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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#161
Also, since Jinro's retirement, we can't count him as a foreign Terran anymore. He's a foreign Terran (Ret.).
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Goky
Profile Joined November 2010
United States10 Posts
December 19 2012 19:22 GMT
#162
PROUD to play Terran
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
December 19 2012 19:24 GMT
#163
People got bored playing Terran
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tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
December 19 2012 19:24 GMT
#164
I really think, at least at the levels underneath grandmaster, the reason is that Terran is the most UNFORGIVING race. Units wise, bio and mech are strong but both have blatant weaknesses.

In TVP, a couple of good storms, the Terran is dead. Terran is always playing a reactionary game to the high templar/colossi army. With extremely difficult to micro ghosts and vikings, a 200/200 protoss army almost always beats a 200/200 terran army.
Same thing goes with fungal. Bad positioning and the immobility of tanks make it hard for terrans against the highly mobile units of zerg.

I feel that foreign terrans are having trouble because everything listed above to be done effectively requires the highest level of multitasking, apm, and decision making. To be dropping and harassing while maintaining macro is extremely difficult. If I'm trying to control banshees and hellions, its really hard to keep up macro. If I'm microing ghosts with a different hotkey and trying to spread vs storm, same thing, my macro starts getting affected.

I'm just a diamond player and I realize that masters and grandmasters are at a completely different level, but still, the point is: #1) a little mistake = game over for terran. Only top koreans can consistently avoid these little mistakes. #2) hard to control without high apm (ie microing ghosts, splitting vs banelings, seige unseige) while macroing.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 19:32:43
December 19 2012 19:31 GMT
#165
i dont know about others terran is most fun to play
i guess people dont like to split units but rather put down spells, i'm the opposite, i love dodging storms and banes, i hate putting down forcefields and fungal (i actually avoid sentry/colossus/infestor in my playstyle)

it does make sense, greater result with less effort with spells rather than micro.
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RanDomFox
Profile Joined November 2012
United States84 Posts
December 19 2012 19:45 GMT
#166
On December 20 2012 04:22 Goky wrote:
PROUD to play Terran


PROUD Terraner too! :D
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Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
December 19 2012 19:48 GMT
#167
Most Random players I know say that Terran is the least forgiving, when they do make a mistake as Terran they feel they are being punished more severly compared to when they do similar mistakes as Zerg or Protoss. This would indicate that Korean Terrans have better results because they simply do less mistakes than Foreign Terrans, way less mistakes. Sounds reasonable to me...
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Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
December 19 2012 19:50 GMT
#168
On December 20 2012 04:19 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Also, since Jinro's retirement, we can't count him as a foreign Terran anymore. He's a foreign Terran (Ret.).


What? Jinro is not a foreign Terran but he is a foreign Terran? Im confused
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dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
December 19 2012 20:05 GMT
#169
On December 20 2012 04:22 Goky wrote:
PROUD to play Terran


HELL YEA BROTHER
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 20:10:48
December 19 2012 20:10 GMT
#170
The circlejerk is strong in this thread :D There are plenty of terrans just not great ones.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
December 19 2012 20:20 GMT
#171
I can't 2rax marauder vP on these maps, so I changed race ;_;

I'm sorry...
FnaticNaama
Profile Joined February 2010
Finland120 Posts
December 19 2012 20:26 GMT
#172
#TerranPride #yolo #swag
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
December 19 2012 20:32 GMT
#173
They're mad because they aren't as overpowered as they were in 2010.


On a serious note, I feel like the Terran race, far more than any other race, has been dominated by Koreans so any kind of Foreigner Terran play is overshadowed by Koreans.
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Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 20:34:48
December 19 2012 20:34 GMT
#174
Terran doesn't allow any mistakes, especially in TvZ. Also micro is way more important for Terran than for the other two races, which makes it harder to play.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
December 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#175
Terran macro is really easy to mess up, and most foreigners don't focus as much on perfecting their builds as Koreans do. One of the reasons LucifroN does so well (at least in TvZ) is that he almost exclusively goes for one rax expand into 4 hellions into banshee. Because he does it so religiously, it's as polished as a Korean build. Streamlining for Zerg is just getting to Hive as quickly as possible (see Scarlett).
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c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
December 19 2012 21:29 GMT
#176
terran is the least represented race because pro players play for money

koreans may pick racial pride and nostalgia over money (play terran == harder == i know myself that my korean friends who play T have a lot of pride to play as terran)

but foreigners never do. if stephano had the motivation to practice 8 hours per day, or nerchio wasn't also attending school I'm sure they could be competitive as terran, but the problem is that, even for some foreigner terrans, this still isn't enough to be successful in korea. think about how good the KR z and p are that play an equal amount of time? bomber practices 14 hours per day some days (i think during week) which is pretty much completely unhealthy and for me as a spectator worrying becuase i honestly care more for the players health than their results and that is basically giving himself 10 hours per day to sleep, eat, socialize, take care of committments. there is no foreigner in the world that will do this, so there is no foreigner in the world who will be successful as terran
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
December 19 2012 21:31 GMT
#177
On December 20 2012 06:03 DavoS wrote:
Terran macro is really easy to mess up, and most foreigners don't focus as much on perfecting their builds as Koreans do. One of the reasons LucifroN does so well (at least in TvZ) is that he almost exclusively goes for one rax expand into 4 hellions into banshee. Because he does it so religiously, it's as polished as a Korean build. Streamlining for Zerg is just getting to Hive as quickly as possible (see Scarlett).


You know, when I switched races I did kind of feel the same way. My builds as terran were much harder to refine and perfect, but as zerg, everything just seemed to... flow? I think would be the way I'd describe it.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 19 2012 21:31 GMT
#178
Terran is easy to play at low level with all-in, but on higher level, it's so difficult to be good.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
December 19 2012 21:39 GMT
#179
It's been discussed a million times already. The consensus is that Terran is the most mechanically demanding race, which plays into the Koreans' strengths and the foreigners' weakness.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3383 Posts
December 19 2012 21:39 GMT
#180
ZvT is very Zerg favoured, hence Terrans cannot perform.
Some of them changed race to Zerg, some cannot perform at the pro level anymore, because of it.
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