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EpicDemente
Profile Joined November 2012
Chile202 Posts
September 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#261
Terran requires more mechanical skill than the other races, mechanics that foreigners dont have compared to Koreans
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never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
September 09 2013 22:38 GMT
#262
Beacuse they just retierd :D
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SaWse
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium102 Posts
September 09 2013 22:39 GMT
#263
plat league terrans come here to cry after their losses on the ladder, nice thread.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 09 2013 22:50 GMT
#264
On September 10 2013 07:39 SaWse wrote:
plat league terrans come here to cry after their losses on the ladder, nice thread.


Can a mod close this thread, please

Ladder loss whiners will fill this thread with tears, it's not worth it.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 09 2013 22:54 GMT
#265
Plansix's underlying point is that this argument is a dead end as far as discussion goes. There's no argument that can be made for or against that rises above the level of contradiction. It may be theory that seems to fit the situation as far as you can tell, but that's all we can really say.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 09 2013 23:08 GMT
#266
On September 10 2013 07:54 Jerubaal wrote:
Plansix's underlying point is that this argument is a dead end as far as discussion goes. There's no argument that can be made for or against that rises above the level of contradiction. It may be theory that seems to fit the situation as far as you can tell, but that's all we can really say.


Its a purely anecdotal narrative, no different from "the earth is flat, because hey, I look outside and it looks flat"

Mostly its an outlet for angry player who want to shift blame of their inequities to race instead of to their own personal saga.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
September 09 2013 23:10 GMT
#267
This old thread haha. I would say historically Terran is just the race of Korea. And Protoss and zerg are foreigner
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 23:14:58
September 09 2013 23:12 GMT
#268
On September 10 2013 07:16 HungrySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:35 HungrySC2 wrote:
"They can be both under powered and over powered at the same time."

Terran can be overpowered and underpowered at the same time. It comes with the territory. This isn't chess. This is an asymmetrical game.

Protoss and Zerg 1A are much stronger than Terran 1A. Terran also lacks easy to execute cheeses in the early game, when compared to the Protoss and Zerg counterparts.

In the current metagame/balance terran micro and multitask potential is much higher than for Protoss and Zerg.

Until you have the mechanical ability to "abuse" the micro/multitask potential of the Terran race, it's completely logical for most Terran players to feel that their race is underpowered. As long as we can accept that the balance design is for the best players in the world, and not for the average player we will do just fine. This is the way it is in Broodwar, and I see no reason to change it.


Terrans, always on message. He hit the best points to, "balanced for the professionals" and "1-A units" for both Zerg and protoss. The best part about that reasoning is that you can lose games to other players on your "skill level" and still feel like your better than them, because your race is harder. Its the race of the professionals that you can only hope to one day master. Until then, those other races with their A-move units will beat you because they have taken the easier, darker path.


I didn't say that was the reason why you lose games to other players of your skill level. Matchmaking puts you in que with someone you should beat 50% of the time and lost the other 50% of the time. I don't feel better or worse than the people I'm que'd against. It's pretty widely accepted that Terran is the most frustrating and hardest race to play at low levels just because of the effectiveness of A move in comparison to the other races. I'm just pointing out that this game isn't balanced for the average player, and it is fair for a Terran player to feel frustrated with how hard it is to make their units work effectively.


Oh man, lets go straight to the classic dota 2 argument of "Its the match making that made me lose the game! They are holding my glory back with their need to keep me at 50%" Seriously, that is what people do because they can't whine about the other races being imbalanced, because everyone can pick everything.(though the match making does get fucked up by smurf accounts)

And it is widely accepted that Terrans like to say their race is the hardest and required the highest mechanical skill at low levels. They also like to say the game isn't balanced for them, because they aren't top tier GSL players. It is the perfect argument. Your losses are never your fault and terran starts winning everything in Korea, you can just claim its because they are the perfect starcraft humans. You can never lose, because all the other players took the easy path and picked zerg or protoss.

On September 10 2013 08:08 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 07:54 Jerubaal wrote:
Plansix's underlying point is that this argument is a dead end as far as discussion goes. There's no argument that can be made for or against that rises above the level of contradiction. It may be theory that seems to fit the situation as far as you can tell, but that's all we can really say.


Its a purely anecdotal narrative, no different from "the earth is flat, because hey, I look outside and it looks flat"

Mostly its an outlet for angry player who want to shift blame of their inequities to race instead of to their own personal saga.


Why blame yourself when you have a way to blame everything else? If its not balance, its because the map favored the race that isn't mine or some other BS. Seriously, I know I am bad at SC2 and Dota and I just take my lumps and move on.
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BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
September 09 2013 23:23 GMT
#269
On September 10 2013 06:35 HungrySC2 wrote:
"They can be both under powered and over powered at the same time."

Terran can be overpowered and underpowered at the same time. It comes with the territory. This isn't chess. This is an asymmetrical game.

Protoss and Zerg 1A are much stronger than Terran 1A. Terran also lacks easy to execute cheeses in the early game, when compared to the Protoss and Zerg counterparts.

The amount of cheeses that can kill a Terran is atleast twice the number of cheeses that can kill the other races.


what a joke.. this post is so far off the mark I don't even know where to begin .
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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
September 09 2013 23:24 GMT
#270
Just put this in the OP and close the thread:

On September 10 2013 07:18 mechengineer123 wrote:
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 09 2013 23:24 GMT
#271
On September 10 2013 08:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 07:16 HungrySC2 wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:35 HungrySC2 wrote:
"They can be both under powered and over powered at the same time."

Terran can be overpowered and underpowered at the same time. It comes with the territory. This isn't chess. This is an asymmetrical game.

Protoss and Zerg 1A are much stronger than Terran 1A. Terran also lacks easy to execute cheeses in the early game, when compared to the Protoss and Zerg counterparts.

In the current metagame/balance terran micro and multitask potential is much higher than for Protoss and Zerg.

Until you have the mechanical ability to "abuse" the micro/multitask potential of the Terran race, it's completely logical for most Terran players to feel that their race is underpowered. As long as we can accept that the balance design is for the best players in the world, and not for the average player we will do just fine. This is the way it is in Broodwar, and I see no reason to change it.


Terrans, always on message. He hit the best points to, "balanced for the professionals" and "1-A units" for both Zerg and protoss. The best part about that reasoning is that you can lose games to other players on your "skill level" and still feel like your better than them, because your race is harder. Its the race of the professionals that you can only hope to one day master. Until then, those other races with their A-move units will beat you because they have taken the easier, darker path.


I didn't say that was the reason why you lose games to other players of your skill level. Matchmaking puts you in que with someone you should beat 50% of the time and lost the other 50% of the time. I don't feel better or worse than the people I'm que'd against. It's pretty widely accepted that Terran is the most frustrating and hardest race to play at low levels just because of the effectiveness of A move in comparison to the other races. I'm just pointing out that this game isn't balanced for the average player, and it is fair for a Terran player to feel frustrated with how hard it is to make their units work effectively.


Oh man, lets go straight to the classic dota 2 argument of "Its the match making that made me lose the game! They are holding my glory back with their need to keep me at 50%" Seriously, that is what people do because they can't whine about the other races being imbalanced, because everyone can pick everything.(though the match making does get fucked up by smurf accounts)

And it is widely accepted that Terrans like to say their race is the hardest and required the highest mechanical skill at low levels. They also like to say the game isn't balanced for them, because they aren't top tier GSL players. It is the perfect argument. Your losses are never your fault and terran starts winning everything in Korea, you can just claim its because they are the perfect starcraft humans. You can never lose, because all the other players took the easy path and picked zerg or protoss.

Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 08:08 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On September 10 2013 07:54 Jerubaal wrote:
Plansix's underlying point is that this argument is a dead end as far as discussion goes. There's no argument that can be made for or against that rises above the level of contradiction. It may be theory that seems to fit the situation as far as you can tell, but that's all we can really say.


Its a purely anecdotal narrative, no different from "the earth is flat, because hey, I look outside and it looks flat"

Mostly its an outlet for angry player who want to shift blame of their inequities to race instead of to their own personal saga.


Why blame yourself when you have a way to blame everything else? If its not balance, its because the map favored the race that isn't mine or some other BS. Seriously, I know I am bad at SC2 and Dota and I just take my lumps and move on.


Blaming the matchmaking system is the FUNNIEST excuse I've ever heard for a loss. I can't laugh like that too often at work since I'm in an office, but damn that's some funny ass shit.


Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
JDI1
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
September 09 2013 23:26 GMT
#272
As long as Korean terrans are still winning major tournaments this discussion won't change anything really...They clearly showed that terran can do well against zerg or protoss of roughly the same skill level, if foreigner terrans keep losing that just means they didn't make the cut.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
September 09 2013 23:49 GMT
#273
It's harder to be pro-level with Terran than the other two races.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
September 10 2013 00:01 GMT
#274
On September 10 2013 08:49 SniXSniPe wrote:
It's harder to be pro-level with Terran than the other two races.


I wonder what race you play..
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 10 2013 00:04 GMT
#275
I really really disagree with the argument that terran is simply harder.

Whatever this topic is going nowhere.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 04:39:08
September 11 2013 04:34 GMT
#276
On September 10 2013 09:01 JacobShock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 08:49 SniXSniPe wrote:
It's harder to be pro-level with Terran than the other two races.


I wonder what race you play..


When you can get GM as Random, or Terran, let me know.


I didn't mean it's harder to play at the highest of levels as Terran. I simply meant it's easier to reach a level capable of playing against other top foreigners/lower level Koreans as the other races compared to Terran.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 11 2013 04:51 GMT
#277
I'm just a scrub masters random player, but I honestly believe Terran has the highest mechanics requirement by a large margin.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
September 11 2013 05:05 GMT
#278
At the very least, let's all agree that Terran is the most manly race.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 11 2013 05:17 GMT
#279
On September 11 2013 14:05 ZenithM wrote:
At the very least, let's all agree that Terran is the most manly race.


Well it's definitely the most human race

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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 11 2013 05:57 GMT
#280
On September 11 2013 14:17 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 14:05 ZenithM wrote:
At the very least, let's all agree that Terran is the most manly race.


Well it's definitely the most human race



Which makes him tautologically correct doesn't it?

Terran being the race of Man is, by definition, the manliest race.
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