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http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1451522
http://www.esfiworld.com/team-azubu-joins-esf-prepares-for-gstl-preseason/
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AZUBU Korea announced that it has joined eSports Federation (eSF) on January 12th.
AZUBU, who recently established its StarCraft 2 team, will soon begin their campaign in the Heart of the Swarm GSTL preseason. By joining eSF, AZUBU will be able to manage its team as they prepare to start their main activities for 2013 GSTL.
Team representative Mr. Shin Jae Hak commented about joining eSF, saying, “We are very happy to join eSF. We will dedicate ourselves to build a strong e-sports culture with fellow eSF teams, and will try our best to become the best gaming team out there.”
StarCraft 2 team manager Mr. Kim Jung Gon added, “We expect to create many partnerships with various teams in Korea. We wish to lead the ‘eSports Hallyu’ with them.” AZUBU SC2′s head manager Lim said, “We believe eSF and AZUBU can do many things together. We expect nothing but a win-win scenario from this.”
AZUBU is an e-sports focused corporation that just recently established its premiere StarCraft 2 team led by manager Lim, coach Byun, and manager Lee, and consisting of twelve players including Genius, Bbong, Symbol, SuperNoVa and Eve.
“We welcome AZUBU joining eSF,” the federation proclaimed, “and we will provide relentless administrative support to players for GSTL and foreign tournament participation.”
With the addition of AZUBU to the lineup of current eSF teams (FXOpen, StarTale, MVP, Prime, NSH, LG-IM), the number of teams part of the federation is now seven. As a member of eSF, AZUBU will participate in IPL seed selection for eSF and GSTL preseason.
Explanation of " IPL seed selection for eSF " here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398381
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Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
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Glad to hear it, Azubu is looking beastly and the eSF could use more muscle in these days when their teams feel like they're dropping left and right.
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Hmm... Kinda expected this, since I didn't think AZUBU would bow its sovereignty to Kespa. Interesting at any rate.
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
The other side has such a great view though.
Good for eSF getting another team into the organization.
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Dang, this is pretty cool for eSF and definitely seems to bode well for this 'side' of Sc2 teams in Korea.
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Yay! eSF gaining a new team! AZUBU is looking pretty legit / professional as a team as well, lets hope they stir up the competition :D
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My heart will always lie with eSF.
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I was hoping they would go to KesPa T.T eSF just seem to have so many problems
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On February 13 2013 14:12 Dodgin wrote:
I'm not really sure what the IPL seed selection for eSF is, maybe unannounced qualifiers.
IPL6 still has some unannounced seeds. It could be that they will ask eSF teams to each name 1 player from their roster that they want seeded.
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nice!! really good news for eSF and their fans.
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United States97276 Posts
Not surprising since they were already playing in GSTL
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On February 13 2013 14:31 Solarsail wrote:
Any news on Axiom?
Axiom (and Acer) is entirely foreign run and owned. It doesn't really have a korean management like FXO does, so I wouldn't expect them to ever join the ESF...?
Would be interesting to have a proper foreign representative in either the ESF or KeSPA, though.
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On February 13 2013 14:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Not surprising since they were already playing in GSTL
Meh. SlayerS never joined the eSF, and with what happened between SlayerS and the eSF, I don't expect Axiom to.
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On February 13 2013 14:31 Solarsail wrote:
Any news on Axiom?
Is there any real benefit for them to join?
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the force is not so strong with this move xD
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This is so nice, eSF will always be the better then the other Korean orgination
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I like this. eSF standing strong. Don't want everyone joining KeSPA, balance is better.
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On February 13 2013 14:20 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
gogo rebel alliance xD
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
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On February 13 2013 14:34 Laryleprakon wrote:Is there any real benefit for them to join?
Yes, but 99% no (so far as I know)
They would have someone to help them out, but they don't need any help whatsoever. Always nice to have a helping hand always reached out, but when you don't need it, there isn't any reason for it.
Sad though. I was hoping they would join KeSPA and go ProLeague.
Good for eSF though. Hope they are a much better organization in 2013!!
Honestly, GOM should expand and look to be an overpowering eSports broadcasting station. Broadcasting all major revenue earning eSports titles and having their own "eSF" so to speak.
I don't see why people hate KeSPA's model to "own" players. It's done in most major sports. It's obviously the better business model and it works perfectly.
I think GOM made steps in this direction when they finally became a leader in eSF (they did that right?), but eSF should just completely belong to GOM.
Really hoping that SPOTV(KeSPA), GOMTV, and OGNTV all become huge SC2 broadcasting stations, and that SC2 in Korea explodes to much further heights.
Azubu seems like they might be my favorite team! I hope their players, especially Eve, show much success, and help restore balance to the force ^_^
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One benefit I can think of for eSF players is getting spots for eSF in qualifiers, like MLG where eSF and Kespa each got 6 slots but independant Korean players only got 3 spots. Same with whatever the IPL seed thing is.
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Ugh.
If only they had joined kespa instead. It would have been so much easier. But i guess they dont want to since the kespa team league goes still on for another 10months and i dont think they could have joined mid way.
Anyone who follows LoL know how big of a force azubu is to recon with. Forecasting a long and painful strugle between esf and kespa.
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Man, I don't know what team to root for. T__T
Azubu: NaDa, Ganzi, Eve
Axiom: Ryung, Crank, and of course TB.
IM: MVP <--- Favorite SC2 Player
TL: Teaja, Hero,
KT: Flash <--- Favorite BW player
Things were so much easier when all the good Terran players were on SlayerS and then their was IMMVP.
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
Please, don't buy into this notion that ESF are the good guys. They are more than willing to choke out any team that isn't under their control, if they had the power to. Slayers didn't join ESF, and didn't listen to ESF's orders, so what does ESF do? Impose a practice ban on Slayers and effectively turn every Slayers player into an outcast in the Korean SC2 scene.
If ESF was more powerful, they would do the exact same thing as Kespa does: Dominate and control the scene, and prevent any other organizations from challenging their control.
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wow big news 
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Makes sense. Can't wait for the next season of GSTL
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
Just think how cool would it be if they had an eSF vs Kespa Bo15 All kill or something
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On February 13 2013 15:06 GenesisX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Just think how cool would it be if they had an eSF vs Kespa Bo15 All kill or something
It would be cool to watch maybe, but I'd have to avoid logging onto TL for the week before and after it. No thanks.
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
Why would anybody join the dark side?
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On February 13 2013 14:47 Sea_Food wrote:
Ugh.
If only they had joined kespa instead. It would have been so much easier. But i guess they dont want to since the kespa team league goes still on for another 10months and i dont think they could have joined mid way.
Anyone who follows LoL know how big of a force azubu is to recon with. Forecasting a long and painful strugle between esf and kespa.
frost and blaze are a part of CJ Entus now
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I like this move. ESF needs to stay strong and losing TSL recently showed some slip.
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Makes sense, considering their roster is composed entirely of former ESF players.
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January 12th and we're just hearing about this?
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I like this, it's nice seeing something good happen to the eSF, especially a well-funded team xD
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Not a surprising move. It's good to see another team rise from the ashes from some of the recently deceased teams.
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eSF looks stronger already!Good stuff!
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I don't expect Axiom to join, eSF, but I'm glad that Azubu has, I don't know why, but I am.
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I think they joined the wrong side. Kespa is so much more powerful and being on TV provides so much sponsor exposure.
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On February 13 2013 15:15 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:47 Sea_Food wrote:
Ugh.
If only they had joined kespa instead. It would have been so much easier. But i guess they dont want to since the kespa team league goes still on for another 10months and i dont think they could have joined mid way.
Anyone who follows LoL know how big of a force azubu is to recon with. Forecasting a long and painful strugle between esf and kespa. frost and blaze are a part of CJ Entus now
That's definitely interesting. If Frost and Blaze are still on Azubu, then this move would meant a lot more to KeSPA than it is right now.
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Looks like we're gonna have a true long league of GSTL coming up this season like Proleague. That's the only reason Azubu and Axiom joined GSTL. Looking forward for the announcement.
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
is it only for me sounds rude?
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Canada16217 Posts
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I still hoped that they go to KeSPA though... I mean why are ppl calling kespa the dark side? any company would want to gain monopoly. It's just how economics run in the esports scene. I wouldn't call kespa the dark side..
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Don't you think it's already the case ? Kespa almost has the monopoly when it comes to "control" the starleagues players and to a lesser extent MLG ? (although i'm not sure)
I wish more team would've joined eSF tbh.. I don't see anything wrong if they becomes more and more like KesPA but at least they'll both be forced to be more lenient when it comes to rules.
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On February 13 2013 14:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Not surprising since they were already playing in GSTL
Yeah, not much else to say.
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On February 13 2013 17:13 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Not surprising since they were already playing in GSTL Yeah, not much else to say.
Was hoping they'd change their mind though =P
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On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude?
More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit.
But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK.
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On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK.
You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta.
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On February 13 2013 16:00 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I think they joined the wrong side. Kespa is so much more powerful and being on TV provides so much sponsor exposure.
It is very expensive to become a kespa team and they probably wouldn't make it in the competition in pl anyway imo. It also has to do with the audience the team wants to reach out to
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AZUBU seems kinda unstable especially after their LoL teams moving to CJ Entus. I really hope joining eSF make a difference in their stand in eSports.
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On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta.
Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point.
And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact.
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On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact.
I am just glad you aren't my professor.
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On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor.
You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life.
+ Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general.
Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic.
KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case.
Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more.
/brighter side of things
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On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things
No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so. Not that I think eSF's are saints of anything (they have their own sets of problems), but KeSPA comes to me as too bureaucratic.
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On February 13 2013 18:13 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so.
More likely than not, there is a rule stating how and why to allow taking a missed exam. Under which a serious car accident is perfectly reasonable.
Rules evolve. Even KeSPA's.
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On February 13 2013 18:17 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:13 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so. More likely than not, there is a rule stating how and why to allow taking a missed exam. Under which a serious car accident is perfectly reasonable. Rules evolve. Even KeSPA's.
Only after screwing over someone first. It should have been amended on the spot.
It's probably because I am a math/CS major. We weren't particularly tight on rules, even for exams at times.
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Didn't take long for this to turn in to a KeSPA/eSF mudslinging contest, lol.
I'm only gonna assume that GOM is expanding to other games with the switch of studio and Azubu sees the worth in associating themselves with them. Azubu's LoL-teams left for CJ recently and to think that the organisation that sponsored the two first OGN The Champions tournaments wouldn't keep on supporting LoL is ridiculous.
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On February 13 2013 18:22 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:17 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 18:13 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:On February 13 2013 17:56 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:51 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 17:38 achan1058 wrote:On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK. You can't deny that at least some of the horror stories are true, like how they almost DQed Stephano, and did actually DQed Leta. Stephano got a warning and that's it. "Almost got DQed" and "didn't get DQeed because of his opponent" is pure speculation at this point. And they actually changed the rules after the GG incidents prior to Stephano. The rules were created for a reason, as bullshit as they look on paper. I'd be more concerned if they don't enforce their own rules (very detrimental to the rules authority) rather than learn and adapt after the fact. I am just glad you aren't my professor. You need him as your professor, or you won't go anywhere in life. + Show Spoiler +KeSPA doesn't just have rules about Starcraft, they have rules about professionalism. Whether or not you agree with them, they have plenty of sense to them, and that's that. Unlike other organizations, they'd like people working in their company to not only play like professionals, but also act and look like professionals.
Now, that aside, put whether or not you agree with the rules aside and look at mere facts. Would you rather an organization completely disregard rules and act as if no rules were in place to begin with? Or would you rather organizations follow the rules that they set for their own specific reasons?
Remember, you can only choose 1 of the 2.
Just a wake up call, those players actually work for KeSPA. They play for their teams which are KeSPA run. Many things are run like this in Korea, not just KeSPA, and not just eSports, but other professions as well. They have simple rules built into them that they have to follow. If a player like Leta disregards basic fundamentals that are built into his brain through contract, and that he has practiced over and over again, then they receive a penalty.
If you flop in basketball (pretend to get fouled when you didn't) you get a nasty fine slapped on you. The same happens to many other penalties you can accumulate.
If you want Stephano to get away without even a warning, and Leta to get away from breaking simple rules, then you want to ruin eSports' credibility and professionalism.
KeSPA has their shit down, and even though they do make mistakes (obviously), they are the closest thing to professionalism eSports has. They should be a model (note, a MODEL, as in something to be modeled after, not exactly copied) to all eSports organizations, and other organizations in general. Spoiled due to being not being closely tied with the topic. KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case. Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more. /brighter side of things No you don't. I don't think many professors will fail their students for not showing up at an exam if they got into a serious car crash, even if the rules say so. More likely than not, there is a rule stating how and why to allow taking a missed exam. Under which a serious car accident is perfectly reasonable. Rules evolve. Even KeSPA's. Only after screwing over someone first. It should have been amended on the spot. It's probably because I am a math/CS major. We weren't particularly tight on rules, even for exams at times.
This and all arguing won´t help: time will tell how the eSF will fair in comparison. After all it is not everyday that a strong team is created.
(Sorry for my bad English, I am no native)
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wow...eSF has AZUBU on their side...lots of good players on that team.
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I think Gom vs Kespa is good. Competition is good
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On February 13 2013 18:11 Shinta) wrote:
KeSPA ain't no dark side fellas. Regardless, we all need GOM to thrive, so we should all be happy for eSF in this case.
Honestly, even though I would have liked them to join KeSPA, joining eSF benefits their team more.
/brighter side of things
end of discussion. Sure, KeSPA has done things in the past that have looked, to outside parties to be "hurting eSPORTS" or selfish, or even downright wrong - but KeSPA has always stood by the same principles. When they set a rule they enforce it, and they do so the same for tbls and other star players as they do for some rookie no one has ever heard of. In dealing with other companies (because they are a company) they consistently defend their interests and profitability - you can't expect anything more.
If azubu would have joined keSPA, life would have gone on and we would be able to see another team in proleague (which would be awesome). Fortunately, they joined eSF which is an even bigger deal - it lends credibility and stability to the organization, and it keeps gom and the GSTL going strong. There really was no wrong choice here for eSPORTS - the viewers could only win in the end.
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On one hand, I think it's sad that AZUBU didn't join KeSPA so they could play in Proleague - I wouldn't mind one or two more teams in PL for increased "depth". On the other hand, I think this is great both for eSF and AZUBU's players, considering the existence of "eSF seeds" in a lot of premier tournaments. Also, good to see a team joining eSF and not disbanding - haven't had that in a while.
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I think it's kind of funny that viOlet was the singular AZUBU SC2 player for a long time, and has become a monster, yet he is not mentioned as one of the players...
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The Force is strong with this one..
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Austria24417 Posts
Seems natural, all these guys were eSF players before.
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Good to read this, making eSF slightly stronger to keep somewhat at pace with Kespa who have done this for ages.
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On February 13 2013 17:33 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 16:08 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... is it only for me sounds rude? More like the one-sided, made out of horror stories, "KeSPA is evil" stereotype. Typical on accounts created after 2010 and reddit. But hey, I guess shitting on SlayerS is a-OK.
That's quite the opposite actually... Lol.
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Very excited to hear this news.
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It's good to see a big, new team join eSF. I don't know if they tried to join Kespa and got rejected or anything but I think it's good that not all teams are aiming to join Kespa.
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On February 13 2013 14:34 BrokenMirage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Not surprising since they were already playing in GSTL Meh. SlayerS never joined the eSF, and with what happened between SlayerS and the eSF, I don't expect Axiom to.
eSF have probably learned their lesson. I really hope TotalBiscuit and Inticracy consider joining even if just under Axiom's banner.
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this.
BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now).
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Where's Ganzi in the lineup?
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Great to see a team growing.
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Awesome for both eSF and AZUBU I don't see any downside to this for them
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great news... I like some of the comments here. I'm happy the eSF is growing stronger, KeSPA doesn't have that stranglehold over Korean eSports anymore, competition is good.
EDIT: Can I get an azubu logo? :D
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I assumed they would do this, it makes sense to join them while not joining seems like a very bad idea given what happened to SlayerS.
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Whoooo! The New breed of sc2 teams! I hope azubu and Axiom stands strong!
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Sweet. AZUBU will be a nice strong team to fly with eSF for quite a while
TB is a smart guy, he might go under eSF, with the way his team works ofc it won't be KeSPa for Axiom.
P.S Most of Axiom and AZUBU's sponsors are foreign sponsors, not in Korea.
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Hopefully Azubu will help add some stability to eSF. I've been wondering when they would choose a side. GL to Azubu and the eSF in 2013!
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On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now).
Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history.
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"Relentless administrative support" is by far the most awesome quote from this article.
Good news for eSF. Shame the topic, as most regarding either major organization do, devolved quickly into eSF/KeSPA criticism.
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why no kespa AZUBU?? t(-_-)t
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what does azubu do? anyone knows?
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On February 14 2013 03:34 Grumbels wrote:
what does azubu do? anyone knows?
They are a 2012 made eSports media giant.
(I still don't know what they do -_-)
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On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history.
eSF ain't better.
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On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history.
well i would understand if people shittalk them for the real bad stuff they did.
but people here think they are evil because they enforce rules. because a guy got DQ and stuff. not because of some bad stuff. no just cause they enforce rules.
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Why would they want to join KeSPA? If they joined KeSPA, they would most likely be unable to compete in GSTL. You guys must have noticed that TL-EG isn't competing in GSTL. Proleague may be popular in Korea, but GSTL and GSL is much more popular in foreign scenes, which would help them get more foreign and Korean sponsors.
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On February 14 2013 06:30 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. well i would understand if people shittalk them for the real bad stuff they did. but people here think they are evil because they enforce rules. because a guy got DQ and stuff. not because of some bad stuff. no just cause they enforce rules.
Well... I'm especially pissed off by what they did when Nada and Boxer switched to SC2, and a lot of other things that have nothing to do with their rules. But I do not want to derail this thread further, for more read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
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So when do we get to add AZUBU team flair to our TL Profiles!? Soon hopefully?
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On February 14 2013 07:12 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 06:30 rasers wrote:On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. well i would understand if people shittalk them for the real bad stuff they did. but people here think they are evil because they enforce rules. because a guy got DQ and stuff. not because of some bad stuff. no just cause they enforce rules. Well... I'm especially pissed off by what they did when Nada and Boxer switched to SC2, and a lot of other things that have nothing to do with their rules. But I do not want to derail this thread further, for more read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
so you believe everything a random mad boy is saying?
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On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history.
bad organization wouldnt last for a decade and counting. Meanwhile we all know eSF wont be around for long.
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How will the trade embargo affect them?
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On February 14 2013 11:26 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 07:12 Ryps wrote:On February 14 2013 06:30 rasers wrote:On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. well i would understand if people shittalk them for the real bad stuff they did. but people here think they are evil because they enforce rules. because a guy got DQ and stuff. not because of some bad stuff. no just cause they enforce rules. Well... I'm especially pissed off by what they did when Nada and Boxer switched to SC2, and a lot of other things that have nothing to do with their rules. But I do not want to derail this thread further, for more read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 so you believe everything a random mad boy is saying? Pretty much all of that is objectively true or has been proven to be pretty likely. How much of that do you have actual arguments against as opposed to useless personal attacks?
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On February 14 2013 11:35 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. bad organization wouldnt last for a decade and counting. Meanwhile we all know eSF wont be around for long.
I can't find the relation between being good or bad organization and lasting long... I mean, there are pretty big examples of really bad organizations that lived twice as much or more. If they are getting money from somewhere why would they not last 10 years ? That does not mean that they are not using dirty tactics.
Good news for both Azubu and ESF. It was expected because all of their players were in ESF before. That was the most normal thing to happen. Lets hope that we will see NaDa(and his body) again in Azubu's bench
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On February 14 2013 11:35 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. bad organization wouldnt last for a decade and counting.
Wow. Just wow.
So being successful means you´re a decent guy. Now I know.
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On February 14 2013 15:56 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:35 Arceus wrote:On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. bad organization wouldnt last for a decade and counting. Meanwhile we all know eSF wont be around for long. I can't find the relation between being good or bad organization and lasting long... I mean, there are pretty big examples of really bad organizations that lived twice as much or more. If they are getting money from somewhere why would they not last 10 years ? That does not mean that they are not using dirty tactics. Good news for both Azubu and ESF. It was expected because all of their players were in ESF before. That was the most normal thing to happen. Lets hope that we will see NaDa(and his body) again in Azubu's bench
They are getting funding from their Korean sponsors.
It's not like they are Bank of America who are fucking over the world but are being funded by the idiots who bank with them and the illegal schemes they do to launder money.
They are being funded by Korean companies that like what KeSPA is doing, and trust them to continue providing good content to bring about revenue and entertainment.
If they were a bad organization, they would be dead. There is a direct collaboration that can't be ignored no matter how ignorant or defiant you are, of being good and lasting long.
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On February 14 2013 13:24 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:26 rasers wrote:On February 14 2013 07:12 Ryps wrote:On February 14 2013 06:30 rasers wrote:On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. well i would understand if people shittalk them for the real bad stuff they did. but people here think they are evil because they enforce rules. because a guy got DQ and stuff. not because of some bad stuff. no just cause they enforce rules. Well... I'm especially pissed off by what they did when Nada and Boxer switched to SC2, and a lot of other things that have nothing to do with their rules. But I do not want to derail this thread further, for more read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 so you believe everything a random mad boy is saying? Pretty much all of that is objectively true or has been proven to be pretty likely. How much of that do you have actual arguments against as opposed to useless personal attacks?
well since you guys believe everything a mad little boy is saying. there is no point in arguments. sadly.
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Glad we have yet another ESF team. Happy news to me ^^
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On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa)....
Like they had any choice?....
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On February 14 2013 16:20 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:35 Arceus wrote:On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. bad organization wouldnt last for a decade and counting. Wow. Just wow. So being successful means you´re a decent guy. Now I know.
Before this argument goes any further, I just wanted to say I think that the two of you are using 2 different definitions of bad. The poster is using the definition of bad as being incompetent, while you are using the definition of bad as immoral and unethical.
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Gratz to Azubu!
ESF seems to have the power to make or break a team (looking at SlayerS). I suppose it's a good thing to be a member
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Nadas payback for Kespa banning him after he did the show match for sc2 during beta.
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Does that mean Azubu won't be competing in the OGN LoL leagues?
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This is awesome! SC2 needs more teams and I expect azubu to be competing up at the top as they have been in LoL, in not too long.
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On February 14 2013 16:34 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 15:56 Pr0wler wrote:On February 14 2013 11:35 Arceus wrote:On February 14 2013 02:54 Ryps wrote:On February 13 2013 23:25 ArcadeR wrote:On February 13 2013 14:18 Bupalumpa wrote:
Good, the did not go to the Dark Side (Kespa).... Probably the most retarded statement here. Check the facts before you state such a bullshit like "good","bad"-esports organisation.... but most likely you are simply shouting stuff you heard/read from others without knowing something...not even worth arguing with someone that writes bullshit like this. BTT: Nice move, benefits both sides. Especially esf will be happy to have Azubu "under their coat" (at least for now). Maybe you should read more about Kespa, they are pretty bad considering their history. bad organization wouldnt last for a decade and counting. Meanwhile we all know eSF wont be around for long. I can't find the relation between being good or bad organization and lasting long... I mean, there are pretty big examples of really bad organizations that lived twice as much or more. If they are getting money from somewhere why would they not last 10 years ? That does not mean that they are not using dirty tactics. Good news for both Azubu and ESF. It was expected because all of their players were in ESF before. That was the most normal thing to happen. Lets hope that we will see NaDa(and his body) again in Azubu's bench They are getting funding from their Korean sponsors. It's not like they are Bank of America who are fucking over the world but are being funded by the idiots who bank with them and the illegal schemes they do to launder money. They are being funded by Korean companies that like what KeSPA is doing, and trust them to continue providing good content to bring about revenue and entertainment. If they were a bad organization, they would be dead. There is a direct collaboration that can't be ignored no matter how ignorant or defiant you are, of being good and lasting long.
You totally ignored that KESPA is actually fully supported by KR goverment, thats why they got all the big companies, thats why they can last as long as they want
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