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Way to throw a bucket of piss on your own fire, Kespa
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no biggie for me tho, korean casters make me fap
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Well, someone can just show the Korean stream, mute the sound, and do impromptu commentary right?
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I feel bad for DoA, but big deal.
On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession.
Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast)
It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab.
I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
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On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
Yes it is surprising. They're shooting themselves in the leg. They've included a foreign team into the league which has pulled thousand of foreign eyes in the direction of proleague. By not including english casters they will be losing a lot of this foreign attention. The foreign fanbase GOM has garnered is probably keeping them afloat while KESPA drags themselves down.
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You've just proven my point.
KeSPA has done stupid things like this for years, even back in BW days. No one should be surprised by this. :p
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On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.)
But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.)
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Damn, feel bad for DoA and any english casters more than anything
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*I'm talking with OGN and KeSPA to get them to either upload the map files on the other servers or, more likely, give me the files so I can upload them myself. I'll keep people posted.*
Oh, about the maps on other servers. I already asked jacky about that. He said he'd upload soon.
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On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.)
I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans.
I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example.
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On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example.
I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this.
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On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
Indeed the biggest thing here is KeSPA is trying to protect their assets.
They aren't happy with OGN giving so little time to their league and want more exposure.
This is very similar to what Riot's been trying to do with LoL with regards to casting and exposure. They want their league to go over everything else.
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On December 07 2012 04:57 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example. I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this.
It is within their right to a certain extent.
Do you think it is fair to complain (let's assume the english cast is still happening) that they are broadcasting at 4am Eastern US Time?
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On December 07 2012 05:15 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:57 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example. I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this. It is within their right to a certain extent. Do you think it is fair to complain (let's assume the english cast is still happening) that they are broadcasting at 4am Eastern US Time?
No, not really. They are in their right to (and they should) cast during reasonable Korean times because that's presumably where most of their viewers are, and because it's the best time for the competitors and organizers. But if they're honestly serious about reaching out to foreigners, they should still look into having an English language stream at the same time, or putting up English VODs afterwards.
I'm more taking issue with the original quote that it's somehow unreasonable to expect any English language content, just because there was no English language content back in the BW days when there were no foreigners playing and KEPSA was making no real efforts to reach out to the foreign community.
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ROFL these maps are so bad. How the heck do you take a third as protoss on any of these new maps. Zerg can pressure so hard with Roach/ling on all of these new maps. I cannot imagine how bad you would have to be to lose as a zerg on any of these maps.
The spaces are so wide open that you would need like 6 forcefields to hold pressure. So bad.
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On December 07 2012 05:32 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:15 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:57 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example. I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this. It is within their right to a certain extent. Do you think it is fair to complain (let's assume the english cast is still happening) that they are broadcasting at 4am Eastern US Time? No, not really. They are in their right to (and they should) cast during reasonable Korean times because that's presumably where most of their viewers are, and because it's the best time for the competitors and organizers. But if they're honestly serious about reaching out to foreigners, they should still look into having an English language stream at the same time, or putting up English VODs afterwards. I'm more taking issue with the original quote that it's somehow unreasonable to expect any English language content, just because there was no English language content back in the BW days when there were no foreigners playing and KEPSA was making no real efforts to reach out to the foreign community.
That is fair, then.
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On December 07 2012 00:37 shiroiusagi wrote:This is disappointing.  How do they expect thier international exposure...
Lets get the foreign community really excited by adding TL-EG to Proleague! And then make everyone mad by shafting the non-korean fans...
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On December 07 2012 04:59 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? Indeed the biggest thing here is KeSPA is trying to protect their assets. They aren't happy with OGN giving so little time to their league and want more exposure. This is very similar to what Riot's been trying to do with LoL with regards to casting and exposure. They want their league to go over everything else.
Riot acts to give their game the biggest exposure possible tho, thats exactly the contrary of whats happening here.
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I hope it works out, but I'm glad OGN still has OSL.
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On December 07 2012 06:21 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I hope it works out, but I'm glad OGN still has OSL.
Well obviously they still have the OSL, it's their own league.
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