EPTWhy are there so few foreign terran players ? - Page 10
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On December 20 2012 05:26 FnaticNaama wrote: #TerranPride #yolo #swag you go gurl #winning HSC3 #+ Show Spoiler + 2-0 MC but yeah basically the game is balanced for godlike korean terrans, not foreigner terrans. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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sambo400
United States378 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On December 20 2012 06:39 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: It's been discussed a million times already. The consensus is that Terran is the most mechanically demanding race, which plays into the Koreans' strengths and the foreigners' weakness. I don't think that's really the problem. I think Terran gets screwed over purely from a build order PoV. They've nerfed all of Terran's tools that are supposed to kill greedy play. Now players are allowed to be as greedy as they want without any fear and this has caused the metagame to develop unnaturally. None of the races in SC2 are nearly as mechanically demanding as they are in BW and yet we still see many of the BW legends not shine in SC2 (or quit outright. Like Nada, Sea, July, etc etc) so I don't think it's that Terran is simply too hard to play from a skill perspective. The race just starts games with a build order disadvantage. Maybe some of you all haven't been around since sc2 beta/launch but Terran was considered to be incredibly faceroll early on. They haven't added in extra skills to the race or anything, all they've done is nerf Terran openers. So again, I think Terran just starts games off with a big disadvantage and that is why it seems so hard to play in the mid and late game, your opponents are getting away with greed they never were intended to have. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
On December 20 2012 06:46 SupLilSon wrote: Terran is the most mechanically demanding race, the least forgiving, has the steepest learning curve, takes the most effort and practice and has been getting progressively boned by maps and patches. This. I also think that Terran is inherently flawed in that its made the reactionary race in TvZ and TvP despite the fact that the production mechanics of Terran make it the hardest race to shift compositions. Zerg, for example, can go from brood lords into ultras which require dramatically different unit compositions and often Terrans die after that transition just because they don't time to properly shift their army compositions. In TvP it's similar but not as profound an issue as in TvZ just because Protoss has a weaker production mechanic than Zerg. It's still stupid how much ghosts cost though. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
On December 20 2012 04:24 PiQLiQ wrote: People got bored playing Terran  Bored?? Terran is the most innovative and exciting race. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On December 20 2012 07:12 Willzzz wrote: Bored?? Terran is the most innovative and exciting race. not really this used to be true now it's just 3 CC builds every TvZ, variations are baiscally "do i get cloak or start 1/1 earlier?" and 1 rax fe into +1, stim 4 marauders and 2 medivacs push every TvP while yes terran has other options that are seen at a pro level, how many different forms of expand builds do you see out of zerg or protoss? Protoss can open 1gate fe into blink, into 6gate, into 3gate robotics and 2 forges, into a quick third nexus followed by a huge gate push. They can open 1 base blinkobs on virtually every map and it's effective against every terran opening, they can open expand into dark templar. Zerg can open 15h gasless up to 6 queens (or 8 if you are DRG), can do that early speedling attack, a roach push with no speed, 2 base mutalisks or infestors are both viable and common in code S, infestor burrow rush (9:30, byul, hyun, drg, ETC have all been able to take a third base and burrow infestors past terran lines because a 9min "front of the base" turret just doesn't exist in the current meta there are a lot of people that feel this way, including myself which is why i play random now. terran just isn't fun. there is no variety to the race because it's infantry and medivacs are so good that everything else has been nerfed. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On December 20 2012 07:44 c0sm0naut wrote: not really this used to be true now it's just 3 CC builds every TvZ, variations are baiscally "do i get cloak or start 1/1 earlier?" and 1 rax fe into +1, stim 4 marauders and 2 medivacs push every TvP while yes terran has other options that are seen at a pro level, how many different forms of expand builds do you see out of zerg or protoss? Protoss can open 1gate fe into blink, into 6gate, into 3gate robotics and 2 forges, into a quick third nexus followed by a huge gate push. They can open 1 base blinkobs on virtually every map and it's effective against every terran opening, they can open expand into dark templar. Zerg can open 15h gasless up to 6 queens (or 8 if you are DRG), can do that early speedling attack, a roach push with no speed, 2 base mutalisks or infestors are both viable and common in code S, infestor burrow rush (9:30, byul, hyun, drg, ETC have all been able to take a third base and burrow infestors past terran lines because a 9min "front of the base" turret just doesn't exist in the current meta there are a lot of people that feel this way, including myself which is why i play random now. terran just isn't fun. there is no variety to the race because it's infantry and medivacs are so good that everything else has been nerfed. And who are these top foreign terrans that switched races because the race was boring? | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On December 20 2012 07:12 Willzzz wrote: Bored?? Terran is the most innovative and exciting race. Did you stop paying attention to the scene like a year and a half ago...or? | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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vNmMasterT
68 Posts
worst lategame (before the mass orbitals and minimum scv stage) worst unit production worst tech switch capabilities worst static base defense worst mobility most squishy army Still, it is not like Terran is impossibly difficult to play. Fact is toss and zerg are much easier to play (way too easy at top level imo). Progamers play for money, so it is not hard to understand why foreigners, who both suck at this game and are too lazy to really dedicate themselves, mostly pick toss and zerg. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Koreans are the best at mechanics so they are the best at Terran. Blizzard also kept nerfing Terran because of MVP despite not even other pros being able to do what he could. That made Terran even harder and people just gave up or got dominated and never qualified for anything. | ||
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Celestia
Mexico376 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:41 vNmMasterT wrote: Terran has: worst lategame (before the mass orbitals and minimum scv stage) worst unit production worst tech switch capabilities worst static base defense worst mobility most squishy army Still, it is not like Terran is impossibly difficult to play. Fact is toss and zerg are much easier to play (way too easy at top level imo). Progamers play for money, so it is not hard to understand why foreigners, who both suck at this game and are too lazy to really dedicate themselves, mostly pick toss and zerg. Agree on everything except the worst static base defense. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On December 20 2012 08:41 vNmMasterT wrote: Terran has: worst lategame (before the mass orbitals and minimum scv stage) worst unit production worst tech switch capabilities worst static base defense worst mobility most squishy army Still, it is not like Terran is impossibly difficult to play. Fact is toss and zerg are much easier to play (way too easy at top level imo). Progamers play for money, so it is not hard to understand why foreigners, who both suck at this game and are too lazy to really dedicate themselves, mostly pick toss and zerg. I don't understand how shit like this isn't banned. User was warned for this post | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On December 19 2012 18:34 mikkmagro wrote: LucifroN MajOr Thorzain Illusion Kas Happy Beastyqt BratOK DeMusliM Naama, GoOdy and ClouD to a lesser extent. qxc and SjoW used to be pretty good as well. Of those guy you listed, there have been 3 premiere tournament wins. 2 from thorzain and an old dreamhack by naama. Lets look at toss: Naniwa, White-ra, Huk and mana, combine for 8. And for zerg: Stephano, Idra, Nerchio Dimaga and ret together have won 9. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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LTY
United States223 Posts
I tried playing Terran since nobody plays Terran now days, and it was difficult to play when I hit Master with that. This is just my opinion, no troll intended. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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