EPTWhy are there so few foreign terran players ? - Page 13
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dream-_-
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goody153
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i dont know .. just my hunch BTW | ||
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STChobo
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goody153
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On December 27 2012 03:10 RaYu wrote: playing mech,bio mech and pure bio is almost like playing different races with different timings etc. imo terran has the most options out of all races so it should be the strongest race but needless to say that its damn hard to master all of those in comparison to a 3 base into broodlord zerg style EDIT: forgot skyterran xD but thats rare to see, but still playable i think dont know for sure though uhhm not too sure .. i think toss has the most option .. and dont forget that mech terran doesnt really work well outside tvt .. bio-mech if im not mistaken are marine-tank or bio-mine right ? this only work on tvt and/or tvz .. i think what makes terran insanely powerful in the right hands is because of highly cost efficient and microable t1 units .. skyterran is also too costly and hard to transition .. since well most terrans die before they could transition | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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Jawra
Sweden146 Posts
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Lephex
Germany153 Posts
i think you might be terran by yourself, am i right ? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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B40
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like come on, 1 bane kills like 10 marines!! and 1 colossus also kills like 10 marines!!!!!! and 1 tank kills like 6 marines!!!!!!!!!!!! like Come On TERRAN IS SO WEAK in case you're not aware, this post is sarcastic and it's for all those 'terran is underpowered and hard to play and so it makes me special for playing terran (etc)' folks but i think the question should be more like, why do so many korean play terran rather than to question the lack of foreign terrans | ||
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:00 B40 wrote: OBVIOUSLY because terran is the hardest race to play!!1 like come on, 1 bane kills like 10 marines!! and 1 colossus also kills like 10 marines!!!!!! and 1 tank kills like 6 marines!!!!!!!!!!!! like Come On TERRAN IS SO WEAK in case you're not aware, this post is sarcastic and it's for all those 'terran is underpowered and hard to play and so it makes me special for playing terran (etc)' folks but i think the question should be more like, why do so many korean play terran rather than to question the lack of foreign terrans Because as has been discussed above, it's the hardest mechanically but has the highest skill ceiling. Top tier foreign Terrans are few and far between because they're mechanically inferior to Korean Terran's and handicapped against other foreign players. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:08 DKR wrote: Because as has been discussed above, it's the hardest mechanically but has the highest skill ceiling. Top tier foreign Terrans are few and far between because they're mechanically inferior to Korean Terran's and handicapped against other foreign players. I love all the terrans, because they are so "on message". They all keep to their talking points and make sure to hit all highs. Mechanical skill, skill ceiling and that Korean terrans are super human, which is why foreign terrans don't do well. So if they are losing, its because the other races are to easy to play. If a Korean wins or does well, its because they are better. With these simple, but well thought out arguments, they can be both under powered and over powered at the same time. | ||
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B40
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On September 10 2013 06:08 DKR wrote: Because as has been discussed above, it's the hardest mechanically but has the highest skill ceiling. Top tier foreign Terrans are few and far between because they're mechanically inferior to Korean Terran's and handicapped against other foreign players. see, i'm a terran myself I'd agree that terran mechanics is difficult...but not That more difficult than those of zerg and protoss I don't think there is particularly a lack of foreign terrans; race distribution is fine, it's just at the highest levels, there are less foreign terrans. but this mindset of 'koreans being able to handle terran; foreigners not being able to keep up' has to stop your statements imply that 1) foreigners have worse mechanics than koreans 2) if you play terran, you are handicapped against other non terran players what you should think about 1) i'm not sure if people would agree with this, like you think naniwa agrees with you?; are you saying genetically koreans are better at mechanics? 2) by that logic, if the all the top korean terrans switched races right now, they should win everything ever | ||
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HungrySC2
United States191 Posts
Terran can be overpowered and underpowered at the same time. It comes with the territory. This isn't chess. This is an asymmetrical game. Protoss and Zerg 1A are much stronger than Terran 1A. Terran also lacks easy to execute cheeses in the early game, when compared to the Protoss and Zerg counterparts. In the current metagame/balance terran micro and multitask potential is much higher than for Protoss and Zerg. Until you have the mechanical ability to "abuse" the micro/multitask potential of the Terran race, it's completely logical for most Terran players to feel that their race is underpowered. As long as we can accept that the balance design is for the best players in the world, and not for the average player we will do just fine. This is the way it is in Broodwar, and I see no reason to change it. The stumbling block is not that people don't like Terran. It's that it's disproportionately more frustrating to lose as a Terran as it is as another race. This either discourages the growth of Terran players, or they switch to a more consistent race. The amount of cheeses that can kill a Terran is atleast twice the number of cheeses that can kill the other races. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:35 HungrySC2 wrote: "They can be both under powered and over powered at the same time." Terran can be overpowered and underpowered at the same time. It comes with the territory. This isn't chess. This is an asymmetrical game. Protoss and Zerg 1A are much stronger than Terran 1A. Terran also lacks easy to execute cheeses in the early game, when compared to the Protoss and Zerg counterparts. In the current metagame/balance terran micro and multitask potential is much higher than for Protoss and Zerg. Until you have the mechanical ability to "abuse" the micro/multitask potential of the Terran race, it's completely logical for most Terran players to feel that their race is underpowered. As long as we can accept that the balance design is for the best players in the world, and not for the average player we will do just fine. This is the way it is in Broodwar, and I see no reason to change it. Terrans, always on message. He hit the best points to, "balanced for the professionals" and "1-A units" for both Zerg and protoss. The best part about that reasoning is that you can lose games to other players on your "skill level" and still feel like your better than them, because your race is harder. Its the race of the professionals that you can only hope to one day master. Until then, those other races with their A-move units will beat you because they have taken the easier, darker path. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:14 Plansix wrote: I love all the terrans, because they are so "on message". They all keep to their talking points and make sure to hit all highs. Mechanical skill, skill ceiling and that Korean terrans are super human, which is why foreign terrans don't do well. So if they are losing, its because the other races are to easy to play. If a Korean wins or does well, its because they are better. With these simple, but well thought out arguments, they can be both under powered and over powered at the same time. Well, you gotta admit that it's a pretty clever plan. Huehuehue. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
People associate their anecdotal experience with factual truth causing them to twist any evidence that supports their mindset as indisputable. The truth is that there are less successful foreign Terrans than successful foreign Zergs/Toss. This does not mean Terran is harder for feeble foreigners and simply means exactly what it shows--that there are less players. People enjoy using this discrepancy as their excuse for not being as good as they could be; that is bullshit. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
Players like Stephano, Scarlett, Suppy, are so good mechanically it's scary sometimes | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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HungrySC2
United States191 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote: Terrans, always on message. He hit the best points to, "balanced for the professionals" and "1-A units" for both Zerg and protoss. The best part about that reasoning is that you can lose games to other players on your "skill level" and still feel like your better than them, because your race is harder. Its the race of the professionals that you can only hope to one day master. Until then, those other races with their A-move units will beat you because they have taken the easier, darker path. I didn't say that was the reason why you lose games to other players of your skill level. Matchmaking puts you in que with someone you should beat 50% of the time and lose the other 50% of the time. I don't feel better or worse than the people I'm que'd against. It's pretty widely accepted that Terran is the most frustrating and hardest race to play at low levels just because of the effectiveness of A move in comparison to the other races. I'm just pointing out that this game isn't balanced for the average player, and it is fair for a Terran player to feel frustrated with how hard it is to make their units work effectively. | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:14 Plansix wrote: [...] With these simple, but well thought out arguments, they can be both under powered and over powered at the same time. On September 10 2013 06:33 B40 wrote: [...] 2) by that logic, if the all the top korean terrans switched races right now, they should win everything ever I always see ^ these counter arguments, but they don't actually refute anything. Let's first look at some facts: -Koreans are better than foreigners. (No, not genetically, but why they are better is not relevant to the issue at hand) -A small selection of Korean Terrans are the most successful players in SC2. -Foreign Terrans are nowhere to be found. -Races are not identical (thus have different skill curves). I have illustrated a very simplified model that is both logical and plausible. Race Blue has difficult yet potentially powerful tools at their disposal which rely on extreme expertise. Race green has easy-to-use straightforward tools that benefit less from better use. Until a certain "skill level" one race has the advantage, after that the other. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9vEfs2k.png) Now, without going into your passive-aggressive modes and desperately trying to defend your race, think about this for a little bit. Think about other games, different weapons in shooters, different classes in rpg's, etc. This is almost always how it works. The difference is that you are much more committed to your race in sc2/rts, which seems to make people a lot more emotional. | ||
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