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United Arab Emirates7 Posts
Gold-Plat lever player here. Dropped games to get to bronze twice to learn the other two races. The skill differential in bronze was indeed scary. One game I play this guy who hasn't even finished the campaign on normal (expands after 20 minutes, has one barracks all game long), the next against a guy who appears to be doing a regular "build" but has very poor execution. Then back to the super-new guy. No it wasn't because I was winning and meeting stronger guys. Many games in bronze and the difference between back-to-back games was massive.
I can totally see why someone genuinely new to the game would be thrown off by the diversity of skill in bronze. In a league like gold, players have small differences in quality of execution - most of my games feel fair and I learn something. But when you don't know anything about the game, any player with a slight sense of build order can demoralize you, and yet could be quite close to your MMR.
If narrowing the definition of bronze helps to insulate those totally new players, then it is good. And from my experience playing in the league with higher-level understanding of the game, this is solving a problem that really exists.
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so all it means is, if you still stuck in bronce, you get so frustrated you stop playing ? ... dont know if i wanna do that to the lowest 8% but i think its quite fair ebcause high bronce vs low broncies who dont know how to build was kinda strange i guess
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On March 12 2013 02:34 DreamChaser wrote:
Everyone likes a good confidence boost. If your a more casual player staying your "stuck" in gold does not sound so shameful as bronze/silver
i've been stuck in bronze forever and i feel no shame you know~
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Hey guys, I was currently a masters toss and terran on my US account and just played my placements on HOTS and got placed in Gold... I am looking at all of my friends list and my GM friend got placed in plat as well as other top masters friends being placed in Plat.. What is going on?
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On March 14 2013 10:53 WhiteFlash wrote:
Hey guys, I was currently a masters toss and terran on my US account and just played my placements on HOTS and got placed in Gold... I am looking at all of my friends list and my GM friend got placed in plat as well as other top masters friends being placed in Plat.. What is going on?
MMR/league reset 
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On March 12 2013 03:23 Inori wrote:
Wouldn't that mean that there will be a huge variety of skill level at gold league?
Not according to Blizzard. They say there's a whole bunch of people at similar skill levels that they couldn't squeeze into Gold before, and people in Bronze ranged from merely "bad" to "loses to the AI on Easy".
Now only those loses to the AI folks are in Bronze, bad people are in silver, ok people are in gold, decent players are in Plat, reasonably proficient players are in Diamond, good players are in Masters and great players are in GM.
Before, ok people were squeezed out of gold and into plat and silver, whilst some silver players were squeezed to bronze and some plats were squeezed to diamond.
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I think this new parsing of players is much better than WoL, its a step in the right direction for sure. As someone who spent a lot of time coaching newbs and lower ranked players in WoL, I can tell you that there is a huge group of people who are stuck in bronze/silver even though they are a million times better than your average bronze player. New players become frustrated easily and they want some type of positive reinforcement that they are indeed getting better, I think having a larger grouping of people in gold league, and making gold league the Standard "average" starcraft player is a great way at moving this issue forward.
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On March 14 2013 10:53 WhiteFlash wrote:
Hey guys, I was currently a masters toss and terran on my US account and just played my placements on HOTS and got placed in Gold... I am looking at all of my friends list and my GM friend got placed in plat as well as other top masters friends being placed in Plat.. What is going on?
The highest you can be placed from placement matches right now is Plat
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I guess this is the same rationale as that behind hiding MMR and losses.. delude players into thinking they're better than they really are, as if this will somehow get them to play more.
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On March 12 2013 23:29 dpurple wrote:
lol bronze players will so much even more bad now
"English" a good skill toi have...
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On March 14 2013 15:08 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:16 Treehead wrote:
Just another example of Blizzard shamelessly catering to casuals. I personally feel offended by the amount of work I had to put into playing at the Gold level to have it just GIVEN to horrible players.
I keed, I keed. Doesn't affect me either. I would find it hilarious and amusing, though, if they did something like this and greatly expanded master's league. I wonder how differently that would be receieved... Is there really a big difference between bronze and gold players... No offence but they are all awful :p
Hurdur I'm an elitist on the internet.
There is a very obvious difference between every league. A couple games with anybody in a particular league makes those differences obvious to /you/.
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On March 14 2013 10:46 freakhill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:34 DreamChaser wrote:
Everyone likes a good confidence boost. If your a more casual player staying your "stuck" in gold does not sound so shameful as bronze/silver i've been stuck in bronze forever and i feel no shame you know~
There is no shame as some players will be in bronze regardless, because the relative skill is rated.
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On March 14 2013 15:08 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:16 Treehead wrote:
Just another example of Blizzard shamelessly catering to casuals. I personally feel offended by the amount of work I had to put into playing at the Gold level to have it just GIVEN to horrible players.
I keed, I keed. Doesn't affect me either. I would find it hilarious and amusing, though, if they did something like this and greatly expanded master's league. I wonder how differently that would be receieved... Is there really a big difference between bronze and gold players... No offence but they are all awful :p
You are better than me in SC2 (I am in gold league) but you lack social skills. And the insight what the game is about.
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On March 14 2013 15:06 Zerg.Zilla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 23:29 dpurple wrote:
lol bronze players will so much even more bad now "English" a good skill toi have...
lol that sentense is lol, i can type not like that even when try
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So now if you are in bronze you know you REAAALY suck. I guess it is cool to separate those that make some effort vs those that make none at all.
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I feel skill should be measured relatively to other people. Not to some norm of what "good" is, since that norm is often formed by those at the top. Would you call a football player "godawful" just because he plays in the 4th division?
What you are doing is saying everyone below the top 2-20% of active players is horrible at the game. I find that unfair, regardless of what sport or game it concerns.
I am "only" Gold (and proud of it), so I'm biased when it comes to StarCraft II, but I try to see the broader perspective. I'm a decent speedcuber (solving Rubik's Cube quickly, yes it's a sport) and I can assure you no one in that community would consider someone who is right below the top 50% in skill "awful". At that level you solve the cube in about 20-25 seconds on average, while the top 10% solve it in about 8-12 seconds on average. Sure, there is a big gap, but it still takes some skill to get your times down below 30 seconds, i.e. you are not bad for having those times.
I'm just tired of this elitism.
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This is good!
I like the proactive changes Bliz is making.
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