EPTthat is why Idra, Grubby, Stephano, iNcontroL, DeMusliM and others have much more stream viewers than Jaedong. Its not that those guys are more interesting than Jaedong. Its that the fans can know them much more than Jaedong because they share so much with them.
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
that is why Idra, Grubby, Stephano, iNcontroL, DeMusliM and others have much more stream viewers than Jaedong. Its not that those guys are more interesting than Jaedong. Its that the fans can know them much more than Jaedong because they share so much with them. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:09 jmbthirteen wrote: its not that Korean's don't have a personality. Of course they do. But there is a barrier there due to language mostly and culture. that is why Idra, Grubby, Stephano, iNcontroL, DeMusliM and others have much more stream viewers than Jaedong. Its not that those guys are more interesting than Jaedong. Its that the fans can know them much more than Jaedong because they share so much with them. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jae-Dong http://www.aceresport.com/uk/content/239.htm http://jaedongfangirl.blogspot.de/ (from Janine , Fnatic LoL Team manager, lives in Cologne) https://www.facebook.com/ZerglingLove http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong/Rivalries I think if you just would put 5 minutes into a progamer that you might be interested in and you actually want to find something, you could very well do so and the language barrier is a poor excuse in 90% of the cases. | ||
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DarkenedLite
United States188 Posts
To get more on to the topic, I think its important not to jump to conclusions. It would be ridiculous if Blizzard wanted to lock off Korea from the rest of the world so to even insinuate that there will be a lack of foreigner vs. Korean play in the future is ridiculous. I also think its presumptuous to assume that this development has anything to do with the future of the NA and EU scenes. There's nothing to support that and jumping to the conclusion that Blizzard-run feeder tournaments are coming seems ridiculous until we know more. As for the actual Korea-centric anouncement, I think consolidation is important. Or at the very least more marketing and emphasis put on cohesion between the two leagues so that they don't feel totally isolated. How that can be facilitated or if it will be, I don't know, I'm just going to wait patiently and see what this turns out to be. A few major tournaments scattered throughout the year with alternating GSTL/proleague would be my preference and the same alternating scenario with OSL and Code S. Having a couple very hyped tournaments of each without them going on at the same time so each can get the attention they deserve. Again, I'm not sure how that's done, but since the audience for both leagues seems to be the same group of people, no one wins by competing for their attention. The only issue is, neither league can just go dark to let the other one run if they want to survive. I guess that might be where Blizzard comes in though. I just hope that all of this hype doesn't end with Blizzard announcing some throwaway tournament like a Blizzard Cup. The messaging seems to indicate otherwise, but I guess we'll see. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:06 Insoleet wrote: Region lock will probably only be a bad rumor. Probably that na players will earn wcs points during mlg, eu players during dh, and kr players during gsl. But every player from any region will probably be able to play anywhere. its just that Koreans won't gain wcs points during mlg or dh, and vice versa. I hope this is the case. This sounds most reasonable. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:12 Type|NarutO wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jae-Dong http://www.aceresport.com/uk/content/239.htm http://jaedongfangirl.blogspot.de/ (from Janine , Fnatic LoL Team manager, lives in Cologne) https://www.facebook.com/ZerglingLove http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong/Rivalries I think if you just would put 5 minutes into a progamer that you might be interested in and you actually want to find something, you could very well do so and the language barrier is a poor excuse in 90% of the cases. because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote: because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get  ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous | ||
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:17 TAMinator wrote: Why is the thread going off on a tangent on foreigner vs korea? This thread is about blizzards next announcement. Sorry if I act like im backseat modding but its annoying reading 2 pages of irrelevant material. it seems like irrelevant to you because you didnt read the pages before that apparently. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
Korean putting on murloc suit, jumping in the sea, throwing hadouken, exercising nunchuk, saying "fuck you" on mainstage, dancing (whole lotta dances), even having a goddamn dedicated show + Show Spoiler + Oh and you know what, Koreans also entertain us IN-GAME with high skills.What can foreigners do? quitting prematurely? probe rush? massing roaches for 2 years straight? | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:24 Arceus wrote: Foreigners streaming with mediocre skills = personalities Korean putting on murloc suit, jumping in the sea, throwing hadouken, exercising nunchuk, saying "fuck you" on mainstage, dancing (whole lotta dances), even having a goddamn dedicated show + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGhiVy-ZRiI Oh and you know what, Koreans also entertain us IN-GAME with high skills.What can foreigners do? quitting prematurely? probe rush? massing roaches for 2 years straight? fruitdealer so funny miss him  | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote: Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famousits not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:24 Arceus wrote: Foreigners streaming with mediocre skills = personalities Korean putting on murloc suit, jumping in the sea, throwing hadouken, exercising nunchuk, saying "fuck you" on mainstage, dancing (whole lotta dances), even having a goddamn dedicated show + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGhiVy-ZRiI Oh and you know what, Koreans also entertain us IN-GAME with high skills.What can foreigners do? quitting prematurely? probe rush? massing roaches for 2 years straight? This, so so much. | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
anyone should be able to attend to weekend events(MLG, DH , IEM ); in the case of leagues some kind of residence in the country would be optimal , the thing is that no western country has something like the GSL to compare... If America got his GSL and Europe too , I could see a system of points to the winner being fair and all but were stuck with weekend lans here. You dont even need to make a restrictive system that says no koreans , only a live qualifier that is held in the same place as the tournament and that requires live attendance for several days , just like GSL. Koreans wont go to that as you have to commit with that league for an extended period , just like most foreigners arent eager to go to GSL and spend one or two months there. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
It would allow people who want to watch foreigners to watch NASL or whatever it would be called, people who want to watch Koreans watch GSL/OSL, Let Euros watch Euros but would not disallow Koreans to go to once a season tournaments like MLG or Dreamhack. I literally have ZERO reason to go to or watch MLG if it's foreigner only, because I don't want to feel like I'm watching amateur play compared to what I watch everyday in the Korean leagues. What good does someone having a "personality" do for my viewing experience at the venue when I can't see/watch them interact like I can when I watch them streaming? On March 26 2013 15:38 .maLice. wrote: How the hell do you know what people like to see? Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:34 Lunareste wrote: I think this idea would work much, much better if NA/EU had a small, local, daily tournament in a unified location like the GSL, but didn't include big draw events like MLG/Dreamhack, etc. It would allow people who want to watch foreigners to watch NASL or whatever it would be called, people who want to watch Koreans watch GSL/OSL, Let Euros watch Euros but would not disallow Koreans to go to once a season tournaments like MLG or Dreamhack. I literally have ZERO reason to go to MLG if it's foreigner only, because I don't want to feel like I'm watching amateur play compared to what I watch everyday in the Korean leagues. What good does someone having a "personality" do for my viewing experience at the venue when I can't see/watch them interact like I can when I watch them streaming? Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" because all koreans play one way and all foreigners play another way.................... | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:36 Schelim wrote: ^we need variety though. i obviously see what your poll is aiming at and i generally agree, but from time to time i enjoy the "ultimate army vs ultimate army" games tbh. just not all the damn time. I'd rather see Myungsik cannon rush Jangbi again than more deathaballs bumping | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On March 26 2013 17:37 jmbthirteen wrote: because all koreans play one way and all foreigners play another way.................... Korean multi-tasking is far superior, and you won't see any foreigners dropping like MMA/Innovation/Flash or running lings around like Life for a long time to come, if ever. The skill set they possess makes it much more likely to see quick fast paced chaotic action, and foreigners are more likely to turtle it up and provide slower games. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On March 25 2013 15:53 bduddy wrote: Almost certainly the GSL/OSL tie-up that has been getting teased for a while... right? Even if it was that ... where is the "revolutionary change"? Blizzard still being the heavy hitter and unwilling to let go of it is a bad thing and nothing will make them do that. So there is nothing they could do which would really make the game popular IMO because of the limitations they feel necessary [and the general game design]. On March 26 2013 15:59 BackSideAttack wrote: Go read the LRs, and twitter feeds. I think its general consensus that people like Hots more than WoL because it's more action packed and strays away from death ball against death ball confrontations. It will only take a few months until people will figure out the "HotS deathball units" and then we are back to square 1. They are only positive now because HotS is new and unknown, but the units are more erratic than the WoL ones and will cause more problems than the older ones. | ||
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