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Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
March 30 2013 01:54 GMT
#281
My apm almost seems race dependent. When I'm zerg it says I'm anywhere between 150-400 apm, terran is 100-150, and protoss almost never shows over 100, and quite often shows sub 60. My average apm pre-performance tab was about 140ish, and I'm a random player so it's not like I'm just really bad at toss, quite the opposite of the apm orders.
I've also had a couple of games with my roommate where we each show different apms for each player.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
March 30 2013 02:07 GMT
#282
Protoss is less action-dependent than the other races, it's not just you that feels/has noticed this. It's more the inflation going from WoL to HoTS that is weird.

I mean I went from like 180-220, to 350-400 though, which is insane.
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HeyJude
Profile Joined July 2010
United States157 Posts
March 30 2013 02:20 GMT
#283
I'm glad there's a thread about this because I HATE the new APM. I stopped playing WoL about 6 months before HotS release and was usually around 80 average APM by end of game, now I'm at 320...yeah...ok...what's even the point of showing it now?
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
March 31 2013 20:43 GMT
#284
Yeah, they should really change this back..........
"Having your own haters means you are famous"
Zenon
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
March 31 2013 23:14 GMT
#285
I wish they would stop messing with this. Would be great to see an accurate statistic in-game.

For now I'm using sc2gears.
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Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
March 31 2013 23:24 GMT
#286
This is really quite a pain... I was averaging about 150 at the end of WoL. I played a ton of HotS beta and right when it came out and feel like I've really improved, and I also feel a lot faster. I'd LOVE to be able to compare my APM, as it was going up steadily, but now it just shows around 400 - 450 every single game, which is completely useless to me. Interestingly in team games, even if I try to play as fast as I can with the same race, it's only about 150-200....... the new APM is beyond pointless.
Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 00:16:57
March 31 2013 23:40 GMT
#287
On April 01 2013 08:14 Zenon wrote:
I wish they would stop messing with this. Would be great to see an accurate statistic in-game.

For now I'm using sc2gears.


Yeah, I really don't know what's so hard to get about a system that should just measure how many clicks and key presses people do Oo I mean it was artificial when the concept was originally designed and measured in the most basic way, that stuff now is like giving people their car's speed in "hills climbed per minute depending on weight".
rezzan
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden329 Posts
April 01 2013 00:20 GMT
#288
i was around 150 apm in WoL and in hots now my average is 285 apm current for every match is around 330apm..

somethings not right,unless ive improved alot since WoL.... but i dont care really,
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o29
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
May 08 2013 14:27 GMT
#289
So with the recent patch once again revising how SC2 calculates APM, do we have any additional data regarding the "new" APM measurement's accuracy? Has it been completely fixed?
AwM
Profile Joined November 2012
United States80 Posts
May 08 2013 14:59 GMT
#290
So going through the recent pages i don't see it brought up. So like on the SC2 tab, i constantly get APM in the 150-250 recorded, but on GGTracker My average APM is around 60, you can see it here: My GGT page. Do we know how he calculates APM for his site? Does it just use the whole match and just average it out, is it real actions or camera actions?
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grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 08 2013 15:12 GMT
#291
Since people on the bnet forums are complaining that they "lost" APM in the recent patch, they might have finally fixed it. I would like to know, if they still calculate it with the "faster" in-game time though.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
May 08 2013 15:18 GMT
#292
On March 30 2013 10:54 Valiver wrote:
My apm almost seems race dependent. When I'm zerg it says I'm anywhere between 150-400 apm, terran is 100-150, and protoss almost never shows over 100, and quite often shows sub 60. My average apm pre-performance tab was about 140ish, and I'm a random player so it's not like I'm just really bad at toss, quite the opposite of the apm orders.
I've also had a couple of games with my roommate where we each show different apms for each player.


I experience the same thing. When I play Zerg my APM is easily twice when I play the other races. Zerg is pretty much my worst race right now too so it makes very little sense.
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KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
May 08 2013 15:29 GMT
#293
Yeah the recent changes were pretty interesting to say the least.

Before this I had 220 APM on Terran, now it's around 130.
For Protoss, from 190 to 95.
For Zerg, 320 to 190.

Well I guess this feels a bit more accurate.
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bacoatc
Profile Joined November 2011
El Salvador26 Posts
May 08 2013 15:47 GMT
#294
i have 390 apm lol but i think is a new method to count and is good because count every action that you do
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dsjoerg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States384 Posts
May 08 2013 19:38 GMT
#295
On May 08 2013 23:59 AwM wrote:
So going through the recent pages i don't see it brought up. So like on the SC2 tab, i constantly get APM in the 150-250 recorded, but on GGTracker My average APM is around 60, you can see it here: My GGT page. Do we know how he calculates APM for his site? Does it just use the whole match and just average it out, is it real actions or camera actions?


Hi, camera actions are excluded but everything else is included.
card-carrying grubby fan. developer of GGTracker.
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