EPTWhy are there so few foreign terran players ? - Page 15
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 11 2013 15:03 Whatson wrote: Well then plansix, why do you think there are so few successful foreigner Terrans? Correlation =/= causation lack of top foreign terrans not mean terrans are harder to play for the same reason my never having seen africa with my own two eyes doesn't mean that africa does not really exist. | ||
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
On September 10 2013 06:35 HungrySC2 wrote: Protoss and Zerg 1A are much stronger than Terran 1A. Terran also lacks easy to execute cheeses in the early game, when compared to the Protoss and Zerg counterparts. Weakest 1A depends on unit combo, and most of the time its Z. | ||
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mjnbowlgod
198 Posts
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
In the era of imbabat drops, there where change in the ammount of good foreing terrans. Instead, the already good got an unfair advantage, that they abused for a few months. Now, most terran players nowadays go mmmw (marine maraduer medivavc widowmine), which is a very cheap but fragile unit combosition, until you get enough marauders and medivacs out. This unit combo, mmmw, emphazises mobility, while granting strong defensive options, and zoning(the ability to cut off portions of the map from the other player, aka a siege). This requirethe user to have a few qualities, in order to play for maximum effect: - Speed (APM) - Attention. The ability to not tunnelvision(something like 95% of the entire gaming community suffers from tunnelvision, because they want to look at the pretty things on the screen. Zero tunnelvision means that you don't give a flying f!ck about how the units or graphics look, as long as they are simple to read). - Knowleagde of enemies timings and counters to your playstyle - Ability to confuse your enemy(mindgames) ___________________ TL;DR If you go for the mmmw combosition, and is not already in masters league, then you are making it hard on yourself, and the rate at which you progress in skill will be alot slower, as you will have too many things to focus on at once. I suggest starting with mech, or do a bunch of maraduer/hellion all ins. ... I know a lot of people will scorn me for suggesting these things, however doing maraduer/hellion all ins will force them to have good macro, atleast for the first 10 min, while alson teaching them about timings, harass, unit weakness/strenght. While doing standard macro will force you to learn about all these things on an advanced level, the level where you have to actually read and calculate what your opponent can do/will do, which is not feasible under masters, if you want to not screw your own shizzle up meanwhile. LAST TL;DR Don't focus on macro oriented playstyles before you reach masters. It's a waste of your time, as it require a lot of skills before you can actually benefit from it. | ||
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
Now.. what can you say about foreigner terrans.. there are some, also up and coming T players. If you take Polt - you can count also them as foreigners. Now.. terran players which did good lately are Lucifron, Demuslim, QCX, Daishy (daishy is the new wave of terran). They are not that many... and yes.... all the ucranian/russian terrans kind of disappeared for one reason or another, but even if you go back 1-2years you will not find any good terrans expect Jinro in the foreigner scene. Also Thorzain is slacking. So i guess in general in the foreign scene are not that many terran players comapred to protoss or zerg.. they are like 10 good terrans compared to 15-20 protoss and like 15 zergs.. These numbers are made up... but it is somehow real. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On September 10 2013 00:52 dream-_- wrote: woops dat necro...  We should be happy about Terran being how "hard" it is, the last time Blizzard did a patch for white people somthing called "Broodlord/Infestor" came out. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On September 11 2013 15:40 jarod wrote: Well this topics sounds like koreans are better then foreigners.. we all know this so... will not say nothing on this side. Now.. what can you say about foreigner terrans.. there are some, also up and coming T players. If you take Polt - you can count also them as foreigners. Now.. terran players which did good lately are Lucifron, Demuslim, QCX, Daishy (daishy is the new wave of terran). They are not that many... and yes.... all the ucranian/russian terrans kind of disappeared for one reason or another, but even if you go back 1-2years you will not find any good terrans expect Jinro in the foreigner scene. Also Thorzain is slacking. So i guess in general in the foreign scene are not that many terran players comapred to protoss or zerg.. they are like 10 good terrans compared to 15-20 protoss and like 15 zergs.. These numbers are made up... but it is somehow real. Stop..Writing...Like...This... | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On September 11 2013 15:43 USvBleakill wrote: dat necro... We should be happy about Terran being how "hard" it is, the last time Blizzard did a patch for white people somthing called "Broodlord/Infestor" came out. That would actually be the medivac speed boost patch @_@ | ||
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kckkryptonite
1126 Posts
On September 10 2013 07:06 teddyoojo wrote: cuz terran is shit of ur not korean This... could've been said more eloquently to be more sensitive to the other races... All I know is I see foreign Z/P's beat Koreans every now and again, but foreigner T's beating Koreans is something that happens few and far between. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On September 11 2013 15:11 samuraibael wrote: Weakest 1A depends on unit combo, and most of the time its Z. Not when Z survived the 2/2 phase and is building ultras, which are designed to just charge in followed by banes and lings. Also Z has hydra roach corrupter in vP, which is also very light in the micro department. All in all i think its just the design of terran 1. units efficiency scales with micro invested 2. multitasking and harassing is necessary in some match ups to compensate for the weaker units in head on engagements. Foreign terrans are not exactly strong in both things. Imo all foreigners should start playing mech and start hoping that blizz makes it viable against P and Z. | ||
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pmp10
3318 Posts
On September 11 2013 17:27 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Foreign terrans are not exactly strong in both things. Imo all foreigners should start playing mech and start hoping that blizz makes it viable against P and Z. Even foreign terrans win much more with bio than mech. And mech in HotS is staying where it is. Bad skill scaling or not - it's pretty clear that Blizzard is not willing to make fundamental changes to terran. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On September 11 2013 17:39 pmp10 wrote: Even foreign terrans win much more with bio than mech. And mech in HotS is staying where it is. Bad skill scaling or not - it's pretty clear that Blizzard is not willing to make fundamental changes to terran. Nor are they willing to make any fundemental changes to any race. Zerg is about as fun to watch and/play, as watching paint dry. But maybe that is just me that lost the enjoyment. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 11 2013 22:11 TeeTS wrote: I guess all the good non korean players just picked protoss or zerg by coincidence. Things like this just happen in a big playerbase of several tenthousands of players - you can´t allways have an equal distribution, no matter how big your sample size is..... OH WAIT! IMHO Most good non-korean players have WC3 background so they picked races and playstyles according to the race they used to play in WC3 rather than coincidence. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On September 11 2013 22:11 TeeTS wrote: I guess all the good non korean players just picked protoss or zerg by coincidence. Things like this just happen in a big playerbase of several tenthousands of players - you can´t allways have an equal distribution, no matter how big your sample size is..... OH WAIT! Are you implying that there are tens of thousands of good non korean players?  | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On September 11 2013 15:03 Whatson wrote: Well then plansix, why do you think there are so few successful foreigner Terrans? ...you're not seriously trying to pull off that argument are you? Because its the same argument that Terrans dismiss out of hand when everyone else brings up how riotously successful Korean Terrans tend to be. Anyone who points out that Terran has more GSL medals than Protoss and Zerg put together gets "they were just better " (although certain patch changes indicated otherwise). Therefore there being so few successful foreigner Terrans is nothing to do with balance its just they're not as good. Its worth noting that in HotS Terran has more Premier tournament wins in HotS than Protoss and Zerg put together, incidentally. Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments You can't have it both ways so pick one. That is a HELL of a necro though. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
It doesn't make Terran underpowered or lacking in the game, but it makes it harder for players without the hand speed and keyboard skill to really bring out the full potential of the race. | ||
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Arkani
Austria60 Posts
but oh well,.. it was like that since 2011 or so when we started to import koreans everywhere. (well some foreigners could/can hold themselfs but hey.. these 3 or so do not really help us out in general) on topic: i don't really think its only the apm req. but also the why play human if i can play monsters/aliens thingy.. to an extend | ||
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