Supernova gets a new look - Page 23

On December 29 2012 09:43 Empirimancer wrote:


But... it is worth it.

On December 29 2012 09:41 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

What a terrible thing to say :/ I never thought for second he looked "bad" but now that people can see the before/after, they're all, "Wow! He looks so much better!" implying that he was unattractive before, thus validating the train of thought that cosmetic facial surgery is totally worth with this type of backhanded compliment.

On December 29 2012 09:37 Tobberoth wrote:

This is very true, and the only really valid concern against the prevalence of plastic surgery IMO. I think it's fine if people want to do it, but if someone changes their face just because other people tell them to when they don't feel comfortable doing it, it's not fine anymore. That said, the same problem is common everywhere on a different scale... wear odd clothes? Bullied. Ugly hair? Bullied. We are a social animal and will adapt to the social norm, somehow.

On December 29 2012 10:01 zefreak wrote:


Are you saying that attractiveness and degrees of beauty don't exist? He DOES look better, to many people. That doesn't imply that he looked ugly, it just implies that he looked worse. He could have been a 9/10 before and be 10/10 now, for example.

On December 29 2012 06:16 Brutaxilos wrote:
For all those people claiming that Asians value a "western" look, I strongly disagree. Asians have always favored light skin and large eyes. As for hair dye, we don't dye our hair to "look" white, it's just really as a social class thing. Fashion always changes and those who can afford to flow with it are seen as beautiful.

On December 29 2012 10:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

Going from 9 to a 10 means he looks a "little better." But looking "SO MUCH better"?... It's obvious what they're saying.

On December 29 2012 10:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

Going from 9 to a 10 means he looks a "little better." But looking "SO MUCH better"?... It's obvious what they're saying.

On December 29 2012 09:19 lolmlg wrote:

The prevalence and relative affordability of plastic surgery in South Korea is a big social problem because it enables people to pressure others into getting it. Aunts who think their niece isn't pretty enough will harrass her until she does it, etc. It happens a lot. I hope Supernova is happy with his appearance now but I also hope that the source of his unhappiness wasn't another person.

On December 29 2012 10:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

You're right. Korean culture is probably one of the most rigid and socially brutal in the world, and from what people tell me, it's only getting worse. Screw caring an inconceivable amount about appearance, though. Individualism itself is highly frowned upon, and conformity is the name of the game. If you don't conform to and meet up to certain social and other standards, you aren't simply kind of looked down upon, you are almost mercilessly ostracized.

On December 29 2012 10:28 geokilla wrote:
He's thinking of being a KPOP idol once his programmer career is over isn't he...?

Man Koreans and their plastic...

On December 29 2012 10:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

You're right. Korean culture is probably one of the most rigid and socially brutal in the world, and from what people tell me, it's only getting worse. Screw caring an inconceivable amount about appearance, though. Individualism itself is highly frowned upon, and conformity is the name of the game. If you don't conform to and meet up to certain social and other standards, you aren't simply kind of looked down upon, you are almost mercilessly ostracized.

On December 29 2012 07:25 Tobberoth wrote:

The thing is, there's nothing naturally "good" about big eyes and pale skin. It could just as well be that westerners would want to look more yellowish and have smaller eyes, and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced.

It's obviously always up to the individual, but I find it weird any asians would take offence or deny the western influence when the most koreans who subject themselves to it don't deny it. Again, they don't want to look caucasian, but they look at western famous people and find their traits attractive. It's like when my asian friends from Japan and Korea come here and say the people here are so beautiful... well, they aren't, they are just westerners and happen to very commonly have those traits. I go around here and don't find the women all that attractive and instead react the same way in asia. It's exotic and different, I wouldn't marry a Korean if I found westerners more attractive, so this is not MY opinion at all, I'm just saying that if cosmetic surgeons in Korea in a documentary specifically state that most koreans they do work on ask for a "western style" or "western traits", there's probably a lot of truth in it.

EDIT: As for the comment on pale skin being beautiful because of it indicates wealth, there's a lot of truth in that as well, though I don't think it's fair to say it's like that in Korea because they were poor 50 years ago, because it's the exact same in Japan, women from Hokkaidou are considered very beautiful because of their pale skin, while the view of Okinawans is the opposite.