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Previously, David Kim posted on B.net considering removing the two middle Watch Towers on Akilon Flats/Wastes.
We've been watching the Watch Tower change carefully on GSL. We think the change of removing the 2 Watch Towers is good for that map and are thinking of removing it on both Akilon Wastes and Akilon Flats.
Just wanted to get your feedback before doing so.
Thanks~
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6533734833
It seems this has been implemented onto ladder with the latest patch 2.0.4.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PTS2DHe.jpg)
Also implemented on all ladder maps are neutral unbuildable rocks previously implemented in the HotS beta, which act like the neutral supply depots already implemented on numerous tournament maps.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8Y5bgVS.jpg)
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Quite expected changes since for now most HotS system changes are already in.
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"Hell, it's about time!"
No seriously. This neutral supply depot change has been long overdue.
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It's a very good change.
It also indicated something that I wish more people would realize and take into consideration---
If you remember, when people first started talking about removing watch towers on certain maps, the official response (I think Browder in an interview) was something to the effect of 'we think watchtowers add to the game, we don't plan on removing any'.
This is kind of their response to everything-- give a conservative, status quo response to large amounts of feedback, review it internally, and potentially change their decision if warranted.
So much whining can be averted if people just realized this.
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On February 20 2013 05:24 caradoc wrote:
It's a very good change.
It also indicated something that I wish more people would realize and take into consideration---
If you remember, when people first started talking about removing watch towers on certain maps, the official response (I think Browder in an interview) was something to the effect of 'we think watchtowers add to the game, we don't plan on removing any'.
This is kind of their response to everything-- give a conservative, status quo response to large amounts of feedback, review it internally, and potentially change their decision if warranted.
So much whining can be averted if people just realized this.
Very much so. Unfortunately, I believe you're crediting a substantial portion of the community (read: the whiners who go ballistic every time something changes/doesn't change) with more reasonable temperaments than they have.
I've played a few games on the new patch today and I am absolutely loving the changes. Those high ground pods which used to have watchtowers on Akilon are no longer as useful for wide-ranging vision, but put a Siege Tank or 2 on them during your 2-2 push versus Zerg? Ooooooo yeah, that's the stuff.
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Do the watch towers disappear after a certain time or are they just gone?
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folowwing Blizz logic just gone, cause it would be too confusing for new players. I hope they decide to make maps w/o towers to see what kind of game can develope in new circumstances
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finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years...
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On February 20 2013 05:44 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Do the watch towers disappear after a certain time or are they just gone?
They're just gone, Bliz tends to not do any of the fancy stuff like that. For another example see Metropolis LE
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On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years...
Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
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On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
What race do you play? If it's never happened to you, it's probably not zerg.
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On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
The depot at the ramp is mainly to prevent Terrans from walling in on the lowground with a depot + barracks, because you can prevent worker scouting entirely by doing that. Pylon/bunker blocks are much rarer.
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On February 20 2013 06:00 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. What race do you play? If it's never happened to you, it's probably not zerg.
Not to mention it only takes 2 bunkers to block the ramp, not 3. This and 3 pylon wall have happened to me TOO MANY times!!
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Great changes. They should put a neutral raised depot at the natural's ramp, though.
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I like the changes the rock thing on hots is good cause it looks good and browder knows rocks
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On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
On the other hand, some protoss players block with 3 pylons.
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On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
1. It requires 2 bunkers, not 3.
2. 3pylon blocks occur very frequently in PvZ.
On February 20 2013 06:00 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. The depot at the ramp is mainly to prevent Terrans from walling in on the lowground with a depot + barracks, because you can prevent worker scouting entirely by doing that. Pylon/bunker blocks are much rarer.
I've encountered this only from ONE player in the last year or so. It's vs HwaSin and he does it ever TvP and Thor rushes me every single game. I blind counter it now. Not to say it isn't useful, but in reality it's not that strong of a build, as it makes it insanely easy to bust since you can't repair wiht more than 2 scvs, don't have any high ground advantage, and there's maximum surface area for the depot. At the same time you can scout if there is an addon for the rax.
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On February 20 2013 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. 1. It requires 2 bunkers, not 3. 2. 3pylon blocks occur very frequently in PvZ. Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 06:00 Demonhunter04 wrote:On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. The depot at the ramp is mainly to prevent Terrans from walling in on the lowground with a depot + barracks, because you can prevent worker scouting entirely by doing that. Pylon/bunker blocks are much rarer. I've encountered this only from ONE player in the last year or so. It's vs HwaSin and he does it ever TvP and Thor rushes me every single game. I blind counter it now. Not to say it isn't useful, but in reality it's not that strong of a build, as it makes it insanely easy to bust since you can't repair wiht more than 2 scvs, don't have any high ground advantage, and there's maximum surface area for the depot. At the same time you can scout if there is an addon for the rax.
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
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On February 20 2013 06:00 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. The depot at the ramp is mainly to prevent Terrans from walling in on the lowground with a depot + barracks, because you can prevent worker scouting entirely by doing that. Pylon/bunker blocks are much rarer.
Why did I never do that when I offraced -.- Man i could have tmy CC before second depot....
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I'm glad watch towers will be gone. Promotes active scouting/map presence with extra scouts (ovies and lings for me as Z) and rewards/punishes this activeness.
On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. 1. It requires 2 bunkers, not 3. 2. 3pylon blocks occur very frequently in PvZ. On February 20 2013 06:00 Demonhunter04 wrote:On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. The depot at the ramp is mainly to prevent Terrans from walling in on the lowground with a depot + barracks, because you can prevent worker scouting entirely by doing that. Pylon/bunker blocks are much rarer. I've encountered this only from ONE player in the last year or so. It's vs HwaSin and he does it ever TvP and Thor rushes me every single game. I blind counter it now. Not to say it isn't useful, but in reality it's not that strong of a build, as it makes it insanely easy to bust since you can't repair wiht more than 2 scvs, don't have any high ground advantage, and there's maximum surface area for the depot. At the same time you can scout if there is an addon for the rax. Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
Also if you'd just learn to PvZ, you wouldn't have to pigeon-hole yourself into an obnoxious build that you don't even know how to properly transition from.
Maybe that is why you don't understand the match-up, since you don't bother putting in anytime to play standard 
So lame when I need to pull 5-6 drones for your stupid wall-in at my ramp.
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Sweet, definitely good changers, despite being rather late compared to tournament maps.
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On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. 1. It requires 2 bunkers, not 3. 2. 3pylon blocks occur very frequently in PvZ. On February 20 2013 06:00 Demonhunter04 wrote:On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me. The depot at the ramp is mainly to prevent Terrans from walling in on the lowground with a depot + barracks, because you can prevent worker scouting entirely by doing that. Pylon/bunker blocks are much rarer. I've encountered this only from ONE player in the last year or so. It's vs HwaSin and he does it ever TvP and Thor rushes me every single game. I blind counter it now. Not to say it isn't useful, but in reality it's not that strong of a build, as it makes it insanely easy to bust since you can't repair wiht more than 2 scvs, don't have any high ground advantage, and there's maximum surface area for the depot. At the same time you can scout if there is an addon for the rax. Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
Don't worry, during the 1/1/1 era I was doing it to every single Protoss because I hated playing TvP straight up. I was raged at many a time, but it was worth it.
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On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
pylons dude 
and it even happened in GSL
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Those towers were ridiculous, vision of everything.
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PRAISE THE LORD
NO MORE RAMP BLOCK !!!!1111
Some toss are going back to platinum where they belong
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On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting.
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On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting.
Patrol a Drone, genius.
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On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting.
Rofl. Chill. I've gotten to masters as zerg and protoss, and high diamond as terran, all playing macro. I started in bronze, and am quite proud of my accomplishments. I said I "recently" started to that, because I'm sick of it. To say "I'm the reason people leave the community" is quite stupid and ignorant. I get cheesed all the time, do I call them disgusting? I leave, lose my ladder points and play again. Don't need to say I'm "cheating", I've worked just as hard as everybody else for the past few years to develop my mechanics and decision making.
Chill. As the post above me mentioned, remember in 2010, maybe even 2011? People had to actively prevent it because there weren't supply depots there. If you get pylon blocked, truly it's your fault.
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Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL?
On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting.
There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable.
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Wow this game isnt even playable anymore. As if it wasnt impossible enough to play terran these days, blizzard creates some untested UI that lags the game to a complete steaming pile of shit. A-move patch zergs must be thrilled about this.
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On February 20 2013 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL? Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting. There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable.
Cant understand why youd defend these people. I completely agree with nefarious. Ok so they arnt abusing a bug or anything but theyr getting a redic winrate because of a strategy that is hugely imbalanced. Without 3 pylon block, protoss who do that would be at least a league lower than they are. If a legit player has to use a different strategy than theyr used to, they drop 100 points while theyr learning a new style, thats all, because they can actually play.
If you ladder quite a bit as zerg, 3 pylon block actually feels like a ladder point tax where you just have to accept that for every ladder session your going to lose at least 20 points because of some imbecilic protoss.
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I assume that they ported the entire HotS engine into WoL with all the changes and stuff, but without optimization. It kinda makes me miss pre-1.5 WoL, since my performance was actually better back then.
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On February 20 2013 11:11 Iksf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL? On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting. There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable. Cant understand why youd defend these people. I completely agree with nefarious. Ok so they arnt abusing a bug or anything but theyr getting a redic winrate because of a strategy that is hugely imbalanced. Without 3 pylon block, protoss who do that would be at least a league lower than they are. If a legit player has to use a different strategy than theyr used to, they drop 100 points while theyr learning a new style, thats all, because they can actually play. If you ladder quite a bit as zerg, 3 pylon block actually feels like a ladder point tax where you just have to accept that for every ladder session your going to lose at least 20 points because of some imbecilic protoss.
I'm defending someone who's taking advantage of a strategy that is effective and is not being actively prevented by the opponent? God forbid. Do you also refuse to use BL/infestor lategame because it's ridic imba?
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On February 20 2013 11:16 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 11:11 Iksf wrote:On February 20 2013 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL? On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting. There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable. Cant understand why youd defend these people. I completely agree with nefarious. Ok so they arnt abusing a bug or anything but theyr getting a redic winrate because of a strategy that is hugely imbalanced. Without 3 pylon block, protoss who do that would be at least a league lower than they are. If a legit player has to use a different strategy than theyr used to, they drop 100 points while theyr learning a new style, thats all, because they can actually play. If you ladder quite a bit as zerg, 3 pylon block actually feels like a ladder point tax where you just have to accept that for every ladder session your going to lose at least 20 points because of some imbecilic protoss. I'm defending someone who's taking advantage of a strategy that is effective and is not being actively prevented by the opponent? God forbid. Do you also refuse to use BL/infestor lategame because it's ridic imba?
If a zerg goes broodlord infestor vs a protoss and the protoss plays better they will normally win.
If a protoss goes 3 pylon vs a zerg the protoss cannot lose without playing seriously bad.
Theres a big differance.
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On February 20 2013 11:30 Iksf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 11:16 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 20 2013 11:11 Iksf wrote:On February 20 2013 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL? On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting. There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable. Cant understand why youd defend these people. I completely agree with nefarious. Ok so they arnt abusing a bug or anything but theyr getting a redic winrate because of a strategy that is hugely imbalanced. Without 3 pylon block, protoss who do that would be at least a league lower than they are. If a legit player has to use a different strategy than theyr used to, they drop 100 points while theyr learning a new style, thats all, because they can actually play. If you ladder quite a bit as zerg, 3 pylon block actually feels like a ladder point tax where you just have to accept that for every ladder session your going to lose at least 20 points because of some imbecilic protoss. I'm defending someone who's taking advantage of a strategy that is effective and is not being actively prevented by the opponent? God forbid. Do you also refuse to use BL/infestor lategame because it's ridic imba? If a zerg goes broodlord infestor vs a protoss and the protoss plays better they will normally win.If a protoss goes 3 pylon vs a zerg the protoss cannot lose without playing seriously bad. Theres a big differance.
The bolded part is entirely false.
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On February 20 2013 11:30 Iksf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 11:16 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 20 2013 11:11 Iksf wrote:On February 20 2013 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL? On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting. There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable. Cant understand why youd defend these people. I completely agree with nefarious. Ok so they arnt abusing a bug or anything but theyr getting a redic winrate because of a strategy that is hugely imbalanced. Without 3 pylon block, protoss who do that would be at least a league lower than they are. If a legit player has to use a different strategy than theyr used to, they drop 100 points while theyr learning a new style, thats all, because they can actually play. If you ladder quite a bit as zerg, 3 pylon block actually feels like a ladder point tax where you just have to accept that for every ladder session your going to lose at least 20 points because of some imbecilic protoss. I'm defending someone who's taking advantage of a strategy that is effective and is not being actively prevented by the opponent? God forbid. Do you also refuse to use BL/infestor lategame because it's ridic imba? If a zerg goes broodlord infestor vs a protoss and the protoss plays better they will normally win. If a protoss goes 3 pylon vs a zerg the protoss cannot lose without playing seriously bad. Theres a big differance.
Is drone patroning counted as Zerg playing better or Protoss playing bad?
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On February 20 2013 11:48 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 11:30 Iksf wrote:On February 20 2013 11:16 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 20 2013 11:11 Iksf wrote:On February 20 2013 11:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Is anyone else getting the same performance framerate issues that plagued HOTS now on WOL? On February 20 2013 10:47 Mr. Nefarious wrote:On February 20 2013 06:09 Zenbrez wrote:
Yup, I've recently been pylon blocking every zerg, every time. Dickish of me? Absolutely, but I hate the matchup so much I don't care. Funny thing is, I still lost half the time because I don't know how to properly transition and I suck so much. Logged onto WoL today, saw those rocks were up, and decided I'll switch to the beta. Not feeling up to the task of playng vs zerg straightup.
You're a piece of shit and a major reason why so many people have left this community. Blizzard should have patched this years ago so embarrassments like yourself couldn't artificially inflate their rank and steal undeserved wins from those who actually worked hard at their mechanics and understanding of the game. Thanks for cheating your way through and demoralizing those who worked for what they achieved. Disgusting. There is nothing wrong with him. If anything, it's people with your silly mentality that drag down the community. They are not undeserved wins in anyway. Nothing about those wins are not legitimate. He was not abusing any bug or cheating, but taking advantage of certain map features and advantages of his race. To criticize him on that is laughable. Cant understand why youd defend these people. I completely agree with nefarious. Ok so they arnt abusing a bug or anything but theyr getting a redic winrate because of a strategy that is hugely imbalanced. Without 3 pylon block, protoss who do that would be at least a league lower than they are. If a legit player has to use a different strategy than theyr used to, they drop 100 points while theyr learning a new style, thats all, because they can actually play. If you ladder quite a bit as zerg, 3 pylon block actually feels like a ladder point tax where you just have to accept that for every ladder session your going to lose at least 20 points because of some imbecilic protoss. I'm defending someone who's taking advantage of a strategy that is effective and is not being actively prevented by the opponent? God forbid. Do you also refuse to use BL/infestor lategame because it's ridic imba? If a zerg goes broodlord infestor vs a protoss and the protoss plays better they will normally win. If a protoss goes 3 pylon vs a zerg the protoss cannot lose without playing seriously bad. Theres a big differance. Is drone patroning counted as Zerg playing better or Protoss playing bad?
Clearly by their definition it's the Protoss playing bad.
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Do banelings still blow up on the 'neutral depots' when they're right clicked into it?
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lmao, the absence of rocks is not a "zerg tax", it's just so that protoss and zerg economies start off on the same foot since the map sizes have increased. patrol a drone and problem solved.
ever since late 2011 (i think) they made it so zerg is unpunishable if they power drones to 50-60 supply while I lag behind with 40 probes and no way to make them faster. i'm an offrace protoss against zerg but I speak from the perspective of the toss, it's nothing less broken than a 3 base mass roach that delays the toss from taking his 3rd forever. Unless playing on a map like entombed then it's okay.
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On February 20 2013 11:15 Nerevar wrote:
I assume that they ported the entire HotS engine into WoL with all the changes and stuff, but without optimization. It kinda makes me miss pre-1.5 WoL, since my performance was actually better back then.
The HotS physics are NYI, so as far as I know it's only the UI. If your performance is in the tank, check to make sure you aren't stream downloading the 6 gig patch.
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On February 20 2013 05:58 Dirkinity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:50 Zeon0 wrote:
finally they add the depots. after almost 3 years... Because so many people 3 bunker-blocked your choke LOL! I play since Release and this has NEVER happened to me.
You must not play zerg then
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On February 20 2013 13:05 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 11:15 Nerevar wrote:
I assume that they ported the entire HotS engine into WoL with all the changes and stuff, but without optimization. It kinda makes me miss pre-1.5 WoL, since my performance was actually better back then. The HotS physics are NYI, so as far as I know it's only the UI. If your performance is in the tank, check to make sure you aren't stream downloading the 6 gig patch.
I'm having extreme performance issues as well. I ONLY experienced these performance issues prior in HotS. It was bad enough that I stopped playing HotS and went back to WoL. Now it's transferred to WoL. I'm really annoyed.
I'm not streaming anything and have capable enough equipment (i7 930 + gtx 4601gb).
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It still amazes me that they don't just consult the professional map makers in the Korean scene... Instead they just slowly alter their maps to look as close as possible without stealing.
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Oh God, they removed pylon blocking.. I can now ladder without so much rage/comedy \o/
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I am not sure about removing the watch towers completely, I thought the GSL version had a time limit for them?
This map is actually quite fun imo, but I don't understand why the watch towers are placed like that
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