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On March 26 2013 17:37 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:34 Lunareste wrote:I think this idea would work much, much better if NA/EU had a small, local, daily tournament in a unified location like the GSL, but didn't include big draw events like MLG/Dreamhack, etc. It would allow people who want to watch foreigners to watch NASL or whatever it would be called, people who want to watch Koreans watch GSL/OSL, Let Euros watch Euros but would not disallow Koreans to go to once a season tournaments like MLG or Dreamhack. I literally have ZERO reason to go to MLG if it's foreigner only, because I don't want to feel like I'm watching amateur play compared to what I watch everyday in the Korean leagues. What good does someone having a "personality" do for my viewing experience at the venue when I can't see/watch them interact like I can when I watch them streaming? On March 26 2013 15:38 .maLice. wrote:On March 26 2013 15:28 BackSideAttack wrote:On March 26 2013 14:58 SoOJuuu wrote:
While it may seem to some of you(not the majority) like watching Koreans slay Foreigners and then seeing KvK top16
That is not the best way to attract viewers, while skill may bring in the "try hard" viewers, most people like having some sort of "connection" between them and the TV screen.
What is true with MOST koreans, they dont have any personality and all they have to offer is their level of skill, and the average viewer is not a good player(meaning diamond and below), which means actually can't tell point out who is doing what better(but a good guess would be the korean). So is the average person coming for skill? No they want to be entertained.
How does the average viewer get entertainment value from a SC2 match? Connection with the player.
People like watching personalities and thats the truth, the LoL community is really based on the personality of the players not the actual skill level.
TSM is the least "skilled" pro team(in terms of results vs koreans) but they have one hell of a following more than any korean team could dream of.
I constantly see someone like ROOTCatZ beating Jaedong on viewers when streaming.
Why? Because he's a personality and people rather watch someone they like and have a connection with.
Why does Stephano v anyone bring in the most amount of viewers (almost) every single time?
Why do teams pick up diamond-mid masters female players? Because they usually have a big following and can be good source of personality.
Esports is just another marketing strategy, if you have not noticed yet, it only exist and will continue to exist if it can bring in a good ROI.
So does letting koreans rape(lets be honest here) foreingers promote good ROI?
No, if people want "the hardcore learning skill" games they will go watch the koreans.
But most people enjoy a game where IdrA is on stage vs Cruncher and is smack talking him.
They want to be entertained and at the same time see a good game(which foreigners can pull off well)
while they have some connection with them.
I like the step blizzard is taking, and its the BEST option if they want this game to survive past post-expansion hype.
If youre butt hurt that you wont see the highest quality games, we know where to find the KvK games(which will be some sort of GSL/OSL/etc) but youre a minority. Also why dont you have some trust in our damn foreigners. If you can't beat them then you can always learn from them.
Does this mean we wont see Koreans at any foreign event? Doubt it there are alot of Koreans on foreign teams now, and also im sure theyll make some global tournament where top players from each "LCS:" will play
my 2 cents. It doesn't take a GM player to see that Life vs Last was a much higher quality and more entertaining game than Thorzain vs Killer. People like seeing non stop pockets of aggression everywhere along the map, not afk macro till 50 minutes then death ball vs death ball. There's a reason why the general consensus is that Hots is a much more spectator friendly game than WoL. How the hell do you know what people like to see? Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching?Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) 93% NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army"
(Vote): Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced
because all koreans play one way and all foreigners play another way....................
Absolutely not. I should have clarified, but I didn't intend to suggest that foreigners ALWAYS go for the NR20s and Koreans ALWAYS go for the multitask games, I'm just generally interested in discovering what my preconcieved notions of what types of games people like to watch are correct.
Don't get me wrong, either. I love watching Demuslim, Incontrol and Idra stream because sometimes they can be either very insightful or very funny. There is definitely a time and place for that. Unfortunately, huge tournaments with many players like MLG don't allow very much time for crowd interaction, people aren't as comfortable as they are at home, you can't hear player's thoughts during the games, etc.
Big draw, international tournaments are predominantly competitions, and if I was at a place such as that I would prefer watching the best, most skilled players play; I would not be interested in watching gameplay between two players who aren't as skilled as I can watch here at home by stream.
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On March 26 2013 17:28 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote:because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get  ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous its not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter.
Where does your native language barrier start and where does it end? I am from Germany. My native language is German. I am very well capable of speaking, reading and understanding interviews in English, but its not case for everyone. Does that create a barrier for you as well, because that would mean native speakers of English should be the only ones that don't have a barrier at all. See tournaments in France, they usually have interviews in French and they are translated into English - no barrier there. I don't see a problem with having a translator, its just nitpicking.
Also go and twitter to Snute/other pros, let me tell you that if everyone does it, not even 10% will get a reply most likely. Its not because progamers are arrogant, but because its a time consuming thing to do and you sure have a lot of other things to do. Also I might dare to say that you can twitter to a Korean pro and he will try his best to answer...
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On March 26 2013 17:34 Lunareste wrote:Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching?Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) 93% NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army"
(Vote): Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced
What is "NR20" supposed to mean? There are far too many acronyms in our lives already and americans love them far too much.
It is a stupid poll because there is no choice in it at all. A game with "no engagements" is not a game at all, so no one will choose the second option at all. Also a badly worded or did you really mean "no deathball" to be part of the second option? Consider me extremely confused!
You should have asked about "big battles = better?" or "small battles = as exciting as big ones" or "deathball = boring" and given some real choice for "gameplay style" instead. Obviously this needs several polls to choose between two options.
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On March 26 2013 17:51 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:34 Lunareste wrote:Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching?Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) 93% NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army"
(Vote): Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced
What is "NR20" supposed to mean? There are far too many acronyms in our lives already and americans love them far too much. It is a stupid poll because there is no choice in it at all. A game with "no engagements" is not a game at all, so no one will choose the second option at all. Also a badly worded or did you really mean "no deathball" to be part of the second option? Consider me extremely confused! You should have asked about "big battles = better?" or "small battles = as exciting as big ones" or "deathball = boring" and given some real choice for "gameplay style" instead. Obviously this needs several polls to choose between two options.
"No Rush 20"
It's a pretty bad poll obviously, and won't be representative of people's real and exact preferences.
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On March 26 2013 17:51 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:34 Lunareste wrote:Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching?Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) 93% NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army"
(Vote): Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced
What is "NR20" supposed to mean? There are far too many acronyms in our lives already and americans love them far too much. It is a stupid poll because there is no choice in it at all. A game with "no engagements" is not a game at all, so no one will choose the second option at all. Also a badly worded or did you really mean "no deathball" to be part of the second option? Consider me extremely confused! You should have asked about "big battles = better?" or "small battles = as exciting as big ones" or "deathball = boring" and given some real choice for "gameplay style" instead. Obviously this needs several polls to choose between two options.
I agree that the poll is stupid, but to answer your quest, NR20 means 'No Rush 20' which in itself is short for 'No attacking for the first 20 minutes of the game', which is an arbitrary clause occasionally used (and often joked about) to force a game to be macro rather than something stupid like an 11/11, 6 pool or 4 gate (as often seen on ladder, supposedly).
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On March 26 2013 17:44 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote:because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous its not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter. Where does your native language barrier start and where does it end? I am from Germany. My native language is German. I am very well capable of speaking, reading and understanding interviews in English, but its not case for everyone. Does that create a barrier for you as well, because that would mean native speakers of English should be the only ones that don't have a barrier at all. See tournaments in France, they usually have interviews in French and they are translated into English - no barrier there. I don't see a problem with having a translator, its just nitpicking. Also go and twitter to Snute/other pros, let me tell you that if everyone does it, not even 10% will get a reply most likely. Its not because progamers are arrogant, but because its a time consuming thing to do and you sure have a lot of other things to do. Also I might dare to say that you can twitter to a Korean pro and he will try his best to answer...
there is a barrier, its just not as large. and its not nitpicking, its just that there isn't a translator right on hand 100% of the time.
and once again we have gotten so far from the point. It is much easier to identify with someone you share stuff in common with. The language and culture differences between Koreans is foreigners and between two foreign countries is much larger. You know this.
i'm not even sure why you are arguing this. why does EG market Huk and Idra and not JYP and Revival? Because its way easier to do so.
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Poll: What do you think of the changes. as rumoured?END OF THE WORLD (25) 47% Seems positive (10) 19% Neutral (8) 15% Excellent! (6) 11% Not good (4) 8% 53 total votes Your vote: What do you think of the changes. as rumoured? (Vote): Excellent!
(Vote): Seems positive
(Vote): Neutral
(Vote): Not good
(Vote): END OF THE WORLD
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On March 26 2013 17:51 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:34 Lunareste wrote:Well let's see. Poll: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching?Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced (37) 93% NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army" (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: What type of gameplay are you most interested in watching? (Vote): NR20, no engagements, deathball or "ultimate army"
(Vote): Many engagements and battles from start to finish, multiple drops, no quick supply maxes, fast paced
What is "NR20" supposed to mean? There are far too many acronyms in our lives already and americans love them far too much. It is a stupid poll because there is no choice in it at all. A game with "no engagements" is not a game at all, so no one will choose the second option at all. Also a badly worded or did you really mean "no deathball" to be part of the second option? Consider me extremely confused! You should have asked about "big battles = better?" or "small battles = as exciting as big ones" or "deathball = boring" and given some real choice for "gameplay style" instead. Obviously this needs several polls to choose between two options.
Well when you're making a poll you only have have 100 characters, so I was a bit limited on how descriptive I could be there, sorry. NR20 isn't so much a rule that there will be no small engagements, rather it denotes that there will be no committed attacks because both players are trying their best to get to a max supply army or deathball composition like BL/Infestor in the WOL days.
I was considering going for multiple options about which types of games people prefer, but ultimately what I was quoting, and what was being asked, was if people prefer gametypes like Thorzain vs Killer at this past MLG or games like Flash vs Innovation.
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On March 26 2013 17:57 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:44 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote:because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous its not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter. Where does your native language barrier start and where does it end? I am from Germany. My native language is German. I am very well capable of speaking, reading and understanding interviews in English, but its not case for everyone. Does that create a barrier for you as well, because that would mean native speakers of English should be the only ones that don't have a barrier at all. See tournaments in France, they usually have interviews in French and they are translated into English - no barrier there. I don't see a problem with having a translator, its just nitpicking. Also go and twitter to Snute/other pros, let me tell you that if everyone does it, not even 10% will get a reply most likely. Its not because progamers are arrogant, but because its a time consuming thing to do and you sure have a lot of other things to do. Also I might dare to say that you can twitter to a Korean pro and he will try his best to answer... there is a barrier, its just not as large. and its not nitpicking, its just that there isn't a translator right on hand 100% of the time. and once again we have gotten so far from the point. It is much easier to identify with someone you share stuff in common with. The language and culture differences between Koreans is foreigners and between two foreign countries is much larger. You know this. i'm not even sure why you are arguing this. why does EG market Huk and Idra and not JYP and Revival? Because its way easier to do so.
A missing translator is a big mistake by the organisation actually, at least if you would ask me. Ofcourse it is easier to promote Huk/IdrA compared to JYP/Revival, but wasn't the point the people make that Koreans have no personality to begin with? I just argued that point, not yours about marketing value.
Koreans have as much personality as everyone else, people are just lazy and don't want to get information on them, because its harder (thats your point and I completely agree) but its not impossible and should be no reason for foreigner-only tournaments for example. I mean I don't read your statements as "lets ban Koreans" but 'it holds more value to promote foreign players over Koreans, because its easier to do and access a larger community' which I can perfectly relate to and agree with, I just disagree with the nay-sayers that want to see the Koreans gone. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough
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On March 26 2013 17:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
i'm not even sure why you are arguing this. why does EG market Huk and Idra and not JYP and Revival? Because its way easier to do so.
not the best example - huk and idra are some of the "better" foreigners around with a lot of historical results, while JYP and revival are pretty average as far as koreans go
a good parallel would be like... drewbie and vibe versus jyp and revival. or huk and idra vs. mc and marineking
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On March 26 2013 17:28 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote:because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous its not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter.
Wow, how do you do that? 
If I watch either a tournament or an interview, I just sit in fron ot my computer without and cannot do anything to interact with the people on the stream... 
edit: and how did the discussion go this way in a thread about an upcoming announcement?
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Blizzard purchased by EA. New maps now as DLC microtransactions.
OT: Impossible to infer anything about this news, but would hope that having all these people involved means it's almost impossible to fuck it up.
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I want to watch the best games I can, which mean I need the best players of Starcraft and that happens to be mostly koreans, so be it. Coming from a 14 years of bw before Sc2, i'm surprised to see so many players watch the game for the "personality"...
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On March 26 2013 18:01 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 26 2013 17:44 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote:because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous its not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter. Where does your native language barrier start and where does it end? I am from Germany. My native language is German. I am very well capable of speaking, reading and understanding interviews in English, but its not case for everyone. Does that create a barrier for you as well, because that would mean native speakers of English should be the only ones that don't have a barrier at all. See tournaments in France, they usually have interviews in French and they are translated into English - no barrier there. I don't see a problem with having a translator, its just nitpicking. Also go and twitter to Snute/other pros, let me tell you that if everyone does it, not even 10% will get a reply most likely. Its not because progamers are arrogant, but because its a time consuming thing to do and you sure have a lot of other things to do. Also I might dare to say that you can twitter to a Korean pro and he will try his best to answer... there is a barrier, its just not as large. and its not nitpicking, its just that there isn't a translator right on hand 100% of the time. and once again we have gotten so far from the point. It is much easier to identify with someone you share stuff in common with. The language and culture differences between Koreans is foreigners and between two foreign countries is much larger. You know this. i'm not even sure why you are arguing this. why does EG market Huk and Idra and not JYP and Revival? Because its way easier to do so. A missing translator is a big mistake by the organisation actually, at least if you would ask me. Ofcourse it is easier to promote Huk/IdrA compared to JYP/Revival, but wasn't the point the people make that Koreans have no personality to begin with? I just argued that point, not yours about marketing value. Koreans have as much personality as everyone else, people are just lazy and don't want to get information on them, because its harder (thats your point and I completely agree) but its not impossible and should be no reason for foreigner-only tournaments for example. I mean I don't read your statements as "lets ban Koreans" but 'it holds more value to promote foreign players over Koreans, because its easier to do and access a larger community' which I can perfectly relate to and agree with, I just disagree with the nay-sayers that want to see the Koreans gone. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough
as for missing translator, i mean if they are streaming or something. Obviously people that say Koreans don't have personality are wrong/saying it wrong. But I don't think it should be expected of every fan, especially the casuals to go and look for all this information on this korean player to learn about them. Its more difficult to build the game up to the casuals in that aspect imo.
as for my opinions on the whole separation thing, i believe there is a balance that needs to be found. i don't want koreans banned at all, i love watching them play and completely acknowledge they are the best at the game. but i do think to grow the foreign scene, there needs to be more to play for. Right now it is like, "if i can get top 8 at this tournament" rather than "i want to win this tournament". and thats sad. it doesn't breed the best competition from foreign players imo. I don't want to see all region locked tournaments, but i would like to a mix of what we have now, with more wcs like events last year.
i thought WCS was one of the coolest things ever, getting to see the best players of so many different countries. Great stories all around.
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On March 26 2013 18:02 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
i'm not even sure why you are arguing this. why does EG market Huk and Idra and not JYP and Revival? Because its way easier to do so. not the best example - huk and idra are some of the "better" foreigners around with a lot of historical results, while JYP and revival are pretty average as far as koreans go a good parallel would be like... drewbie and vibe versus jyp and revival. or huk and idra vs. mc and marineking
i chose them because they are on the same team. even compare idra and huk to jaedong and puma (of when he was dominating while on EG).
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On the "Korean vs foreigners as personalities", I think it just depends on what you're interested in. I'm interested in the highest level of play, so I know Korean players, I know their history, funny stories, random interviews, ceremonies, rivalries, etc... I don't care at all about the European scene (and even less about the french scene), so for me they're all just a bunch of faceless second-rate players. Well, I know Stephano and 2-3 others, but that's because they're good, not because they drink a lot, swear on stream or I don't know what else people find "likeable".
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On March 26 2013 18:07 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 17:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 26 2013 17:19 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 26 2013 17:16 jmbthirteen wrote:because that exists for every single Korean player ever right? Name one? ... If you name a rising star , of course he won't have the same information available as a foreign player, but no foreign player has so much info to begin with. If you want to get your information about Snute who I named earlier, .. what can you get ? Also Snute won multiple things already, take another player that is not as famous if you want me to search for a Korean that is not that famous its not even the point though. its that i can watch a tournament/stream/interview with a foreigner and immediately know what he is saying and immediately have interaction with him. for 99.9999999% of Koreans this simply doesn't happen. We need a translator. And even then its not the same thing. Listen to the crowd when MC speaks english in an onstage interview. They go fucking nuts. Its just human nature. If you are in a room and there are 2 groups of people, one speaking your native language and one speaking a language you don't know, which group are you going to approach? The one speaking your native language. Its the same thing here. also no foreigner has the history that Jaedong has. The man is a legend, of course there will be more information about him than any foreigner. Jaedong is one of the few who has done so much he has broken the barrier. And what info can I get on Snute? Anything, i'll just ask him on twitter. Wow, how do you do that? If I watch either a tournament or an interview, I just sit in fron ot my computer without and cannot do anything to interact with the people on the stream... edit: and how did the discussion go this way in a thread about an upcoming announcement?
just cause its not 1 on 1 interaction doesnt mean its not interaction.
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On March 25 2013 16:05 l10f wrote:
I dislike this move by Blizzard, it just reminds me what they did to destroy BW in Korea. Now they're going to destroy an organization that pretty much made e-sports happen in Korea. Even though many people dislike KeSPA's practices, you have to admit that they were very effective in getting the job done, which was to stabilize the e-sports industry in Korea.
The last line of DES's article also says that the KeSPA teams are already showing disapproval since Blizzard shows a lack of care for Proleague and they see no reason to send their players to a league sponsored by the organization that shows such a lack of care for KeSPA and its teams that worked so hard to develop the players.
THIS, holy you have no idea how mad it makes me that blizzard basically fucked the Starcraft scene in Korea. THE WHOLE REASON THAT ESPORTS IS BIG TODAY! Them taking away BW, (kind of, there's still a league for progamers going on now thank God) just made me so angry, don't even think about putting blizzard and Brood War in the same sentence... They make a game that hasn't had a sequel in 10+ years, people are going to move on to the new thing, but don't take away the Korean leagues only to make leagues of your own, how selfish.
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Explain to me why Idra has a larger fanbase and outreach than pretty much the whole Korean scene put together if people only cares about watching the "highest level of play"?
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