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On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league  Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world.
It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad.
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I don't really mind the league layout. My buddy is in Bronze, and I can see why it can be challenging because people do anything and everything, most of them want to get the game over with asap. Silver and mainly gold you start to see more definitive meta game strats and people tending to play better and actualy want to play longer better executed games. I think Bronze is about learning how to not die to randomness. I think Silver and gold are where you learn strats and how to counter things. Platnium/diamond is really more of improve mechanics and learn how to execute builds and stay up to date with that meta game. I really think the majority of people who play this game will fall into silver and gold, because lets face it if you were stuck in bronze you would quit playing too because bronze is not how the game is meant to be played.
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On March 14 2013 23:42 HeeroFX wrote:I really think the majority of people who play this game will fall into silver and gold, because lets face it if you were stuck in bronze you would quit playing too because bronze is not how the game is meant to be played.
This line of reason always makes me laugh. If everyone who's stuck in bronze quit, then there would be a massive shift downward in ladder rankings every season due to the vacuum at the bottom. That hasn't happened, so it's obviously not the case that bronze-leaguers are leaving the game en masse. And even if that process went on indefinitely, you still wouldn't have the majority of players in silver and gold, because the ladder is set up to have a fixed percentage of players in each league. Eventually you'd just have six people, one in each league, then the worst of them would get fed up with being "stuck in bronze", quit the game, and the ladder would break.
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On March 14 2013 23:39 Swift118 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world. It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad.
Well context is completely lost on the internet. Even when someone happy with their progress from silver to platinum, there will also be that person cannot control themselves and say “Why? You are still terrible.” It is why I don’t really care how I stack up to people on TL, because I don’t need to compare myself to every player world wide. It keeps the game more fun and progress obtainable. That is why I like the changes to the ladder, because it keeps people out of the worst league, which is depressing to be in for new players. And I, for one, don’t think we need more barriers for new players, the game itself is enough.
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On March 14 2013 23:39 Swift118 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world. It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad.
Have to agree with these statements. These young players often protest that videogames nowadays aren't just for kids anymore. But they seem to want to lump everyone with a real, professional job into the same league, out of sight and out of mind.
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On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world.
It's all relative. I played in high masters a lot and my macro/multitasking past 15 minute mark was horrible but i was still winning games. I consider master players bad, but again they are good compared to lower league players. If speaking overall, then you can't say who is good or bad.
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On March 12 2013 02:34 DreamChaser wrote:
Everyone likes a good confidence boost. If your a more casual player staying your "stuck" in gold does not sound so shameful as bronze/silver
Being in gold is about as shameful as playing basketball with your friends in the yard as opposed to playing in at least some semi-casual city wide youth leagues, or better a national league. Let's not get too obsessed with improving and advancing.
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Blizzard make a small change that doesn't effect the game that much at all, and people start discussing about being in a certain league means your good, bad or nothing at all.
It's just a game were it's fun to get achievements, and like some say; in the end it doesn't tell anything about skill, because ladder is by far a lot different than playing real tournament games.
For me personally I can even say that I am a much better player in off-line events and playing at home in front of the computer, based on experience.
It is a discussion that can't be discussed about, because it variates from person to person.
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How is it that people can justify "masters players aren't even good" when they are top 2% of people in the region. Sure, they're nothing close to pros, but how can you not be good when you are in the top 2% of everyone lol
Relativity people, relativity. That's like saying no one that's not in the NBA is good at basketball... smh
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Personally I think it's a good change. I was Bronze when WoL launched, then sat in Silver for the remainder of the game because I didn't get a chance to play very much. Now I'm in Bronze again and will have a better chance of getting past Silver.
They aren't handing it to the casual players at all. Lets say that the 8% of Bronze is all those trolls, smurfs, and farmers. New players have to start playing against all the crap that seems impossible to beat, but with some practice you can easily defend it. Once they've got that stuff figured out they'd advance to Silver; where they would be playing against people who are more likely to play macro games, and use different strategies. Then after they've got that type of gameplay knowledge under their belt they'll be up against the Golds who can do all the same stuff, just faster.
Practice makes perfect.
Oh, and to all the people saying "Now we really know we're crap if we're in bronze!": THE GAME WAS JUST RELEASED! (Also it's a game, so STFU and have fun.)
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On March 15 2013 00:30 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:24 andrewlt wrote:On March 14 2013 23:39 Swift118 wrote:On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world. It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad. Have to agree with these statements. These young players often protest that videogames nowadays aren't just for kids anymore. But they seem to want to lump everyone with a real, professional job into the same league, out of sight and out of mind. Yes, because everyone with a competitive mindset is obviously a kid with too much free time.
That is no what he is saying and you know it. He is talking about members of the community who call masters players passable and anyone below that “bad”. It has nothing to do with being competitive in any way. It has to do with context . An amateur player who can only find enough time to get to platinum league is not “bad” at SC2 when compared to other people with same level of practice and time. If you compare him/her to a professional who players 8 hours a day against the best players in the world, everyone is “bad”. And he is saying do that is stupid, beause it is.
When someone in GM starts talking down to players in gold and platinum, it is like a division one college basket ball player talking down to a bunch of guys playing a pick up game. It is silly and inmature. It is all about context.
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HUH, i thought it was super easy to get outha bronze/silver and into gold... this is good news.
i was platinum in WOL and i'll probably get placed into silver or such with my luck  so yeah,,good news.
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On March 15 2013 00:56 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On March 15 2013 00:30 Inori wrote:On March 15 2013 00:24 andrewlt wrote:On March 14 2013 23:39 Swift118 wrote:On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world. It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad. Have to agree with these statements. These young players often protest that videogames nowadays aren't just for kids anymore. But they seem to want to lump everyone with a real, professional job into the same league, out of sight and out of mind. Yes, because everyone with a competitive mindset is obviously a kid with too much free time. That is no what he is saying and you know it. He is talking about members of the community who call masters players passable and anyone below that “bad”. It has nothing to do with being competitive in any way. It has to do with context . An amateur player who can only find enough time to get to platinum league is not “bad” at SC2 when compared to other people with same level of practice and time. If you compare him/her to a professional who players 8 hours a day against the best players in the world, everyone is “bad”. And he is saying do that is stupid, beause it is. When someone in GM starts talking down to players in gold and platinum, it is like a division one college basket ball player talking down to a bunch of guys playing a pick up game. It is silly and inmature. It is all about context. If you have time to play 3-5 games per day, you have time to be in masters.
I do not have time to play 3-5 good games a day, as I detailed previously. Some people are that busy and have other parts of their life going on. Some players have kids, believe it or not. Acting like anyone can just “get to masters” and belittling people for not being “competitive” enough only make you look like a jerk.
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On March 15 2013 01:10 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:01 Plansix wrote:On March 15 2013 00:56 Inori wrote:On March 15 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On March 15 2013 00:30 Inori wrote:On March 15 2013 00:24 andrewlt wrote:On March 14 2013 23:39 Swift118 wrote:On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world. It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad. Have to agree with these statements. These young players often protest that videogames nowadays aren't just for kids anymore. But they seem to want to lump everyone with a real, professional job into the same league, out of sight and out of mind. Yes, because everyone with a competitive mindset is obviously a kid with too much free time. That is no what he is saying and you know it. He is talking about members of the community who call masters players passable and anyone below that “bad”. It has nothing to do with being competitive in any way. It has to do with context . An amateur player who can only find enough time to get to platinum league is not “bad” at SC2 when compared to other people with same level of practice and time. If you compare him/her to a professional who players 8 hours a day against the best players in the world, everyone is “bad”. And he is saying do that is stupid, beause it is. When someone in GM starts talking down to players in gold and platinum, it is like a division one college basket ball player talking down to a bunch of guys playing a pick up game. It is silly and inmature. It is all about context. If you have time to play 3-5 games per day, you have time to be in masters. I do not have time to play 3-5 good games a day, as I detailed previously. Some people are that busy and have other parts of their life going on. Some players have kids, believe it or not. Acting like anyone can just “get to masters” and belittling people for not being “competitive” enough only make you look like a jerk. I don't believe you. I had time for 3-5 games (that's less than 1 hour btw), while working 2 (two) jobs, spending time with family, self-studying on coursera, working out 2-3 times a week, reading books and blah blah blah. Believe it or not you're not the only one with a busy life. Crying that you're not skilled enough because you don't have time for something just makes you seem like whiny tool who can't manage his time.
No, it makes you look like a pillock. I'm working one full job (PhD), reading books, etc etc and I sometimes struggle to fit any games into my life in addition to socialising. The most I've played SC2 in the last month has been while I've been ill.
It is also not less than 1 hour. 5 games for me can sometimes be upwards of 2 and a half hours. There are also other problems that people have which distract them, cause them to not improve, etc. Someone might have a near perfect theoretical understanding of the game, but not necessarily be very good at playing it.
Maybe you just aren't doing the kind of work we're doing. Maybe the bulk of our competitiveness goes elsewhere and we can't afford to spend a huge amount of time keeping up on the metagame.
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On March 15 2013 00:11 AmericanUmlaut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 23:42 HeeroFX wrote:I really think the majority of people who play this game will fall into silver and gold, because lets face it if you were stuck in bronze you would quit playing too because bronze is not how the game is meant to be played. This line of reason always makes me laugh. If everyone who's stuck in bronze quit, then there would be a massive shift downward in ladder rankings every season due to the vacuum at the bottom. That hasn't happened, so it's obviously not the case that bronze-leaguers are leaving the game en masse. And even if that process went on indefinitely, you still wouldn't have the majority of players in silver and gold, because the ladder is set up to have a fixed percentage of players in each league. Eventually you'd just have six people, one in each league, then the worst of them would get fed up with being "stuck in bronze", quit the game, and the ladder would break.
I don't think this is true. First of all, there are no fixed percentages. The league boundaries are set manually. There is no automatic adjustment. Then there is the question about what happens if everyone in bronze quits. The answer is: nothing. Bronze would be empty. MMR measures relative skill. A specific winning percentage between two players translates to a specific MMR difference. There will be no "stretching" of the MMR scale to fill out the empty space.
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On March 15 2013 01:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:56 Inori wrote:On March 15 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On March 15 2013 00:30 Inori wrote:On March 15 2013 00:24 andrewlt wrote:On March 14 2013 23:39 Swift118 wrote:On March 14 2013 23:13 Plansix wrote:On March 14 2013 22:30 ALPINA wrote:On March 14 2013 21:30 Inori wrote:
When you achieve B+/A- you know you're getting close to mastering the game.
In SC2 when you reach MASTERs league you quickly realize you don't know shit.
I'd rather know that I'm only 1/3 way there than that I'm in top2% of the playerbase.
First gives me a realistic point of view, second gives an illusion of success.
But to each his own I guess, if you feel proud about getting into gold - hey, don't let a random guy on the internets stop you! Well Master players are not good by any means, that's not even the highest league Now talking about GM, it does not show real skill whatsoever. all it shows that player is quite decent at this game. Some player like MKP can be on Top40 while another relatively unknown player will be in top 20 or something. But that's the problem not with ranking system, but more with game itself. There are so much cheesy/allinish/abusable builds and strategies that mediocre player can defeat much better one. This is sort of a messed up sentiment and it implies that no one is good at SC2, except maybe GSL level players. No one is talking about the professional level of SC2 and saying that GM players are not good at SC2 is just silly(weird cases like the guy who six pooled to GM might be the exception). I have friends who are really good at golf, but no one follows that statement up with “Are they as good at Tiger Wood?”. We need to reign in our standards here on TL. Being “good” at something does not mean you need to be able to compete with professional players. When I say that I am “pretty good” at SC2, it is in relation to my peers, not the entire world as a whole. No one ever uses the phrase “I am good at BLANK” when comparing themselves to the entire world. It's hard to rationalise with people in gaming communities becuase there is a significant percentage of young players and immature players. If one compares everyone to the pros then of course the vast majority of the playerbase are bad, without a dought. But if one is paying on ladder at a reasonable level and living a productive life outside of gaming I would find it hard to say they are bad. Have to agree with these statements. These young players often protest that videogames nowadays aren't just for kids anymore. But they seem to want to lump everyone with a real, professional job into the same league, out of sight and out of mind. Yes, because everyone with a competitive mindset is obviously a kid with too much free time. That is no what he is saying and you know it. He is talking about members of the community who call masters players passable and anyone below that “bad”. It has nothing to do with being competitive in any way. It has to do with context . An amateur player who can only find enough time to get to platinum league is not “bad” at SC2 when compared to other people with same level of practice and time. If you compare him/her to a professional who players 8 hours a day against the best players in the world, everyone is “bad”. And he is saying do that is stupid, beause it is. When someone in GM starts talking down to players in gold and platinum, it is like a division one college basket ball player talking down to a bunch of guys playing a pick up game. It is silly and inmature. It is all about context. If you have time to play 3-5 games per day, you have time to be in masters. I do not have time to play 3-5 good games a day, as I detailed previously. Some people are that busy and have other parts of their life going on. Some players have kids, believe it or not. Acting like anyone can just “get to masters” and belittling people for not being “competitive” enough only make you look like a jerk.
What you being busy have to do with anything here? If you have kids/job/uni/whatever, then it's okay to be bad at this game. Just because you are better than my grandmother does not mean that you are good. Being in platinum means you are really bad, and if you don't agree than we just use different measurement scales. After being in SC scene for quite a long time it does not sound good for me to compare all players to silver ;p
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