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KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
March 22 2013 03:27 GMT
#221
On February 27 2013 22:36 dsjoerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 19:33 Cyro wrote:
They also removed the average income, showing ONLY the incomplete data of average unspent, so you cant actually calculate SQ or anything close to it.


Average income isn't entirely gone. GGTracker can read it for you from the Resource Collection Rate graph. And calculate your SQ for you as well.


Ya and the problem is that you need an outside program to do it, rather than just have it done in game. It's stupid and it literally took more effort to remove it than just leave the stat in the game. Same with apm, they make everything more complicated than necessary, which makes zero sense.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 03:35:07
March 22 2013 03:33 GMT
#222
just to make fun of it all:
http://i.imgur.com/7vLWdoe.png

edit: yes this is a real screenshot, I have no idea what blizz is/was doing
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KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
March 22 2013 03:54 GMT
#223
I've never seen an idle production time tab.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
March 22 2013 03:57 GMT
#224
Yeah I totally gave up with their APM when i saw my counts range from 70-300.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 03:59:17
March 22 2013 03:58 GMT
#225
On March 22 2013 12:33 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
just to make fun of it all:
http://i.imgur.com/7vLWdoe.png

edit: yes this is a real screenshot, I have no idea what blizz is/was doing

nonono you're that fast XD

:x

on topic: I don't look at/care about their apm counts at all anymore...
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12623 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 04:27:52
March 22 2013 04:04 GMT
#226
On March 22 2013 12:33 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
just to make fun of it all:
http://i.imgur.com/7vLWdoe.png

edit: yes this is a real screenshot, I have no idea what blizz is/was doing

i had that during beta, at first I thought they added an apm score or something. lol
nowadays I go around 300+apm easy lol

but they are measuring something correctly, i am constantly faster than my opponents (I am now gold league when i was in diamond for wol)
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Addicted2Dreaming
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada116 Posts
March 22 2013 04:10 GMT
#227
On February 21 2013 00:20 Technique wrote:
It's just some fake apm to make everyone feel good.
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Jasiwel
Profile Joined June 2012
United States146 Posts
March 22 2013 04:54 GMT
#228
I thought this was the case, which makes me a bit sad. I thought my APM had finally averaged at around 150 now.

I will say though, it did make me feel a lot less sad about losing to an AI when I found it its APM was in the 700s.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
March 22 2013 05:03 GMT
#229
Here is some food for thought,

how about instead of artificially increasing players' apms, we instead begin to count certain actions? For example, if you watch pros play, the vast vast vast vast majority of them use many screen control keys. the APM tab in sc2 does not record the location hotkeys being used and rebound as apm, and if it were counted it would likely inflate everyone's average apm that uses this. I remember a friend and i discussing this, and there were some other things we found out weren't being counted (but i forgot by now )
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45172 Posts
March 22 2013 05:11 GMT
#230
On February 21 2013 00:45 FaZiNaTe wrote:
i Guess its the real APM now, not the ingame timer apm stuff
but i dont know


I'm positive it's not APM (with spam) or eAPM... I'm totally not this fast lol. Not even close.
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SlayerS_BoxxY
Profile Joined June 2012
United States64 Posts
March 22 2013 05:17 GMT
#231
When I play with my friends, we noticed that on the score screen its not even consistent between us. So on my score screen it might say I had 100 APM and on my friend's score screen it says I had 150.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 05:25:59
March 22 2013 05:24 GMT
#232
From what I can tell, the current APM is trying to show optimization of potential eAPM...or something like that. So hitting all your production cycles and doing stuff with your army is equivalent whether you're on 1-base and all-inning or on 5-bases and dancing death balls with your opponent.

Hence why sitting on a single Nexus and spamming the Probe button gives 40 APM...relative to the potential actions you can do, you're doing fairly well...save for not scouting and building buildings.

I understand the concept in theory...Average APM is usually made meaningless when the first 5-10 minutes involve so few actions compared to minute 10-20.

That said, the actual implementation is really, really bad. And the label is misleading.

EDIT: Also, I wonder if the actual "minute" is determined by processor speed or FPS, rather than actual clock time (real or Blizzard).
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 22 2013 05:27 GMT
#233
On March 22 2013 12:33 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
just to make fun of it all:
http://i.imgur.com/7vLWdoe.png

edit: yes this is a real screenshot, I have no idea what blizz is/was doing

You play Starcraft with this?

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Highwinds
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada955 Posts
March 22 2013 13:25 GMT
#234
On March 22 2013 14:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 00:45 FaZiNaTe wrote:
i Guess its the real APM now, not the ingame timer apm stuff
but i dont know


I'm positive it's not APM (with spam) or eAPM... I'm totally not this fast lol. Not even close.


Had a 50 min TvZ. I had 380 APM he had 480. I had never in my life been 380 in a game. So I have no clue what it counts.
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TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 13:49:26
March 22 2013 13:49 GMT
#235
I don't understand why blizzard thinks they can change this. APM is a mathematical statement, actions per minute. This shouldn't be able to change.
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Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
March 22 2013 15:40 GMT
#236
all i can say is im freaking sick of them screwing around with such a stupidly basic stats that has been around since bw! is it accurate now or is it not which is it.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
March 22 2013 15:45 GMT
#237
Shit I just assumed I was turning korean.
mvdunecats
Profile Joined December 2011
United States102 Posts
March 22 2013 15:49 GMT
#238
On March 22 2013 14:17 SlayerS_BoxxY wrote:
When I play with my friends, we noticed that on the score screen its not even consistent between us. So on my score screen it might say I had 100 APM and on my friend's score screen it says I had 150.

Are you playing team games (2v2/3v3/4v4) when you see this? Because there is definitely a bug that causes your APM to plummet when people leave the game.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
March 22 2013 15:59 GMT
#239
It's strange. I used to get around 200-300APM (I spam) and 90-120EAPM. During HotS beta, I used to see widely fluctuating APM averaging around 300, and since release I see ~110, which makes me think that it's now showing my EAPM. However, it makes my head tilt when I see some player in gold or silver hitting 200+ average APM in the same games.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 22 2013 16:13 GMT
#240
On March 22 2013 12:33 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
just to make fun of it all:
http://i.imgur.com/7vLWdoe.png

edit: yes this is a real screenshot, I have no idea what blizz is/was doing


lol lol and I was just thinking it couldn't get any funnier. At least it makes people like etisme happy

On March 22 2013 13:04 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 12:33 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
just to make fun of it all:
http://i.imgur.com/7vLWdoe.png

edit: yes this is a real screenshot, I have no idea what blizz is/was doing

i had that during beta, at first I thought they added an apm score or something. lol
nowadays I go around 300+apm easy lol

but they are measuring something correctly, i am constantly faster than my opponents (I am now gold league when i was in diamond for wol)
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