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NASL4 Video Interviews Day 2December 11th, 2012 08:25 GMT
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
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Moka
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BathTubNZ
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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twoscomp
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
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bokchoi
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Sigh
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superjoppe
Sweden3683 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Day9 was hilarious! | ||
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Sigmur
Poland497 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
holy shit you guys are evil for leaving that in lol | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
also Soe is the most amazing person on planet earth. holy shit in addition to everything she does in the sc2 scene she speaks like every language and can swordfight like a boss apparently. | ||
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Megapenthes
United Kingdom202 Posts
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Harrad
1003 Posts
On December 11 2012 21:05 leo23 wrote: 16:30 Lauren interview holy shit you guys are evil for leaving that in lol tl now officially politically incorrect in my book | ||
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Girondelle
France969 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On December 11 2012 21:56 Harrad wrote: tl now officially politically incorrect in my book This guy found the straw the camel's back. Bless us with more of your wisdom. | ||
Wunder
United Kingdom2950 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Really liking Rotterdam. Totally gay for him now. Such a champ. Lauren's interview was great, really funny. Soe's was awesome but i thought it was her second until she reminded us that Kennigit did the first one! I was like ohhhhhh, can't wait for her second date with Hot_Bid. I hope he brings up the unfinished car pooling story when that day comes. Day9 great. Totally with you on the pizza thing, brother. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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MrHavix
United States53 Posts
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Shinobi1982
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On December 11 2012 21:57 Girondelle wrote: Hot Bit's interviews are always the best interviews ! (Yes Thorin's ones are also marvelous!) Hot_Bid's interviews are the best for comedic purposes. Thorin's are the best for serious purposes. | ||
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iref
Slovakia70 Posts
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
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Girondelle
France969 Posts
On December 12 2012 00:09 Elite_ wrote: Hot_Bid's interviews are the best for comedic purposes. Thorin's are the best for serious purposes. Oops my bad ^^ | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Hilarious interviews HotBid. Great ones with DeMu and Day9, thank you | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Man that Lauren Elise bitch is such a whore... Also what exactly is she doing in teh esports scene, besides tarnishing its image? I mean, there's more money to make in pornography than in eSports. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:29 Al Bundy wrote: The day9 interview was great, thanks for sharing Man that Lauren Elise bitch is such a whore... Also what exactly is she doing in teh esports scene, besides tarnishing its image? I mean, there's more money to make in pornography than in eSports. and people wonder why more girls don't get involved in esports ^_^ | ||
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Freezd
United States139 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:29 Al Bundy wrote: The day9 interview was great, thanks for sharing Man that Lauren Elise bitch is such a whore... Also what exactly is she doing in teh esports scene, besides tarnishing its image? I mean, there's more money to make in pornography than in eSports. The hell is wrong with you? What makes her a bitch and a whore? | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
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Atlas247
Canada318 Posts
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black_ICE
United States59 Posts
"I do." Hot_Bid is awesome. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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Kitty4Cat
Canada56 Posts
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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ZergSonnenkind
Germany6 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
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black_ICE
United States59 Posts
On December 12 2012 04:23 Jibba wrote: Dwarves were Jews, Tolkien basically said so himself. He wasn't really racist (he became vehemently anti-racist later in life) but he was prejudiced and the stories are very Eurocentric and xenophobic. It's meant as an allegory for England through WWI and II, after all. Plus the whole eugenics thing gets a little iffy. You could probably call him an ethnicist. ? | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
gretorp interview | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 11 2012 18:10 BathTubNZ wrote: Soe interview is a classic. I wanted to say something about it but this one is good enough | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:12 Ballack wrote: Lauren is either a complete moron or a total bitch for that Scarlett comment. If she truly is that ignorant, then I guess she could be excused, but it still hurts my soul watching that kind of blissful ignorance at display. Let's send angry letters to the sponsors imo | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:17 aTnClouD wrote: Let's send angry letters to the sponsors imo No, just no... To make such a comment as a Starcraft 2 personality just shows that some people completely disregard others' feelings. The reason I'm reacting to it is that I cannot fathom that she actually think Scarlett is a guy, which makes the comment a disgraceful thing to say. One of my main gripes in life are people who try to put down others and this is a very apparent example of that. Maybe she is very ignorant and didn't know, but there cannot come a good thing out of saying what she said in the interview. It's not a big deal, no sponsors should be called or anything. I'm not trying to create drama. But when she gets an outlet like that and spouts bullshit, being called out on it should be expected. Oh and you equating that situation with the other silly things people have mailed sponsors for doesn't really put you in a good light imo. Bullying and especially cyber-bullying is one of the bigger social problems we face nowadays, just imagine how much shit Scarlett has to go through on a regular basis. Those kinds of comments doesn't exactly help that. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On December 12 2012 04:23 Jibba wrote: Dwarves were Jews, Tolkien basically said so himself. He wasn't really racist (he became vehemently anti-racist later in life) but he was prejudiced and the stories are very Eurocentric and xenophobic. It's meant as an allegory for England through WWI and II, after all. Plus the whole eugenics thing gets a little iffy. You could probably call him an ethnicist. What Jibba? Im fairly sure that Tolkien himself refuted the theory that Middle Earth was a sort of representation of World War 2, as journalists kept drawing similarities between the two. These are his exact words on the matter: "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the story grew it put down roots (into the past) and threw out unexpected branches." | ||
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Girondelle
France969 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:28 Ballack wrote: No, just no... To make such a comment as a Starcraft 2 personality just shows that some people completely disregard others' feelings. The reason I'm reacting to it is that I cannot fathom that she actually think Scarlett is a guy, which makes the comment a disgraceful thing to say. One of my main gripes in life are people who try to put down others and this is a very apparent example of that. Maybe she is very ignorant and didn't know, but there cannot come a good thing out of saying what she said in the interview. It's not a big deal, no sponsors should be called or anything. I'm not trying to create drama. But when she gets an outlet like that and spouts bullshit, being called out on it should be expected. Oh and you equating that situation with the other silly things people have mailed sponsors for doesn't really put you in a good light imo. Bullying and especially cyber-bullying is one of the bigger social problems we face nowadays, just imagine how much shit Scarlett has to go through on a regular basis. Those kinds of comments doesn't exactly help that. That was sarcasm from Cloud. | ||
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StarStruck
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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RMonkeyF
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User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
not one mention any where on the NASL web site that the prize pool was $60,000. The news item about Liquid^Hero's win makes no mention of any prize money. | ||
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: nice interviews... not one mention any where on the NASL web site that the prize pool was $60,000. The news item about Liquid^Hero's win makes no mention of any prize money. Seriously, you are still trolling with this? How many dozens of posts now? | ||
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:28 Ballack wrote: No, just no... To make such a comment as a Starcraft 2 personality just shows that some people completely disregard others' feelings. The reason I'm reacting to it is that I cannot fathom that she actually think Scarlett is a guy, which makes the comment a disgraceful thing to say. One of my main gripes in life are people who try to put down others and this is a very apparent example of that. Maybe she is very ignorant and didn't know, but there cannot come a good thing out of saying what she said in the interview. It's not a big deal, no sponsors should be called or anything. I'm not trying to create drama. But when she gets an outlet like that and spouts bullshit, being called out on it should be expected. Oh and you equating that situation with the other silly things people have mailed sponsors for doesn't really put you in a good light imo. Bullying and especially cyber-bullying is one of the bigger social problems we face nowadays, just imagine how much shit Scarlett has to go through on a regular basis. Those kinds of comments doesn't exactly help that. "The joke" <------------------- "Your head" <------------------ | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:24 BathTubNZ wrote: Seriously, you are still trolling with this? How many dozens of posts now? i post about serious things, including this. produce an NASL link ... rather than attack the comment. i recall Gretorp tweeting "10K" in a message and that's about it dude; i've seen nothing else from NASL about prize money. Liquipedia editors have already commented that it was impossible to get prize pool info from NASL staff members before the event and only are going bye a single brief 5 second comment made during a 10 hour broadcast do u have anything to add ? we'll for sure in know in 6 months. User was warned for this post | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i post about serious things, including this. produce an NASL link ... rather than attack the comment. i recall Gretorp tweeting "10K" in a message and that's about it dude; i've seen nothing else from NASL about prize money. Liquipedia editors have already commented that it was impossible to get prize pool info from NASL staff members before the event and only are going bye a single brief 5 second comment made during a 10 hour broadcast do u have anything to add ? we'll for sure in know in 6 months. No one from Liquipedia contacted me to ask about prize money, and I think most those guys know me well enough to do so. Our prize pool was never a secret. Why is this an issue? | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:48 MrBitter wrote: No one from Liquipedia contacted me to ask about prize money, and I think most those guys know me well enough to do so. Our prize pool was never a secret. Why is this an issue? Yeah, we've had the prize pool on Liquipedia for a while now... | ||
blahz0r
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
Edit: I wonder if Lauren was referring to LeiYa as the other female progamer? She is on Root and probably talks with Rotterdam? | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:48 MrBitter wrote: No one from Liquipedia contacted me to ask about prize money, and I think most those guys know me well enough to do so. Our prize pool was never a secret. Why is this an issue? because its no where on the NASL site... and over all the NASL site is very informative... that is why it seems odd. 2 liquipedia editor guys stated they tried and failed to get prize money info... check the thread and talk to them maybe? | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:26 Pwnzer wrote: "The joke" <------------------- "Your head" <------------------ Erm... While I like your creative way of saying the joke went over my head, the content of that is quite miss-guided. That's partly my fault. I did not perceive his post to be sincere, in fact I assumed it was sarcastic and defended why I don't think this is a laughing matter. To the end of the post you can see that I wrote he shouldn't equate the stuff both of us think are overreactions from the community, with the point I was making. Where we disagree is that he doesn't think my post presented a legitimate gripe, which then made him write sarcastically that we should email sponsors because of it. I didn't think it was a laughing matter, he did. So in reality, this is the current situation: "The point" <-------- "Your head" <------ You understood that Cloud was being sarcastic, but you didn't thoroughly read through my post to identify that I too realized he was in fact being sarcastic, and that I didn't appreciate that fact, thus I wrote my response. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:28 Ballack wrote: No, just no... To make such a comment as a Starcraft 2 personality just shows that some people completely disregard others' feelings. The reason I'm reacting to it is that I cannot fathom that she actually think Scarlett is a guy, which makes the comment a disgraceful thing to say. One of my main gripes in life are people who try to put down others and this is a very apparent example of that. Maybe she is very ignorant and didn't know, but there cannot come a good thing out of saying what she said in the interview. It's not a big deal, no sponsors should be called or anything. I'm not trying to create drama. But when she gets an outlet like that and spouts bullshit, being called out on it should be expected. Oh and you equating that situation with the other silly things people have mailed sponsors for doesn't really put you in a good light imo. Bullying and especially cyber-bullying is one of the bigger social problems we face nowadays, just imagine how much shit Scarlett has to go through on a regular basis. Those kinds of comments doesn't exactly help that. Spouts bullshit? She genuinely didn't know. Quit trying to white knight for Scarlett when it isn't warranted. And I though Hot_Bid was a girl before these interviews. The more you know, huh? | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: because its no where on the NASL site... and over all the NASL site is very informative... that is why it seems odd. 2 liquipedia editor guys stated they tried and failed to get prize money info... check the thread and talk to them maybe? Would you mind linking me to that post? | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On December 12 2012 07:01 kollin wrote: Urgh, thought the Lauren interview was actually pretty good right up until what she said about Scarlett. Disgusting. DISGUSTING. Wow. I can only imagine what terrible names you call people who dip their fries into their milkshakes. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:27 garlicface wrote: DISGUSTING. Wow. I can only imagine what terrible names you call people who dip their fries into their milkshakes. No, what I find disgusting is the clear ignorance she displays, and the audacity she has to display that ignorance in an interview a large amount of people, including Scarlett, could well see. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
here is the first one...later in the thread another liquipedia editor guy re-enforces this comment http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387294#11 | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:28 kollin wrote: No, what I find disgusting is the clear ignorance she displays, and the audacity she has to display that ignorance in an interview a large amount of people, including Scarlett, could well see. How is it a bad thing? What if they were talking about Zergs, Scarlett specifically, and Lauren instead asked, "Wait, Scarlett is a Zerg?"? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:33 ELA wrote: What Jibba? Im fairly sure that Tolkien himself refuted the theory that Middle Earth was a sort of representation of World War 2, as journalists kept drawing similarities between the two. These are his exact words on the matter: Tolkien's issue with allegory was largely semantics and personal (he hated attributing anything to allegory, even when it was with other authors.) Instead, he called it 'applicability'. We know he was influenced heavily by his time in WWI and his son's in WWII, and we know the period of 1938 is at least partially represented by the looming darkness in the stories, and I think there's fair comparisons to be made, based on his letters, between things like the Nazgul and burgeoning air power. He refused to call it allegory because it would pin down the story to a specific point in time, whereas he liked to think of his story being applicable at many points of history. Still, he drew upon the history of WWI and II heavily for the story and was using it to create a mythology for England. The greater point being that it's not like fantasy detached from real life. Even if it wasn't meant to represent real life, it was heavily inspired by it. I kind of think it's what he hoped real life would've been like - the allies destroying their ultimate weapon rather than using it. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:25 garlicface wrote: Spouts bullshit? She genuinely didn't know. Quit trying to white knight for Scarlett when it isn't warranted. And I though Hot_Bid was a girl before these interviews. The more you know, huh? You presenting "she genuinely didn't know" as fact is not any better then me presenting that she did as fact....Oh wait, I didn't... I do find it hard to believe a person who's been employed full time in Esports, specifically Starcraft 2, for quite a while, don't know who Scarlett is. Oh and she did claim to know who she was as well. Even if she didn't know, it was a borderline moronic comment that could not do any good no matter the answer to her question. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote: here is the first one...later in the thread another liquipedia editor guy re-enforces this comment http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387294#11 So 1 guy, who I would like to point out has no position of importance within the hierarchy of Liquipedia, says that when he and a few others who did some work on a page anyone could edit couldn't find a source for the prize pool, that means there isn't one? That's....just wrong. | ||
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
And all the things Soe can, speaking 6 or more languages, knowing sword fight, talented artist, hosting events.... why does she have to remind me of of how bad I am at everything. ...  | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:31 garlicface wrote: How is it a bad thing? What if they were talking about Zergs, Scarlett specifically, and Lauren instead asked, "Wait, Scarlett is a Zerg?"? Not derailing this thread with an argument about this. We disagree, now move on. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:33 kollin wrote: So 1 guy, who I would like to point out has no position of importance within the hierarchy of Liquipedia, says that when he and a few others who did some work on a page anyone could edit couldn't find a source for the prize pool, that means there isn't one? That's....just wrong. no, if you read the thread further another liquipedia editor agrees with him. that is 2 not 1... and previously in a different thread a third says the same thing. i was kind enough to find that 1.. dig through that thread if you want to. you are the 1 concluding there is no prize pool. i am merely pointing out what i see. in the murky world of eSports i guess anything is possible... but its highly unlikely "no prizepool" will occur. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:32 Ballack wrote: You presenting "she genuinely didn't know" as fact is not any better then me presenting that she did as fact....Oh wait, I didn't... I do find it hard to believe a person who's been employed full time in Esports, specifically Starcraft 2, for quite a while, don't know who Scarlett is. Oh and she did claim to know who she was as well. Even if she didn't know, it was a borderline moronic comment that could not do any good no matter the answer to her question. The issue at hand is whether or not she's ignorant for not knowing who Scarlett is, or if she was intentionally malicious. Hint: + Show Spoiler + It wasn't the latter. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no, if you read the thread further another liquipedia editor agrees with him. that is 2 not 1... and previously in a different thread a third says the same thing. dig through that thread if you want to. you are the 1 concluding there is no prize pool. i am merely pointing out what i see. What? You're arguments literally don't make sense. I am saying, anyone can edit Liquipedia, not a small group of people designated as editors. At no point do I say there is no prize pool. What I am saying is, what if it was actually a guy a from NASL who added in the prize pool? Then while we need a source to reference, we still have a reliable source if that makes sense. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:38 kollin wrote: What? You're arguments literally don't make sense. I am saying, anyone can edit Liquipedia, not a small group of people designated as editors. At no point do I say there is no prize pool. What I am saying is, what if it was actually a guy a from NASL who added in the prize pool? Then while we need a source to reference, we still have a reliable source if that makes sense. You shouldn't derail the thread with this. Best to agree to disagree, and move on. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16711 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:38 kollin wrote: What? You're arguments literally don't make sense. I am saying, anyone can edit Liquipedia, not a small group of people designated as editors. At no point do I say there is no prize pool. What I am saying is, what if it was actually a guy a from NASL who added in the prize pool? Then while we need a source to reference, we still have a reliable source if that makes sense. you should just read that other thread. all ur points are addressed in there. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:39 garlicface wrote: You shouldn't derail the thread with this. Best to agree to disagree, and move on. The difference between this disagreement and the one before is, the guy who disagrees with me this time around is basing his viewpoint on a completely skewed and incorrect version of how Liquipedia works. Though I will, move on, because I am mature enough to know when to stop. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you should just read that other thread. all ur points are addressed in there. There's a reason your other thread was closed. ANYONE with a TL account can edit Liquipedia. I have, so I suppose I could be considered an "editor." I'd put the tinfoil hat back in the drawer. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no, if you read the thread further another liquipedia editor agrees with him. that is 2 not 1... and previously in a different thread a third says the same thing. dig through that thread if you want to. you are the 1 concluding there is no prize pool. i am merely pointing out what i see. Please stop - all i said was that we had no reference for the prizepool numbers. This is part of a much bigger issue with tournaments not publishing their tournament details for events, veto rules, map versions, tiebreaking and so on which sometimes is quiete important info for an event. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:35 garlicface wrote: The issue at hand is whether or not she's ignorant for not knowing who Scarlett is, or if she was intentionally malicious. Hint: + Show Spoiler + It wasn't the latter. And I haven't made my thoughts on both those possible cases clear? Yes I have. Lets stop with this but if you think you saying "it wasn't the latter" makes any difference as to what we are discussing here, you're wrong, unless you have some inside info like for instance if you know Lauren personally or something. If you cannot see in any way that it could be intentional maliciousness, then I'm sorry but you don't really know how those things works. In fact, that tactic to ridicule people is very common, especially among females. Agree to disagree shall we? Just don't try to gloss over my point of view when you have no evidence to support your theory that what I'm saying is complete bullshit, as I haven't done that to you. | ||
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Wolfik
Poland56 Posts
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
Although the Scarlett part was fucking hilarious | ||
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Falling
Canada11355 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:32 Jibba wrote: Tolkien's issue with allegory was largely semantics and personal (he hated attributing anything to allegory, even when it was with other authors.) Instead, he called it 'applicability'. We know he was influenced heavily by his time in WWI and his son's in WWII, and we know the period of 1938 is at least partially represented by the looming darkness in the stories, and I think there's fair comparisons to be made, based on his letters, between things like the Nazgul and burgeoning air power. He refused to call it allegory because it would pin down the story to a specific point in time, whereas he liked to think of his story being applicable at many points of history. Still, he drew upon the history of WWI and II heavily for the story and was using it to create a mythology for England. The greater point being that it's not like fantasy detached from real life. Even if it wasn't meant to represent real life, it was heavily inspired by it. I kind of think it's what he hoped real life would've been like - the allies destroying their ultimate weapon rather than using it. No I rather think this issue is he hated people trying to break a story to track down every piece of biographical influence that led to the story creation. Rather than enjoying the story as its own secondary creation. No-one would argue that Tolkien was un-affected by what he experienced. But in Tolkien's opinion, breaking the story down into primary world parallels destroyed the purpose of creating a secondary world. To be carried away into another story. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
On December 12 2012 08:16 Ballack wrote: Erm... While I like your creative way of saying the joke went over my head, the content of that is quite miss-guided. That's partly my fault. I did not perceive his post to be sincere, in fact I assumed it was sarcastic and defended why I don't think this is a laughing matter. To the end of the post you can see that I wrote he shouldn't equate the stuff both of us think are overreactions from the community, with the point I was making. Where we disagree is that he doesn't think my post presented a legitimate gripe, which then made him write sarcastically that we should email sponsors because of it. I didn't think it was a laughing matter, he did. So in reality, this is the current situation: "The point" <-------- "Your head" <------ You understood that Cloud was being sarcastic, but you didn't thoroughly read through my post to identify that I too realized he was in fact being sarcastic, and that I didn't appreciate that fact, thus I wrote my response. Oh man, you even took my joke pretty seriously. Look man, I wasn't trying to talk shit about you. I just happen to find it funny when people read obviously sarcastic comments and try to turn it into some sort of made up drama. I just found it kinda silly you (despite that you realized it was sarcasm) that you made such a serious and kind of overly dramatic reaction to it. Much like how you responded to mine. Cloud making a sarcastic comment in the forums shouldn't be turned into something that needs to be discussed as if he were being absolutely serious. This is why a lot of pro's don't actually post in these forums because they hate when people take their posts and turn them into something they aren't. Look, I still love you and sorry if you were offended, I just don't think it's that serious. Ha | ||
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Falling
Canada11355 Posts
It's like Duncan Trussel and the "Glittery, Disco Ball Race" As for the Middle-Earth Europe thing- it's difficult to pin down exactly what Tolkien thought as his letters span decades and he changed his mind over the years. I think it would be fair to say that Middle Earth was inspired geographically from NW Europe at least as far as the detailed descriptions are concerned. I don't think the NW Europe's ethnic groups were somehow supposed to be paralleled (Nor should we be trying to cut up the story to find World War parallels.) | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
Biggest crush on Soe right now...right after Bisu :DDD | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On December 12 2012 16:00 Falling wrote: Haha. Doesn't like the shiny lights of the Protoss. It's like Duncan Trussel and the "Glittery, Disco Ball Race" As for the Middle-Earth Europe thing- it's difficult to pin down exactly what Tolkien thought as his letters span decades and he changed his mind over the years. I think it would be fair to say that Middle Earth was inspired geographically from NW Europe at least as far as the detailed descriptions are concerned. I don't think the NW Europe's ethnic groups were somehow supposed to be paralleled (Nor should we be trying to cut up the story to find World War parallels.) I always found really interesting finding those parallels. For example how "The field of the death" was inspired shocked me a bit. | ||
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Grettin
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On December 12 2012 15:58 Pwnzer wrote: Oh man, you even took my joke pretty seriously. Look man, I wasn't trying to talk shit about you. I just happen to find it funny when people read obviously sarcastic comments and try to turn it into some sort of made up drama. I just found it kinda silly you (despite that you realized it was sarcasm) that you made such a serious and kind of overly dramatic reaction to it. Much like how you responded to mine. Cloud making a sarcastic comment in the forums shouldn't be turned into something that needs to be discussed as if he were being absolutely serious. This is why a lot of pro's don't actually post in these forums because they hate when people take their posts and turn them into something they aren't. Look, I still love you and sorry if you were offended, I just don't think it's that serious. Ha I didn't really make very much drama about the Cloud post did I though? Yes I said joking about the matter doesn't really put a good light on him, but I'd say that's quite a mild criticism don't you think? And tbh I used Cloud's post merely to further my thoughts on the subject, and why I don't think it is a laughing matter, and his post lined up pretty nicely as a post to respond to. It could have been written by anyone, and I'd write just the same. So you perceive my post to be overly aimed at Cloud. I disagree, I did mention him once, but the rest of my post wasn't aimed at him at all. I can see why you thought that though as I was quoting Cloud's post. I just fundamentally disagree with the majority who thinks it's a laughing matter (see youtube comments), or who doesn't care about it. I can understand the people who think "it was just an honest mistake so let's leave it at that", but while I understand them, I don't really agree with it. Even if it was a mistake, it was quite an ignorant question to ask, and it's not an example of proper behavior to say it like that. It is comments like that I think the community should be most concerned about. Such as Orb making racist remarks or Incontrol (among others) bullying that terran guy on SotG. Orb lost his job as a consequence, and Incontrol has later apologized and shown regret for how he acted. I think those cases are much more essential in trying to make this community as awesome as it is compared to other communities, than the other random shit people have been making drama of. Why I feel so strongly about this probably has something to do with the line of education I'm progressing through. And do get me right. If Incontrol makes fun of Norwegians, saying we are all tall blond guys with bright voices, I'll laugh along with him. But when you target one person alone, it quickly turns into a hurtful and unnecessary act. That type of culture is what I'm trying to get rid of, and we do that by keeping our community pillars in line. Oh and I might seem offended, but I'm only offended by that idiotic comment from Lauren, and I'm not upset while writing my posts (apart from the first one) if you have that impression. I still love you too | ||
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Falling
Canada11355 Posts
On December 12 2012 17:48 Godwrath wrote: I always found really interesting finding those parallels. For example how "The field of the death" was inspired shocked me a bit. Well it's one thing to say Tolkien's experience in the trenches probably had a large impact in the conception of the Dead Marshes. It's an entirely other matter to say 'aha. I've figured out LotR's. Gondor is Britain, Mordor is Germany, the Ring is the atomic bomb,' and this race is _____ ethnic group. But what have we truly gained? It might make us feel smart to have 'figured it out'. What new insight to the story do we actually have? In Tolkien's view the story has actually been diminished as we've broken it down in search of primary world chunks and we are no longer reading the story as a story. We are not entering into the secondary world. But I should probably stop derailing on LotR's tangents. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On December 13 2012 07:16 Falling wrote: Well it's one thing to say Tolkien's experience in the trenches probably had a large impact in the conception of the Dead Marshes. It's an entirely other matter to say 'aha. I've figured out LotR's. Gondor is Britain, Mordor is Germany, the Ring is the atomic bomb,' and this race is _____ ethnic group. But what have we truly gained? It might make us feel smart to have 'figured it out'. What new insight to the story do we actually have? In Tolkien's view the story has actually been diminished as we've broken it down in search of primary world chunks and we are no longer reading the story as a story. We are not entering into the secondary world. But I should probably stop derailing on LotR's tangents. While Tolkien's views and life experiences undoubtedly played a part in his writing (arguably unavoidable), he explicitly stated that, "It [The Lord of the Rings"] is neither allegorical nor topical.... I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." That statement was taken directly from Tolkien's introduction in one of the later editions of the LOTR, once people had started speculating about potential symbolism and allegory contained within the story. | ||
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ETisME
12413 Posts
hope she is more than just an eye candy for the scene. | ||
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Anta
Germany434 Posts
On December 14 2012 01:16 ETisME wrote: after someone introduce me to laruen's daily motion videos (family filter off, of cause), it becomes difficult to see her in the esport scene somehow..lol hope she is more than just an eye candy for the scene. don't worry she already is more than that. and why is it hard to see her in the esport scene after seeing her nude? she's sexy and in esport. i would say profit. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
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NotTheMonker
United States131 Posts
Also, I don't think we should flame Lauren for asking if Scarlett is a guy. She probably thought Hot_Bid was naming a male player to troll her. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
Had no issue with anything said.On December 12 2012 20:19 Ballack wrote: "that terran guy" how could you be so ignorant + Show Spoiler + I didn't really make very much drama about the Cloud post did I though? Yes I said joking about the matter doesn't really put a good light on him, but I'd say that's quite a mild criticism don't you think? And tbh I used Cloud's post merely to further my thoughts on the subject, and why I don't think it is a laughing matter, and his post lined up pretty nicely as a post to respond to. It could have been written by anyone, and I'd write just the same. So you perceive my post to be overly aimed at Cloud. I disagree, I did mention him once, but the rest of my post wasn't aimed at him at all. I can see why you thought that though as I was quoting Cloud's post. I just fundamentally disagree with the majority who thinks it's a laughing matter (see youtube comments), or who doesn't care about it. I can understand the people who think "it was just an honest mistake so let's leave it at that", but while I understand them, I don't really agree with it. Even if it was a mistake, it was quite an ignorant question to ask, and it's not an example of proper behavior to say it like that. It is comments like that I think the community should be most concerned about. Such as Orb making racist remarks or . Orb lost his job as a consequence, and Incontrol has later apologized and shown regret for how he acted. I think those cases are much more essential in trying to make this community as awesome as it is compared to other communities, than the other random shit people have been making drama of. Why I feel so strongly about this probably has something to do with the line of education I'm progressing through. And do get me right. If Incontrol makes fun of Norwegians, saying we are all tall blond guys with bright voices, I'll laugh along with him. But when you target one person alone, it quickly turns into a hurtful and unnecessary act. That type of culture is what I'm trying to get rid of, and we do that by keeping our community pillars in line. Oh and I might seem offended, but I'm only offended by that idiotic comment from Lauren, and I'm not upset while writing my posts (apart from the first one) if you have that impression. I still love you too On a serious note, it was avilo. | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On December 14 2012 01:16 ETisME wrote: after someone introduce me to laruen's daily motion videos (family filter off, of cause), it becomes difficult to see her in the esport scene somehow..lol hope she is more than just an eye candy for the scene. If you haven't already you should check out the Slasher interview where she talks about growing up with her dad doing competitive quake. Basically comparing perspectives from her childhood to now that she's inside the scene. I like Lauren because she comes off genuine and doesn't shy away from her not so low-key background. Yea she's a total newbie, but she's a host not a caster and in that regard she's pretty solid IMO. | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
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dBdHellRider
Sweden63 Posts
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