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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:30 AnomalySC2 wrote: Did you stop paying attention to the scene like a year and a half ago...or? do you know why terran ppl go for fast 3 cc bos in tvz? cauz zerg got their queen buff and terran cant punish zerg anymore in the early game thats why terrans often go for fast 3 CCs, dont blame terrans blame blizz | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:30 AnomalySC2 wrote: Did you stop paying attention to the scene like a year and a half ago...or? Because mass infestors is interesting. Because 2 years of collossus death balls is interesting. | ||
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
Terran rewards the most for good micro/mechanics and punishes for a lack of it compared to other races. | ||
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FinalForm
United States450 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9376 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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AceDSS
Canada33 Posts
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FireMonkey
Australia105 Posts
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truegaymer
United States32 Posts
also, a lot of you don't know much about the bw scene saying foreign z and p were the only ones who did anything and thats why theres no good foreign terrans cause its the same for sc2. the truth is foreigners zpt all did nothing, they were mostly measured on if they could take a game or more stunningly, a series off a korean. remember, they all achieved nothing vs koreans but heres a make shift list of those that made a splash zerg-sen, mondragon, cnstorm.......theres got to be more besides blackman protoss-Legend, pj, draco, white-ra, lefnaij, fisheye, grrrrrrrrr, legionarre terran-advokate, androide, strelok, bratok, super, phoenix66, assem, elky i included some old-schoolers on there but to say foreigners couldn't play terrans is a lie. near the end of bw the russian/ukraine terrans and whatever region that is were the scariest foreigners. still couldnt believe advokate taking a game off prime jaedong. edit :more fun facts- day9 played zerg was a top usa guy...bad mouth his casting and he'll settle it 1v1 artosis idra- played terran tasteless played toss | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
Foreign players has a more flexible training regime, so i doubt foreign terrans practise as much as the korean T's. Proofs? JInro said he was training 50 games a day during his peak in GSL, after that he lost the passion and couldn't practise as much and his performance dropped. Korean T's like Puma and Ganzi went into slumps after switching to foreign teams. Top top terrans like MVP and Taeja are injured (my bet is because of too much practising as well) But hell, like everyone said, even korean T's are collapsing now. All the Zergs seem breaming with confidence when their next matches are ZvT. The only Terran who is dominating now is Gumiho, but only in teamleagues so far. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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Mia
75 Posts
Just my oppinion. | ||
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number01
203 Posts
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Mia
75 Posts
On December 20 2012 16:02 number01 wrote: Pro players pick the race that can make them win the easiest because they have to make money. This might not apply to everyone. In the beginning, there were a lot of people playing terran because of how easy it was to win by cheesing, massing marines or doing other shenanigans. Now that the game is almost balanced, all the "easy" strategies that allowed terrans to win are gone and so are the players. not really, i still see korean terrans owning zerg/toss on kr gm ladder with 11/11, 1/1/1, eco cheeze and other pretty ez builds. And i doubt any pro actually picked race for ez winning.. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
if you dont know more its not about terran but about you ^^ they are way more superstrong terrans started with kas to naama... | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 20 2012 16:02 number01 wrote: Pro players pick the race that can make them win the easiest because they have to make money. This might not apply to everyone. In the beginning, there were a lot of people playing terran because of how easy it was to win by cheesing, massing marines or doing other shenanigans. Now that the game is almost balanced, all the "easy" strategies that allowed terrans to win are gone and so are the players. lol, do you know how long it takes to train to be a pro gamer? Do you think pro gamers will pick a race just because there is 1 or 2 builds that are easy to execute which can be nerfed next month? Slow ling all ins and roach all ins are easy to execute and effectively now. Yet I doubt aspiring progamer will say "Well, I am going to be zerg because I can use these all-ins". | ||
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wingless666
Germany27 Posts
I will try to sum it up a little bit. 1. The choice of race. Many good foreign players chose a non terran race. Maybe they played that race in BW or they thought terran had a boring design (they have the typical RTS - mechanics, that you find in every RTS since Dune 2 ). Or Zerg and Protoss had a more fancy / hip feeling to it. So one reason is chance and maybe cultural circumstances that only a few of the very good players chose Terran. (I dont think race switching is an issue, cause only Morrow switched from Terran to Zerg and TLO switched a lot till he decided for Zerg.) 2. The frust factor. I dont wanna talk about balance because i am to bad at the game to say something about balance. But maybe its not a balance issue in itselfe. Maybe its just that Terran feels harder or less forgiving or more frustrating than the other races. And the balance patches also frustrated some players. And with frustration starts a spiral of not training hard enough, not winning, loosing the passion to train hard and so on .... And the korean pro houses makes the koreans more disciplined so they dont fall into the frustration trap easily. 3. Maybe there is some kind of "skill - wall" that you have to master. And that hurdle is overcome only be a few foreign terrans. But the korean terrans have a havier focus on mechanics that allow them to overcome this hurlde easier. But i am sure the other races have equal "skill - walls " and had to work hard to overcome them. So maybe next year we will see more terrans, cause they overcame that wall ? 4. The metagame. In every sport there are highs and lows for different styles to play the game. And there are highs and lows for every style of play. And here we see that the terran style is in a low at the moment. Zerg and Protoss have worked hard to come up with good builds vs Terran. And now Terran has to work hard to create new builds. And this needs time. So i hope for next year to see more TvX in major tournaments. A third of the time would be nice. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 20 2012 11:56 gengka wrote: just my 2cents. Maybe terran is the most training intensive race? In order to be a top terran you need to practise more than anybody? Therefore Korean has the most numbers of top terrans because they are well known for their crazy training schedule. Foreign players has a more flexible training regime, so i doubt foreign terrans practise as much as the korean T's. Proofs? JInro said he was training 50 games a day during his peak in GSL, after that he lost the passion and couldn't practise as much and his performance dropped. Korean T's like Puma and Ganzi went into slumps after switching to foreign teams. Top top terrans like MVP and Taeja are injured (my bet is because of too much practising as well) But hell, like everyone said, even korean T's are collapsing now. All the Zergs seem breaming with confidence when their next matches are ZvT. The only Terran who is dominating now is Gumiho, but only in teamleagues so far. I think Terran is the most skill-up-keep intensive race, yeah. Zerg, to me, seems more about ground work preparation to make sure your game is tight at every stage (so a different type of skill), and Protoss it kinda depends on how you play --- i.e I think Hero's game is very practice dependent, but a more passive protoss style would be more similar to Zerg. I really want to make it clear that this doesn't mean I'm saying protoss or zerg take less skill, just that what it takes to be good at the 3 races is not entirely the same across the board. Terran's version of the above would probably be having a good balance between openers that can kinda win you the game outright... Something Puma did really, really, really well for a long time, and I think Demuslim kinda does as well. Taeja and MVP also good examples... Maybe nobody more so than MVP actually. | ||
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
On December 19 2012 19:05 blade55555 wrote: Also the common misconception from terrans is they think zergs/tosses just A move. If they just a moved then their army would be obliterated (unless they are just so far ahead they can A move, but terran can do that to ^^). Really ? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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