot. I prefer NBA way over college for the simple fact that the skill level is so much higher. If you actually watch college basketball without the fans/atmosphere/school pride the skill level is really bad especially since now all the good players just goto the NBA draft after they're freshman year.
Well to bring it closer to home a lot of people still watch Dota tournaments even though the scene pretty much agrees that China teams destroy US and EU teams yet I and many others still watch leagues that dont have chinese teams in them.
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On March 27 2013 03:47 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:19 Branman wrote:On March 27 2013 03:05 Pimpmuckl wrote:On March 27 2013 02:34 Branman wrote:
In many ways, they are behind. If Alex Garfield had a Kespa style house in Arizona, he'd be arrested for violations of child labor laws. Korean society really needs to catch up and not have kids drop out of school to pursue a progaming career.
I'd choose the NA/EU scene over the KR scene any day because at least NA/EU players will have graduated high school, and many hold college degrees. They at least have a shot at a post-gaming career. "In many ways" and you name one of the only ways i can imagine right now, lol! Seriously dude, we have a similar progression with guys playing soccer and dropping out of school because of it. If they can't break through they will go back and just start where they left off, with the time "wasted". And now i ask you if time is wasted if you pursue your dream and have fun doing so. And does anyone watch soccer matches of guys who currently study? Just because they don't interrupt their educational path for their passion? No, nobody gives a shit about that. It's about quality, it's about the team being close to you, not about anything else. Edit: Pretty funny how the thread derailed. Stop thinking the one way of living you think is right is the actual right way to do so for everyone. This is specifically one reason why the United States is behind Europe when it comes to soccer, and many people watch these soccer games. The NCAA soccer championship is on ESPN every year. Do these people seriously go back to school with 14 year olds where they left off? I was under the impression that the German school system was much more regimented than that. I'm not talking about dropping out of university, I'm talking about dropping out of high school. I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do. In most European countries You HAVE TO attend school until You are 15-16 year old. Belgium-15 Denmark-16 France-16 Greece-15 Spain-14 Holand-16 Germany-15-18 (land dependant) Sweden-16 UK-16Poland-18 (that data might be little outdated though, but principle stays the same, You cant quit school when You are 14 year old).
UK is now 18, but I see what you mean.
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On March 27 2013 04:13 YourGoodFriend wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:35 Albinoswordfish wrote:On March 27 2013 02:32 TommyP wrote:On March 27 2013 02:28 Baroninthetree wrote:On March 27 2013 02:26 Plansix wrote:On March 27 2013 02:20 sitromit wrote:On March 27 2013 02:18 iky43210 wrote:On March 27 2013 01:48 Gosi wrote:
How is this region locked competition working out in the LoL scene btw? If I understand it right, the NA scene for an example is not lacking in backing and support when it comes to money related things right? Most relevant teams are living in a team house while getting money from Riot and having sponsors like any other esport organisation right? Are NA and EU competitive with Korea and China? the NA LoL team is garbage, they get stomp super hard by Koreans and Taiwan. But because they don't have so many international tournaments, their fans are extremely delusional about how good the NA teams are. They will see it over time just how hard their NA teams are going to get stomp at every world series Sounds like the early MLGs, where a lot of the NA fans who didn't follow the GSL thought Select vs Incontrol was the pinnacle of SC2 gameplay. I don't think it's possible to sell that to anyone anymore in SC2, when everyone knows who Mvp, MKP, MC, Life, DRG etc are. How do people watch college football when they know about the NFL? How do people go to minor league hockey games when there is the NHL? How? Actually i really want to know how that works, so that i can have faith for regional and foreign sc2 I prefer college sports way over professional (basketball and American football) because the atmosphere surrounding the game is better IMO and fans are more passionate because its their school/peers playing. I actually don't know anyone that prefers NBA over college basketball although I'm sure there are a lot. I prefer NBA way over college for the simple fact that the skill level is so much higher. If you actually watch college basketball without the fans/atmosphere/school pride the skill level is really bad especially since now all the good players just goto the NBA draft after they're freshman year. Well to bring it closer to home a lot of people still watch Dota tournaments even though the scene pretty much agrees that China teams destroy US and EU teams yet I and many others still watch leagues that dont have chinese teams in them.
Yeah, the argument that people will only want to watch the best in the world has so many holes. If it were true, how did the Fenway Park get filled for the nearly 100 years the Red Sox did not win the World Series? How do the Cubs exist? People need to drop that argument and just accept we need SC2 leagues everywhere, because we all want to watch SC2.
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blizzard only will gonna announce support to korea?? and the rest of world eat craps?
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