EPTA very big change in KR SC2 scene will be announced(0403)…
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On March 26 2013 19:43 Eury wrote: Grubby's weibo followers have nothing to do with SC 2 at all. For China to start caring about SC 2 Chinese players have to start winning. For China to start caring the game has to be free and run on every average computer there. The pro players will come by themselves, China has a very good existing esports infrastructure already. On March 26 2013 19:38 Schelim wrote: Stephano is the biggest draw in the entire scene i'm pretty sure. Grubby is big too. Idra does have a huge fan/hater base though. IdrA is probably the best known player among Americans (the most important market), especially those that hardly no anything about the game. If he wins a series in an important tournament against a Korean, Reddit and TeamLiquid explodes. If he performed as good as Stephano, there would be a lot more Americans watching tournaments. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On March 26 2013 19:51 Assirra wrote: And Idra's following has way more to do with his BW career then his sc2 so doesn't that invalids your own argument? You honestly think that? If so I don't know what to say other than compare the popularity of BW in the west with SC 2. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
Yeah his results are nowhere near that of early sc2 when he gained the majority of his fanbase (myself included), and probably never will be with the current foreigner vs korean status. But to say he is popular despite not having the highest level of play is not really true; he was at the highest level of play at one point. His history and personality are just keeping people interested. | ||
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isaachukfan
Canada785 Posts
Other than that this looks like good news to me, if you guys refuse to watch anything but Korea v.s Korea then enjoy your two all-korean tournaments now! | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
just asking, i don't know. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On March 26 2013 19:51 Assirra wrote: And Idra's following has way more to do with his BW career then his sc2 so doesn't that invalids your own argument? Bullshit. Nothing more to say, really. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:02 opterown wrote: i personally think the korean and chinese markets are more important When it comes to ad revenue, the US market is the most important. Sundance and TB have said several times that the US is where the majority of their money comes from when it comes to ads. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On March 26 2013 19:47 Type|NarutO wrote: You asked about popularity of a player, and certainly weibo followers are part of popularity. Also I keep asking myself how much you actually know about the Korean scene? How much do you follow it? Because I get the impression you don't. Starcraft 2 KeSPa isn't invovled into the scene for a very long time but they are already showing good results. GSL, OSL, Proleague, GSTL and smaller Korean tournaments... they do just fine as it seems. Really its also not me hating on foreign players. I really would love to see more of them competing at higher levels, I just strictly disagree with banning competition. If foreigners want to get into the top ranks, well train hard. KeSPa players did rise that fast because they have a very good training and put lots of effort into it. There's no magic to it or special abilitiy. Ask Draco, ret, IdrA for that matter.. they were in progaming teams in Korea. I asked about most popular SC 2 player. Grubby's weibo followers aren't watching him play SC 2. But fine, let say Grubby is more popular than Idra, I don't see how that disapprove my point that people care about other things than just the highest level of play. People are mentioning MLG and how many watched Life vs Flash, and of course at lot watched it, it was a MLG final. I can guarantee you if it was Stephano instead of Life a lot more people would had watched it even if the gameplay would had suffered. 130k people watched Stephano against Grubby in a glorified show match in Paris for crying out loud. I don't want Koreans excluded either but something has to be done before the whole top 32 of MLG is Korean. Preferably by foreign players and teams starting to take the game seriously with some real training facilities and effort. Until then it wouldn't surprise me if the tournaments started to look how the soccer leagues in Europe tries to limit the amount of foreigners on the field to help domestic players get their chance. | ||
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Tabashi
Belgium129 Posts
Indeed, BS that has nothing to do with the OP. We don't care who's the most popular player. This thread is an announcement of an announcement (again  ), not a popularity poll! | ||
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:10 Plansix wrote: When it comes to ad revenue, the US market is the most important. Sundance and TB have said several times that the US is where the majority of their money comes from when it comes to ads. obviously true, but that's not what i was getting at. mlg is an american company streamed via an american service, so of course the ads come from america. what i meant was obviously for domestic content, etc. china and korea have huge potential. just look at all the chinese players for dota classic or korean BW following | ||
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Iberville
Canada207 Posts
130k people watched Stephano against Grubby in a glorified show match in Paris for crying out loud. That was a launch day special which was hyped for over a month by the developer. It's comparing an apple to a Ferrari. | ||
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Realitybendr
Netherlands9 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:19 opterown wrote: obviously true, but that's not what i was getting at. mlg is an american company streamed via an american service, so of course the ads come from america. I dont know what the agreement between twitchtv and MLG was. Does MLG get a cut from the twitch add revenue? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:19 opterown wrote: obviously true, but that's not what i was getting at. mlg is an american company streamed via an american service, so of course the ads come from america. what i meant was obviously for domestic content, etc. china and korea have huge potential. just look at all the chinese players for dota classic or korean BW following That is what I am really hoping for, people focusing on their own markets and growing their own players. I liked it when there were 4 koreans at MLG, not half the players because MLG created a special bracket for them and then created another special bracket to make sure half of those players were Kespa. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:23 Realitybendr wrote: I dont know what the agreement between twitchtv and MLG was. Does MLG get a cut from the twitch add revenue? Of course, why would they agree to be shown on twitch if they didn't share in the revenue? | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:20 Iberville wrote: That was a launch day special which was hyped for over a month by the developer. It's comparing an apple to a Ferrari. And Flash vs Life at MLG was a MLG final. Stephano vs Grubby had triple the viewers than Flash vs Life on the HotS launch. Yes, the broadcast time for Stephano vs Grubby was better for the western audience but that just proves my point that the majority of the SC 2 audience you find in the west and not in Korea. Unless millions of Koreans watched it on some obscure cable channel. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10307 Posts
On March 26 2013 19:58 isaachukfan wrote: This looks like it is likely the end of Prime t_t, and while it looks like Hoseo could continue, I believe at this point they would just voluntarily fold, which is sad but probably for the best. However, Axiom-acer looks like an enigma, they arn't a very well developed team, but the have Sony and Acer backing them which, in conjunction with esf consolidation, might give them enough money to collect enough big names to be invited into next proleague (Say hello to Ax. Creator, AxMKP and Acer Byun) Other than that this looks like good news to me, if you guys refuse to watch anything but Korea v.s Korea then enjoy your two all-korean tournaments now! Care to elaborate on why you think the bad news involves PRIME ? just curious Though i will admit that Axiom-Acer getting reinforced with PRIME members would be a fanboy dream come true, it would still be a huuuuge loss to the scene if such an old team disappeared  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 26 2013 20:20 Iberville wrote: That was a launch day special which was hyped for over a month by the developer. It's comparing an apple to a Ferrari. Its weird how that works, that if you hype something people will watch. Like WCS Europe. It's almost like you don't need Koreans there if you promote your event well enough. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 26 2013 19:58 isaachukfan wrote: This looks like it is likely the end of Prime t_t, and while it looks like Hoseo could continue, I believe at this point they would just voluntarily fold, which is sad but probably for the best. However, Axiom-acer looks like an enigma, they arn't a very well developed team, but the have Sony and Acer backing them which, in conjunction with esf consolidation, might give them enough money to collect enough big names to be invited into next proleague (Say hello to Ax. Creator, AxMKP and Acer Byun) Other than that this looks like good news to me, if you guys refuse to watch anything but Korea v.s Korea then enjoy your two all-korean tournaments now! It would not be AxMKP, but AxMK | ||
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