Fnatic is sad to announce that our famous Zerg player Moon will be leaving the team at the end of the month. Despite doing well in some team leagues and performing decently for FnaticRaidCall in his individual tournaments, his results have not met our expectations and the decision was made for the two parties to go their separate ways. We wish Moon the best of luck in his future endeavors.
Though he was a legend at WC3, the move over to StarCraft 2 has not been full of the results that either Moon or Fnatic wanted. His tournament resume includes a number of close calls, taking silver in tournaments like the NVIDIA Gaming Festival this year and last year's DreamHack Summer.
Good for Fnatic. More teams should be purging the dead weight off their payrolls to stay financially viable.
Moon was great in his day but just hasn't done much in SC2 for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires or switches to LoL. Wasn't he playing WC3 at WCG? Is he even an SC2 player anymore?
On December 12 2012 06:02 jnsjr wrote: Yikes. Can't remember the last time I read a release statement where the primary result given was lack of results T_T. Good luck to Moon and Fnatic.
I think last time I saw it explicitly was ToD, but it's kinda obvious in many occasions that it's results/performance related, even if teams don't explicitly say it.
I think Moon will probably retire. He has wife and a child and with this lack of results and participation, I don't think he can imagine a big future in SC2.
I really want to see Grubby vs Moon one last time, if he's retiring I'm gonna start a reddit campaign for a Grubby vs Moon showmatch (preferably in HoTS to make it more fun).
And so he drifts into slumber, waiting until the time when he will rise again... Soon(tm) the legend will awaken, and begin his reign of chaos over... Warcraft 4
I'm pretty sure that they payed him quite a lot and expecting him to do really well in Starcraft II. Most Starcraft players do not have a personal-worth like Moon, and I think that's why they got rid of him. He was really good during 2011 though. Mostly cheesing tho.
On December 12 2012 06:09 ampson wrote: And so he drifts into slumber, waiting until the time when he will rise again... Soon(tm) the legend will awaken, and begin his reign of chaos over... Warcraft 4
He will come swiftly on a tide of darkness into that game.
What? Moon did WC3 too at WCG 2012? Didn't he say when he joined Fnatic that he wanted to focus only on SC2? Guess he just can't abadon the game he loves (and probably gets more money from).
Too bad. I was really hyped when he entered the Starcraft scene because I knew him from War 3 and what a monster he was there. Quite sad he didn't came close to his skill level compared to War 3.
Fanatic ain't the tip of the iceberg so ye... he'll probably get picked by a foreign team if he feels like playing sc2 makes him happy. We could say that he might retire but i doubt a legend and a pro gamer for more than 5 years to just retire over being kicked from his team for not the best results.
On December 12 2012 06:02 jnsjr wrote: Yikes. Can't remember the last time I read a release statement where the primary result given was lack of results T_T. Good luck to Moon and Fnatic.
I wouldn't mind seeing this on other teams but moon hasn't played any worse than the rest of fnatic in recent months... But either way good luck to moon in the future!
On December 12 2012 06:17 Random2732 wrote: I wouldn't mind seeing this on other teams but moon hasn't played any worse than the rest of fnatic in recent months... But either way good luck to moon in the future!
I guess the problem is moon will never be cheap in comparison to his team mates due to his name value, if he can't pull in the results fnatic wants in proportion to what they probably had to pay for a legend like him it's not going to work out.
On December 12 2012 06:19 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont understand how fanatic could have expected more.. they signed him when he already was mediocre. did they expect him to improve dramatically?
I guess you don't know who Moon is.
Most people did in fact expect him to improve dramatically once he started playing SC2 full-time.
On December 12 2012 06:19 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont understand how fanatic could have expected more.. they signed him when he already was mediocre. did they expect him to improve dramatically?
In fact he wasn't mediocre, he was a WC3 player...
On December 12 2012 06:09 ampson wrote: And so he drifts into slumber, waiting until the time when he will rise again... Soon(tm) the legend will awaken, and begin his reign of chaos over... Warcraft 4
He will come swiftly on a tide of darkness into that game.
And he'll then sit on his frozen throne once again, as the king of Warcraft.
I dont remember Moon attending a lot of foreign tournaments so did they expect him to dominate Code S or something? He was probably not willing to take a salary cut.
One of the gods from wc3! So fucking awesome to see him play again at the WCG2012. Though as far as i know he ended up 4th. At least it was TeD vs FLY100% in the finals..
As most people have said, I can't really imagine Moon keeping on going with Starcraft 2. He's had a hell of a run in pro gaming, but it might just be time to hang up the keyboard and mouse.
On December 12 2012 06:05 rrwrwx wrote: Poor Moon. I hope he finds a team soon.
Im sorry but just because he was "once good" doesnt mean we should give him a team. Esports shouldd be more welcoming to players that ACTUALLY do well now not once upon a time in never-never times.
On December 12 2012 06:58 DavoS wrote: Not sure a team like Fnatic can let Moon go and cite lack of good results, their lineup without him isn't exactly intimidating...
and he wasnt even close to the best player on it. Moon has been a complete disappointment to them.
On December 12 2012 06:11 Serinox wrote: What? Moon did WC3 too at WCG 2012? Didn't he say when he joined Fnatic that he wanted to focus only on SC2? Guess he just can't abadon the game he loves (and probably gets more money from).
there was no wcg 2012 wc3 qualifier in korea. players like remind, moon and lyn just auto qualified. I guess that is the reason why moon played wc3 wcg.
Typically when I read a released statement involving departures, they try to have a positive tone throughout the message. I didn't really like their negative tone. It almost made me feel like they were throwing away garbage. Honestly, Fnatic's lineup now just looks like dirt. Alive and Oz are okay, but other than that nothing impressive.
Moon is also married and i think to remember he has a kid too? Not sure... either way, i wonder if that makes him play less. Probably. Back in the wc3 days it was said he is a training machine, i.e. 10-12h a day.
Hopefully he'll be a beast in SC2 one day or at WC4. ^^
I can't say that things are looking even a little bit good for fnatic at the moment which is a shame :/ I hope Moon finds another team though, I reckon he has what it takes to be shit hot
Always disappointed that Moon never really hit his stride, he kept showing promise but never quite put it together aside from a deep run here and there.
Moon shouldn't have wasted time trying to compete in Korea's domestic leagues anyways. Too old to compete with the young'ins. He ought to have taken the stc/forgg/puma route and owned up foreign tournaments. Better yet he shoulda stuck with WC3. If he was good enough to take 4th at wcg despite mostly playing SC2 imagine what he could have done if he was fulltime.
On December 12 2012 07:04 HolydaKing wrote: Moon is also married and i think to remember he has a kid too? Not sure... either way, i wonder if that makes him play less. Probably. Back in the wc3 days it was said he is a training machine, i.e. 10-12h a day.
Hopefully he'll be a beast in SC2 one day or at WC4. ^^
Sheesh you have really good memory if you actually knew he was married. I'm not sure about the kid part either, but being married for a good two years they most likely have one by now.
He's had great runs in some tournaments, although they were inconsistent unfortunately. The day Warcraft 4 comes out is the day I'd probably settle down and have a family of my own. I don't see Blizzard making a WC4, at the very least not for another five to ten years. They have a lot on their hands with Heart of the Swarm.
On December 12 2012 06:14 Reality_Seeker wrote: Fanatic ain't the tip of the iceberg so ye... he'll probably get picked by a foreign team if he feels like playing sc2 makes him happy. We could say that he might retire but i doubt a legend and a pro gamer for more than 5 years to just retire over being kicked from his team for not the best results.
How about possible lack of motivation and not having decent results for some time? That seems like reasons to retire to me.
I actually really thought that Moon's performance recently, particularly in the GSTL showed how much he was improving and how good he actually was. A shame that Fnatic couldn't pay the bill for him .
Wtf, Moon played amazingly in the last GSTL. In a few months he would've been amazing, this man is an RTS legend he will preform give him time. Super disipointed in Fnatic
It's sad that moon was one of those practice monsters but during televised matches he couldn't mimic what you would hear otherwise in terms of his play.
Anyways yeah like someone else said, his memorable play in SC2 would probably be the preemptive Bangling explosion or the ZvZ mirror where the perfect landmine didn't matter.
On December 12 2012 06:03 Zzoram wrote: Good for Fnatic. More teams should be purging the dead weight off their payrolls to stay financially viable.
Moon was great in his day but just hasn't done much in SC2 for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires or switches to LoL. Wasn't he playing WC3 at WCG? Is he even an SC2 player anymore?
You're exactly right.
*cough Huk cough*
Still, shame to see Moon go, he was always one of my favourite players, and everyone knows he was always on the verge of making it. He just loved Warcraft III too much to let it go.
He may not bring in great SC2 results, but I like him a lot more than most SC2 players just because I like WC3 more than SC2. Less strategy perhaps, but more skill ^.^
Hope he doesn't retire, he's always been that Korean guy that never got great results but I still liked. Heh.
On December 12 2012 07:18 TheMilkyOne wrote: I want Liquid'Moon,,,in place of Zenio!!!
Don't hate on Zenio
He show nothing...no good results at all...but Moon can show us Zerg Power!!!
Top 8 IEM Singapore and is now in the EGTL training house. What has Moon done recently?
Yeah, beating HasuObs, White-Ra, Tarrantius, Ninja and Jabito makes him so good. Even Moon could do that with ease. Heck, Moon could probably beat sLivko in a ZvZ too, something Zenio apparently was not capable of.
The tournament ended up bringing more entertaining games/series than expected but honestly it was still very subpar capacity wise.
And I think it later turned out that the contract just expired and that Grubby didn't intend to stay with EG for SC2, but the contract from WC3 was still active.
On December 12 2012 07:18 TheMilkyOne wrote: I want Liquid'Moon,,,in place of Zenio!!!
Don't hate on Zenio
He show nothing...no good results at all...but Moon can show us Zerg Power!!!
Top 8 IEM Singapore and is now in the EGTL training house. What has Moon done recently?
Yeah, beating HasuObs, White-Ra, Tarrantius, Ninja and Jabito makes him so good. Even Moon could do that with ease. Heck, Moon could probably beat sLivko in a ZvZ too, something Zenio apparently was not capable of.
The tournament ended up bringing more entertaining games/series than expected but honestly it was still very subpar capacity wise.
Well, atleast he still plays some SC2 events and still practices the game. Moon does not play anything SC2 related and has apparantly not even trained SC2 recently in favour for WC3. Can't say he has more value than Zenio atm.
I don't see the purpose in releasing a statement saying they are parting ways due to lack of results. Fanatic could have easily just stated that they and Moon couldn't come to an agreement or mutually decided to part ways.
Realy sad now Moon is the reason I got into SC2 in the first place, sure he was my favorite player in War3, but when I saw him play Star2 at DHS...) Realy poorly statement by Fnatic, not even giving Moon the chanse to give his own statement. Was accually happy too see Moon do great in WCG, just cuz its the only big title in War3 he dosnt have.
On December 12 2012 07:18 TheMilkyOne wrote: I want Liquid'Moon,,,in place of Zenio!!!
Don't hate on Zenio
He show nothing...no good results at all...but Moon can show us Zerg Power!!!
Top 8 IEM Singapore and is now in the EGTL training house. What has Moon done recently?
Yeah, beating HasuObs, White-Ra, Tarrantius, Ninja and Jabito makes him so good. Even Moon could do that with ease. Heck, Moon could probably beat sLivko in a ZvZ too, something Zenio apparently was not capable of.
The tournament ended up bringing more entertaining games/series than expected but honestly it was still very subpar capacity wise.
Well, atleast he still plays some SC2 events and still practices the game. Moon does not play anything SC2 related and has apparantly not even trained SC2 recently in favour for WC3. Can't say he has more value than Zenio atm.
And you know this how? No one has released any details on how much he practices or not. Even still, Fnatic didn't send him to any events after Valencia and at Assembly Summer he took 4th beating way harder opponents than Zenio did. So how can you use that as a good comparison? Being (relatively) bad still means you're (relatively) bad, no matter the excuses.
I am not sure moon has ever been particularly dedicated to sc2 as he seems to have been playing wc3 tournaments this entire time. If he wanted to he could join a korean team, practice only sc2 for a few months and come back as a top tier player but question is always if he has the drive to do that.
On December 12 2012 08:12 Krogan wrote: I am not sure moon has ever been particularly dedicated to sc2 as he seems to have been playing wc3 tournaments this entire time. If he wanted to he could join a korean team, practice only sc2 for a few months and come back as a top tier player but question is always if he has the drive to do that.
I agree. I don't think Moon was ever as dedicated as the top tier players and yet we have seen some very very good game play out of him during the time he seemed to practice Sc2. I think if he would really dedicate himself he would be a top 3 Zerg easily.
On December 12 2012 08:12 Krogan wrote: I am not sure moon has ever been particularly dedicated to sc2 as he seems to have been playing wc3 tournaments this entire time. If he wanted to he could join a korean team, practice only sc2 for a few months and come back as a top tier player but question is always if he has the drive to do that.
He have only played one War3 tournament in 2012, no?
On December 12 2012 07:18 TheMilkyOne wrote: I want Liquid'Moon,,,in place of Zenio!!!
Don't hate on Zenio
He show nothing...no good results at all...but Moon can show us Zerg Power!!!
Top 8 IEM Singapore and is now in the EGTL training house. What has Moon done recently?
Yeah, beating HasuObs, White-Ra, Tarrantius, Ninja and Jabito makes him so good. Even Moon could do that with ease. Heck, Moon could probably beat sLivko in a ZvZ too, something Zenio apparently was not capable of.
The tournament ended up bringing more entertaining games/series than expected but honestly it was still very subpar capacity wise.
Well, atleast he still plays some SC2 events and still practices the game. Moon does not play anything SC2 related and has apparantly not even trained SC2 recently in favour for WC3. Can't say he has more value than Zenio atm.
And you know this how? No one has released any details on how much he practices or not. Even still, Fnatic didn't send him to any events after Valencia and at Assembly Summer he took 4th beating way harder opponents than Zenio did. So how can you use that as a good comparison? Being (relatively) bad still means you're (relatively) bad, no matter the excuses.
I didn't say Zenio was a very very good player, I said that he was better than Moon atm. Both don't play many tournaments these days, but atleast Zenio still attends some tournaments and plays online qualifiers and team leagues. Moon doesn't play at all these days. And yeah a top 4 finish 4 months ago is not really a valid argument when you are talking about recent form.
I love Moon. He was always a player you really wanted to cheer for. Grubby.Moon Inc. WC3 solidarity! Hopefully he finds what is right for him in a team, whether it is as a player or a coach.
With WCG over you'll likely see him concentrate on SC2 again and roll over almost everyone at DH's and get some high places again this spring/summer then back to WC3 for WCG aslong as WCG includes it.
to me - a team that exerts that much pressure on its players is not a good place to be. a team in my opinion is a place that most importantly - a player grows, matures and learns as a gamer. pressure is not good for performance. :p also - i'm a warcraft 3 player too, and moon played my race ! a legend indeed; it's a fact that a good team will pick him up and help him blend into the sc2 scene a bit better! can't wait for TL to post that on the front page <3
Fnatic probably freeing up money to sign some new players. Several good free agents. I wouldnt be surprised to see fnatic as the team Genius joined. Best of luck to you Moon
Fnatic didn't really expect Moon to become a player that could compete with the VERY best right? I don't doubt he's able to do that, but I do doubt he has the motivation.
I think Fnatic is going to close their Korean SC2 division and refocus on the European/NA scene in things that aren't StarCraft. I'd imagine they are just releasing players as their contracts expire and not getting new ones. But please prove me wrong, Fnatic! <3
Wouldn't that be grand. Either way, I'm sure a team somewhere will want him regardless of if he becomes a payer or coach. I cant see Moon leaving esports.
GL MOON! I hope life treats him amazingly and I hope his life, if he is retiring from sc2 to be with his wife and child, is just as sucessful as his WC3 career .
On December 12 2012 09:14 zergtossy wrote: "If you're not first you're last" lol wow gg Moon might just focus on family now... Or maybe he has been and that's why his performance is down?
As much as I wanted to see more of Moon, it might be better for him to leave Starcraft, it's just not the same for his fans and he might want to focus on other sources of income.
On December 12 2012 07:35 kafkaesque wrote: It's a trap.
IIRC, EG kicked Grubby for performing poorly, now he could destroy most of their roster with ease.
And after he got kicked from EG he had a steelseries sponsorship and they also dropped him for lack of results. How look at Grubby will all the sick sponsors. Some sponsors and teams just get really impatient and cant let people develop sometimes..
The statement is really not worthy of a legend like Moon. Hope he keeps playing but I guess it's hard for someone with wife and kid to be an active player. It's not like he can move in to a teamhouse and play 14 hours a day like in the past, if he could he would still be one of the best.
I really wish Fnatic wouldn't rag so hard on a legendary pro-gamer. No class is shown in this release. You guys really need to step up your management and get your shit together. There is no reason to be so harsh against Moon. It would be clear without you coming out and being douches about it.
I really hope he can find a team and the results he's looking for. Wish there was some way we could let him know that he still has a strong fan base that supports him!
This is pretty professional for Fnatic. You guys must've not have heard what they did last year to a CS1.6 player named manne.
He got brought on to the team June 10th; had his first showing at Dream Hack where he also signed his contract; and was released from the team on June 21st due to not owning hard enough at one event.
If they want to get rid of their SC2 division there are easier ways to do it than to be completely unprofessional and make statements like that about their players. It doesn't matter if Moon's results haven't been the best ever, that's no way to treat someone that's been so professional for so long.
Especially since going into it they knew that he was playing 2 games professionally. So he obviously hasn't been giving SC2 his full attention. I think if he did we'd have seen a much more successful Moon. Whether he just focuses on WC3 now or looks for another team or retires is up to him, but whatever he does I'm hoping he keeps playing RTS games . As much as I respect Moon I'm not going to start watching Mobas to see him play if he unfortunately goes that route.
I think Moon wasn't really trying at SC2... Every time he applied himself, he was awesome. He's had split focus recently, and that's why he hasn't been winning anything. He hasn't even been playing anything recently.....
Fnatic throws Moon away because they want to hire someone who's more in the now, but Moon will probably become better than their future pickup (if he decides to apply all his efforts)
The way fnatic have worded this is sickening. Moon is an esports legend, the least you could do is fire him gracefully. If you never followed WCIII, it's difficult to explain just what Moon is capable of. His decision-making and micro was godlike. I think he'll take a very long time to fully transition to SCII, but when he does, things are gonna get real ugly.
That's incredibly depressing....even more-so that they even included "results" in the announcement, instead of leaving it out altogether. Hope he finds a new team, and doesn't retire! Moon Fighting! (Played some amazing WC3 games @ WCG).
Seriously fuck fnatic. What a dick statement. I am going to boycott all their sponsors and write to them telling them why also. Hope they drop fnatic, after all its not like fnatc has any results either.
Fnatic's sc2 team no longer has anyone on their team I find interesting to watch..guess that makes watching GSTL easier in the future! Hope Moon gets an epic new team if he is looking for one =) GL to Moon in the future =D
Fnatics seems to have a history of being totally unprofessional with the way they are dismissing players. No other company on the planet publicly disses the people who are getting fired. That is just flat out poor business practice.
Moon should have left Fnatic a long time ago. It's just not a good team. I don't have anything against the players on that roster, but it's not like Moon was practicing with tier 1 GSL players within his team. Alive and Oz, the other 2 Koreans currently on that team, are decent players but they can't do anything to really push Moon. I feel like the same thing was the case for other former Fnatic players--Byul, LucifroN, and Sen are all better since leaving Fnatic.
I just don't think that team is good for fostering SC2 players. Maybe it's not Coaching staff's fault...but there definitely is something wrong with Fnatic's SC2 division, and that problem is that it's a lot of Code A-level players and lower, without some higher-tier players to drive the Code A-level guys to success. And that is definitely on the management. They're knee-deep in mediocrity, and it's not because the players on the roster are bad; it's because the team isn't doing enough to help them reach their potential. And that has a snowballing effect, because what kind of tier 1 pros want to join Fnatic? Would you or I want to join that team and watch our ability stagnate for a year or two? It's not fair to the players.
I completely agree with what Nightend said about Moon in his "Grilled" video interview a couple of months ago: Moon has the speed and the skill to be as utterly dominant as he was in Warcraft 3, but it's really going to be up to Moon if that's going to happen. Maybe he doesn't want to work as hard as he did in Warcraft 3. He's spent so much of his life practicing and practicing and practicing RTS games, and maybe he just doesn't want to do that again for SC2. It would be awesome for all of us viewers if he does get that kind of drive again, but I wouldn't blame him for not having it. The hours he put in for training in Warcraft 3--they were just outrageous.
I hope he's not done with sc2 already he's shown some potential (obv...) :D
EDIT :
On December 12 2012 12:39 DeCoder wrote: Fnatics seems to have a history of being totally unprofessional with the way they are dismissing players. No other company on the planet publicly disses the people who are getting fired. That is just flat out poor business practice.
That's so sad, I love watching Moon. In my opinion he has the most known baneling mine misclick, and also greatest baneling mine play. Hope he'll at least stay in SC2 and get a new team soon! Good luck Moon!
On December 12 2012 12:25 redviper wrote: Seriously fuck fnatic. What a dick statement. I am going to boycott all their sponsors and write to them telling them why also. Hope they drop fnatic, after all its not like fnatc has any results either.
...So this is a little overbearing... Seriously? This is one of the reasons that there are so many problems, over reactions like this. We bitch all the time about how sick we are of silly, copy/paste statements from players and teams... then this happens.
On December 12 2012 12:25 redviper wrote: Seriously fuck fnatic. What a dick statement. I am going to boycott all their sponsors and write to them telling them why also. Hope they drop fnatic, after all its not like fnatc has any results either.
not like their sc2 team got them any sponsors, so go ahead lmao.
if moon´s salary(10k/month) was anything near what he made in WeMadeFox, it would been silly to keep him in fnatic. Let´s hope he can find motivation for sc2 again.
Despite me being a fan of Fnatic Gaming I have to admit the article they wrote is pretty half ass'd. Wherever Moon goes though I wish him the best of luck.
On December 12 2012 12:39 DeCoder wrote: Fnatics seems to have a history of being totally unprofessional with the way they are dismissing players. No other company on the planet publicly disses the people who are getting fired. That is just flat out poor business practice.
And where do you see they were unprofessional O_o
They used similar wording when they dismissed players like Fenix, Sen and especially TT1.
On December 12 2012 06:36 Brett wrote: The statement seemed incredibly blunt... Don't think that was necessary.
Why should they be scolded for telling the truth? Progamers aren't children that need to be coddled, and if we all agree that the player was underperforming, why is it wrong for the team to mention?
On December 12 2012 06:36 Brett wrote: The statement seemed incredibly blunt... Don't think that was necessary.
Why should they be scolded for telling the truth? Progamers aren't children that need to be coddled, and if we all agree that the player was underperforming, why is it wrong for the team to mention?
Indeed, the only one taking offense is (as fucking always) some random guy on TL who has to cry about everything.
On December 12 2012 06:36 Brett wrote: The statement seemed incredibly blunt... Don't think that was necessary.
Why should they be scolded for telling the truth? Progamers aren't children that need to be coddled, and if we all agree that the player was underperforming, why is it wrong for the team to mention?
Firstly, it's the respect, Moon has been a massive icon in e-sports. The way this has been worded is so heavy handed, basically if this was worded more like "Fnatic and Moon mutually agreed that the current set up wasn't getting the results both sides wanted, and mutually agreed that a change would be better for all parties" that basically makes it not seem like a massive back hand to Moon. It's the wording, it's really really unprofessional. True, they don't need to be coddled, and people may all agree he was under-performing, but it's the heavy handedness of it all.
On December 12 2012 06:36 Brett wrote: The statement seemed incredibly blunt... Don't think that was necessary.
Why should they be scolded for telling the truth? Progamers aren't children that need to be coddled, and if we all agree that the player was underperforming, why is it wrong for the team to mention?
The point here is that it's ODD. Let's be honest, this is eSports. Half the time there isn't even A GOD DAMN reason why the player is let go. "We had a change in mentality" more or less is enough of a reason. Moon was a God in RTS and eSports, and still is for a ton of people, myself included. Global RTS before SC2? It was WC3...not BW.
Let's say Jaedong lost 100% of his next 50-60 games and EG decided to let him go. To say he underperformed is god damn insulting for no reason, performing bad is insulting enough for pro gamers.
First time i read such a release statement. So they basically demanded a first place finish from him? I'm not sure if any team can stay alive that way.
A lot of people blew this situation way out of proportion, I guess it's that time of the month where the drama has to be front-page.
Moon is a very expensive player and you can bet Fnatic were paying him a substantial amount of money based on his WarCraft 3 reputaitons - that a lot of people seem to think they forgot about.
Secondly, when a player like Moon, who's used to these massive monthly salaries comes up for contract negotiations do you really think that he's going to accept a massive pay drop due to his recent results? No, he's not. People in this thread/Reddit and on the fnatic website seem to think it's feasible for Fnatic to shell out all this money without a single penny in return. Someone like Moon WAS a legend, and he did a lot for eSports in general but that reputation alone isn't enough to justify paying him what he wants. Keep in mind Fnatic also has to support 35 other players over 5 different games with multiple events all over the world.
Lastly, the wording. A lot of people around here seem to demand the truth when it comes to their beloved Pro Gamers. Fnatic were open and honest about the reasons behind Moon leaving the team and what happens? People get up set. The StarCraft 2 can't handle the truth when it comes to someone they are a fan of. It's like snapping someone back to reality and saying: "That player that used to be good, he's no longer that good" and you get all upset about it? When someone is about to leave a team, that organisation, I don't care who it is. They will not go ahead and promote said player on their website in that leaving post. I doesn't happen and it will never happen.
tl;dr - People expect players salaries to grow on trees. People were given a hard dose of the truth and they couldn't handle it, yet they wonder why organisations give bullshit, fluff statements when a players leaves a team.
On December 12 2012 12:25 redviper wrote: Seriously fuck fnatic. What a dick statement. I am going to boycott all their sponsors and write to them telling them why also. Hope they drop fnatic, after all its not like fnatc has any results either.
...So this is a little overbearing... Seriously? This is one of the reasons that there are so many problems, over reactions like this. We bitch all the time about how sick we are of silly, copy/paste statements from players and teams... then this happens.
Who is this we who bitch about politeness and respect? Any organization that can't respectfully part ways with a legend is not worth supporting. Infact its totally worth fucking over.
I already wrote dxracer as to why I am cancelling my order for their chair. To be fair the only reason was getting it was moon. Others should do the same.
On December 12 2012 12:25 redviper wrote: Seriously fuck fnatic. What a dick statement. I am going to boycott all their sponsors and write to them telling them why also. Hope they drop fnatic, after all its not like fnatc has any results either.
...So this is a little overbearing... Seriously? This is one of the reasons that there are so many problems, over reactions like this. We bitch all the time about how sick we are of silly, copy/paste statements from players and teams... then this happens.
Who is this we who bitch about politeness and respect? Any organization that can't respectfully part ways with a legend is not worth supporting. Infact its totally worth fucking over.
I already wrote dxracer as to why I am cancelling my order for their chair. To be fair the only reason was getting it was moon. Others should do the same.
You're the problem with this community, I hope you know that. Not anyone else who supports their favourite players and team but someone who fucks with the lively hood of other professional gamers. People like you disgust me.
On December 12 2012 18:19 Vaapad wrote: i dont like fnatic anymore... gl moon D;
Yeah, afterall now we are stuck with uncharismatic faces like the "invisible" Terran aLive "sigh"
Actually (even if it sounds harsh), getting rid of lower tier pro players like Rain and Moon is the best that could happened for aLive and Oz in order to be able to return to become world class Code S players like they used to be before fnatic.
Remember aLive fresh off changing clothes, the former TSL then brand new fnatic aLive? Yea right, we know what happened - IPL 4...but he still had that routine from practicing with TSL members..
Fnatic is a top tier organisation, but they need players like viOlet, Genius, or hell just buy DRG/Leenock to become a force to reckon in GSTL again.
aLive and Oz are lacking quality practice, Moon, Naama or Nightend wont help em nowhere, and Iam only interested to see fnatic killing EG and Liquid again to be honest
My initial reaction to the fnatic statement was "Moon deserves more respect." But at least fnatic was honest about the reason and also tried to show the achievements that Moon got in his SC2 career.
Did fnatic had enough patience? Did Moon get the coaching and training condition he needs to develop into a monster again? I don't know, but it's up to fnatic to decide anyway.
What's actually funny is that Moon won the most money on Fnatic after Alive, when you consider how he carried them in GSTL I would consider them their second most succesful player.
On December 12 2012 19:35 [F_]aths wrote: My initial reaction to the fnatic statement was "Moon deserves more respect." But at least fnatic was honest about the reason and also tried to show the achievements that Moon got in his SC2 career.
Did fnatic had enough patience? Did Moon get the coaching and training condition he needs to develop into a monster again? I don't know, but it's up to fnatic to decide anyway.
So, good luck to Moon and his family.
All we can do here is speculate anyways, no one knows what are the particular reasons for the departure but one would assume he just wants to step back from RTS games for a while, to spend more time with his family. (note that his baby son is getting older)
I really dont get all that drama by angry fans, its the responsibility of a top tier team to weigh whats best for the future, in order to remain competitive. Really common stuff that you would see in any sports.
Only thing is that he was the team captain but if Moon believed that he couldnt assist fnatic's goal to become a competitive GSTL team any longer, then why not agree to part ways and pass the tie to another player...
On December 12 2012 19:35 [F_]aths wrote: My initial reaction to the fnatic statement was "Moon deserves more respect." But at least fnatic was honest about the reason and also tried to show the achievements that Moon got in his SC2 career.
Did fnatic had enough patience? Did Moon get the coaching and training condition he needs to develop into a monster again? I don't know, but it's up to fnatic to decide anyway.
So, good luck to Moon and his family.
All we can do here is speculate anyways, no one knows what are the particular reasons for the departure but one would assume he just wants to step back from RTS games for a while, to spend more time with his family. (note that his baby son is getting older)
I really dont get all that drama by angry fans, its the responsibility of a top tier team to weigh whats best for the future, in order to remain competitive. Really common stuff that you would see in any sports.
Only thing is that he was the team captain but if Moon believed that he couldnt assist fnatic's goal to become a competitive GSTL team any longer, then why not agree to part ways and pass the tie to another player...
maybe because Moon play wc3 for WCG2012..It makes fnatic so unhappy ，they are kicked out from GSTL so easily...For months，Moon don‘t pratice so much for sc2...
It can also just be that Fnatic and Moon could not agree on a salary. I wouldn't necessarily read the announcement as "Fnatic wants nothing more to do with Moon and vice versa", as some people are suggesting with the "Moon got no accomplishment and got laid off" type of comments.
Damn. I really enjoyed watching Moon play. I hope he continues playing Sc2. Have to wonder what's going on at Fnatic. They've already lost Byul too. Hopefully they make a pickup soon to help out their team league play.
On December 12 2012 20:19 JustPassingBy wrote: It can also just be that Fnatic and Moon could not agree on a salary. I wouldn't necessarily read the announcement as "Fnatic wants nothing more to do with Moon and vice versa", as some people are suggesting with the "Moon got no accomplishment and got laid off" type of comments.
It is not the problem...You can see any other announcement about former Fnatic guys leave Fnatic..It is obviously Fnatic is unhappy for Moon play WC3 again which agains the team ‘s order...this is the first time Fnatic telling his player is bad and we part way...If moon and Fnatic is in peace ，they can part way in other way！
Moon was meant to make a big impact for Fnatic and they're probably frustrated that it didn't pay off. Incredibly innovative player who is a pleasure to watch but sadly lacked the polish and sc2 mechanics to rival the other professionals. I can't help but think this means the end for him in sc2, always a shame to see a player leave, especially one so unique.
Pretty old for a progamer, has a family, still have 2 years of military service in front of him that he has to do in like 1-2 years, he's not up there fighting for the big paychecks and HotS is on the horizon. And he clearly can't stay away from wc3.
He will either just retire now and begin a new chapter of his life, maybe play a year of wc3 if it is possible to get some money out of that, or maybe he will play 1 more year of sc2 and hope to get something out of HotS while it's all new and everyone is confused. I mean, his goal as a progamer now gotta be to try and milk out as much money as possible on the time he has left as a progamer and before he needs to enlist to the military.
On December 12 2012 06:14 Canucklehead wrote: I will forever remember moon for his great baneling fail! To this day, I've never seen a more perfect baneling fail.
i'm glad that for one time we know why he had been released (not something like : "oh he was doing so well and we love him and blablabla". We have the reason.
Hope he won't quit because he was quite good from time to time. But i think he hasn't done military service.
Edit : "Oh and i see he have a family too. Didn't know that".
On December 12 2012 06:14 Canucklehead wrote: I will forever remember moon for his great baneling fail! To this day, I've never seen a more perfect baneling fail.
well, you know results have been bad when fnatic tries to list his accompishments in sc2 in their statement and the second best result they could come up with is dh summer 2011......
On December 12 2012 06:14 Canucklehead wrote: I will forever remember moon for his great baneling fail! To this day, I've never seen a more perfect baneling fail.
This is actually rather lame... 2 failed rts players laughing at one of the most successful rts players ever for failing a baneling detonation.
Either way hope Moon gets a new team.
If you've never seen that clip before, and someone showed it to you right this minute, except the player names are kept hidden, and the only thing you're told beforehand is that it's a televised GSL match.
On December 12 2012 21:43 Black Gun wrote: well, you know results have been bad when fnatic tries to list his accompishments in sc2 in their statement and the second best result they could come up with is dh summer 2011......
He has the most fun-to-watch play style that I've ever seen. I don't know about you, but I like my favorite players to entertain the audience, even if that means making mistakes and losing tournaments.
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
fnatic is a way more professional organisation than EG could ever dream of. More comparable to SK Gaming in their WC3 days.
Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2?
Calling fnatic to get a lineup for 2013, far scarier than EG or Liquid. Getting players from MVP or Startales should be entirely possible too, we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
On December 12 2012 22:38 Lysanias wrote: EG Moon !
Either some NA team or he will retire.
EG only recruit good players now. Moon didn't do a thing since Fox disbanded. His past WC3 career alone is not enough to be recruited into a top tier team. I don't see him staying in SC2.
On December 12 2012 22:38 Lysanias wrote: EG Moon !
Either some NA team or he will retire.
EG only recruit good players now. Moon didn't do a thing since Fox disbanded. His past WC3 career alone is not enough to be recruited into a top tier team. I don't see him staying in SC2.
To be fair he did a lot more than most other players did. He's had half a dozen 2nd place finishes and he's been doing double duty by playing SC2 and WC3 with him coming 4th at WCG. He was a pretty talented player for the amount of work he put in.
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
fnatic is a way more professional organisation than EG could ever dream of. More comparable to SK Gaming in their WC3 days.
Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2?
Calling fnatic to get a lineup for 2013, far scarier than EG or Liquid. Getting players from MVP or Startales should be entirely possible too, we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
You sure he was getting 10k/month? Because I know he was asking for far less than that before he got picked up by Fnatic. I can't imagine any team doing something like
Player: I want 10k every year Team: Oh no. You're getting 50k every year. Player: ....really? Team: Yes, please, I insist. Take the money.
In fact, I really respect Fnatic for this statement. They shown the things as they are, they, as ANY other team out there expects results from their players, that's what they recruit them in the first place. They want sponsors money, and this comes with exposure = results.
I honestly hate the sweet release statements from other teams, when they claim they want the X player to develop and grow, but it's not possible in their organisation, yada yada, the hypocrisy in those kind of statement is so obvious that it hurts.
Good luck Moon, really liked your play, hope he find other team or activity that satisfies him!
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
fnatic is a way more professional organisation than EG could ever dream of. More comparable to SK Gaming in their WC3 days.
Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2?
Calling fnatic to get a lineup for 2013, far scarier than EG or Liquid. Getting players from MVP or Startales should be entirely possible too, we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
You sure he was getting 10k/month? Because I know he was asking for far less than that before he got picked up by Fnatic. I can't imagine any team doing something like
Player: I want 10k every year Team: Oh no. You're getting 50k every year. Player: ....really? Team: Yes, please, I insist. Take the money.
should have been a bit less in fnatic, but I am 100% certain this is true for WE Made Fox and his WC3 career.
On December 12 2012 23:15 Inzan1ty wrote: Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2? [...]we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
The problem was that the team believed they could train the monster that he is in WC3, for SC2 (his previous salary was for trainining 10-12h/day and changing the way WC3 is currently played). His results and progress were as expected when you have players as NightEnd & Co. around you (I admit, his macro is better than before joining Fnatic).
What grinds my gears is that after training/playing/eating/sleeping together, even after a serious fight, you don't just throw him away and ignore what he has done for you. I don't wanna hear shit like 'your comments hurt the community' when Moon fans find an hostile attitude from team Fnatic.
Just let Carn tell you how to become a better gamer by buying a chair, some peripherals and using a chat client while waiting to see the remaining Fnatic SC2 players win a tournament.
Fnatic is sad to announce that our famous Zerg player Moon will be leaving the team at the end of the month. Despite doing well in some team leagues and performing decently for FnaticRaidCall in his individual tournaments, his results have not met our expectations and the decision was made for the two parties to go their separate ways. We wish Moon the best of luck in his future endeavors.
Though he was a legend at WC3, the move over to StarCraft 2 has not been full of the results that either Moon or Fnatic wanted. His tournament resume includes a number of close calls, taking silver in tournaments like the NVIDIA Gaming Festival this year and last year's DreamHack Summer.
Wonder where he goes.
He should team up with Grubby. That would be the greatest thing ever.
On December 12 2012 12:25 redviper wrote: Seriously fuck fnatic. What a dick statement. I am going to boycott all their sponsors and write to them telling them why also. Hope they drop fnatic, after all its not like fnatc has any results either.
...So this is a little overbearing... Seriously? This is one of the reasons that there are so many problems, over reactions like this. We bitch all the time about how sick we are of silly, copy/paste statements from players and teams... then this happens.
Who is this we who bitch about politeness and respect? Any organization that can't respectfully part ways with a legend is not worth supporting. Infact its totally worth fucking over.
I already wrote dxracer as to why I am cancelling my order for their chair. To be fair the only reason was getting it was moon. Others should do the same.
Return of the angry fanboys. That made me laugh. Thanks :D
On December 12 2012 23:15 Inzan1ty wrote: Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2? [...]we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
The problem was that the team believed they could train the monster that he is in WC3, for SC2 (his previous salary was for trainining 10-12h/day and changing the way WC3 is currently played). His results and progress were as expected when you have players as NightEnd & Co. around you (I admit, his macro is better than before joining Fnatic).
What grinds my gears is that after training/playing/eating/sleeping together, even after a serious fight, you don't just throw him away and ignore what he has done for you. I don't wanna hear shit like 'your comments hurt the community' when Moon fans find an hostile attitude from team Fnatic.
Just let Carn tell you how to become a better gamer by buying a chair, some peripherals and using a chat client while waiting to see the remaining Fnatic SC2 players win a tournament.
Moon isn't in the teamhouse, he has a family, so he only went to teamhouse to train at most.
On December 12 2012 06:37 sevia wrote: He should join Team Grubby.
Lol! Such a cool idea ^_^
I wish someone would do an interview with Moon! I would looove to hear his perspective on things!
This guy was a legend in War3 - He controlled his units like no one else could ! I heard that he was famous for having an extreme practice regiment! I wonder if he's actually able to keep that up any more? What his perspective is on SC2 - if he is as devoted to SC2 as he was to WC3? Is War3 still taking up time? Why he was a God among men in War3 but not in SC2 (Not saying he's bad, at all! But nothing compares to his War3 dominance!)
Big fan here! Hoping to see great things from him in the future!
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
Maybe EG but do you think thats really TL's style? Just pick up promising players then drop them of they dont do so well?
I like to think for at least TL they choose their players carefully and when they sign them, they are with the players in the long run through hell and back. As far as i know no one just joins TL for a year then drops out to another team.
On December 12 2012 23:15 Inzan1ty wrote: Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2? [...]we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
The problem was that the team believed they could train the monster that he is in WC3, for SC2 (his previous salary was for trainining 10-12h/day and changing the way WC3 is currently played). His results and progress were as expected when you have players as NightEnd & Co. around you (I admit, his macro is better than before joining Fnatic).
What grinds my gears is that after training/playing/eating/sleeping together, even after a serious fight, you don't just throw him away and ignore what he has done for you. I don't wanna hear shit like 'your comments hurt the community' when Moon fans find an hostile attitude from team Fnatic.
Just let Carn tell you how to become a better gamer by buying a chair, some peripherals and using a chat client while waiting to see the remaining Fnatic SC2 players win a tournament.
How did they 'throw him away'? He was, most probably, the highest paid player on Fnatic, but at the same time: a) Failure to qualify for Code A throughout 2012. b) Not being able to practice in the teamhouse due to having a family. c) Still insists on playing WarCraft III, rather than SC2 exclusively (as should have been the case) d) Little tournament participation and placement. His only decent result was 4th at Assemby Summer, and for a player of his caliber, and value, it's very little.
Think about it for a bit. Fnatic could probably support two ex-SlayerS GSL players with the same amount of money they invested into Moon.
Don't get me wrong, I was very impressed with Moon's baneling drops back in the day, and his GSTL performance was pretty good, but you have to consider how much a player with Moon's reputation costs Fnatic, and even I can see that it was not paying off for Fnatic.
wonder if other fnatic fans also feel kind of "stucked" right now -_-
Can u Not read the Full Text...?!
"This is not all of the good stuff we have planned for StarCraft II, more will be revealed later (note that this is not an announcement of announcement, etc)."
Just feels weird to have mediocre players (even for foreign standarts) like Naama and Harstem in the same roster as Oz, aLive and possibly a couple more Code A calibre players.
You got to admit, J is pretty shocking for Korean standarts, and there was a reason fnatic had an amateur section which they obviously removed now.
well looks like I should lower my expectactions from here, fnatic spoiled us with consistent results, when everyone was motivated but it seems everything has an end...
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
Maybe EG but do you think thats really TL's style? Just pick up promising players then drop them of they dont do so well?
I like to think for at least TL they choose their players carefully and when they sign them, they are with the players in the long run through hell and back. As far as i know no one just joins TL for a year then drops out to another team.
Like HuK did?
I agree with your sentiment though. TL should always be ran by players for players. Prioritizing their interest and supporting the players all the way regardless of results.
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
Liquid obviously has another philosophy. You don't just get hired as a gun for them, you join a family instead.
sadly i think moons probably close to retiring now. unless he already has a new team lined up i cant see him supporting his family with his lack of results. he just isnt the same calibre since his wc3 days
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
Liquid obviously has another philosophy. You don't just get hired as a gun for them, you join a family instead.
Dropping players as soon as they are not performing doesn't tend to attract new players either. Players, like all people, wants some kind of security in what they do and if teams starts to drop players purely based on performance it would create an incredible uncertain working environment. As far as I'm concerned both players and teams should as far as possible try to honour the contract they sign unless special circumstances. It's one thing to drop a player once his contract is up and to break the contract before that point.
On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
Liquid obviously has another philosophy. You don't just get hired as a gun for them, you join a family instead.
Dropping players as soon as they are not performing doesn't tend to attract new players either. Players, like all people, wants some kind of security in what they do and if teams starts to drop players purely based on performance it would create an incredible uncertain working environment. As far as I'm concerned both players and teams should as far as possible try to honour the contract they sign unless special circumstances. It's one thing to drop a player once his contract is up and to break the contract before that point.
Pretty sure Fnatic wouldn't break the contract. They've been very vocal on how important player contracts are, so it would be extremely stupid of them to do so. If the contract was still in force, perhaps the parties mutually decided to end it, or perhaps Fnatic decided not to renew it?
On December 13 2012 22:56 mikkmagro wrote: [Pretty sure Fnatic wouldn't break the contract. They've been very vocal on how important player contracts are, so it would be extremely stupid of them to do so. If the contract was still in force, perhaps the parties mutually decided to end it, or perhaps Fnatic decided not to renew it?
End of the year, lots of contracts/budgets run out in this period.
lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
Ok.. That's really not something you should be posting publicly.. I'm always quite open about what I make, but I wouldn't post what anyone else makes. It's private information isn't it? Seems like quite a social faux pas heh
To those praising Fnatics policy of dropping players if they do not meet their expectations, while critizing TL/EG for not doing the same: since the beta Fnatic has pretty much absorbed three rosters (they started with an European one, then had an NA heavy, switched back to EU players, went to Korea and now seemingly aim to focus on EU again. Because of that Fnatic has been a rather faceless team that was unable to get big results. So saying that TL/EG should copy that principle seems rather absurd.
On December 14 2012 19:04 lastshadow wrote: lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
as mentioned , his salary at WE Made Fox, was around 13.000 $, during wc3.
I could google that for you.
cant speak for his fnatic contract, and I also highly doubt YOU would know whats going on there, as you are in no way related to fnatic, so stop embarass yourself here.
On December 14 2012 19:04 lastshadow wrote: lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
I can ensure you know nothing about Fnatic players
On December 14 2012 19:04 lastshadow wrote: lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
Why are you still in the scene? Just leave. You don't clearly know much.
Just FYI, Moon did well in wc3 @ WCG. He got a Perfect score at group stage and ended up 4th place overall, narrowly losing.
He may only be code A/B material in sc2; able to nearly all-kill in teamleagues.. but he is still on top in wc3. Underperforming for Fnatic... really? He's a true esports hero!
I think retirement is the best option. Sad that he never hit the same level in SC2 as he did in War3. I will never forget the first time seeing his zepplin play.
On December 15 2012 00:22 Goolpsy wrote: Just FYI, Moon did well in wc3 @ WCG. He got a Perfect score at group stage and ended up 4th place overall, narrowly losing.
He may only be code A/B material in sc2; able to nearly all-kill in teamleagues.. but he is still on top in wc3. Underperforming for Fnatic... really? He's a true esports hero!
fnatic didnt sign him for wc3. thats why moon went full time sc2. then wcg came along and he did wc3 again, they probably werent happy about that.
On December 12 2012 06:02 jnsjr wrote: Yikes. Can't remember the last time I read a release statement where the primary result given was lack of results T_T. Good luck to Moon and Fnatic.
I think it happens on occasion, but normally teams are a little nicer/less blunt about it.
On December 16 2012 05:00 costinii wrote: It was normal to expect this. Fnatic is well known and has to defend its Status.
I have never played WC3 but moon has more status than the whole of the fnatic organization. No disrespect to fnatic, but that is just how big moon is.
this . but probably he costed too much for fnatic with no output . however i think it would be good if they would sign him as wc3 player . he would rape anything
Fnatic as a team has a huge amount of history. They were extremely successful in games like CS and Quake. Saying Moon has more status than the whole fnatic organization is insulting and shortsighted. Clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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