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shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
How do they expect thier international exposure... | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote: Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say. Ok, let's get oldschool here. I watched Quake tournaments in Russian, WC3 in Chinese, CS in Swedish and I enjoyed them all BUT that's not where we are now. Today we have the resources to make it enjoyable for almost everybody. We can livestream easier than ever before, we can get multiple video feeds delivered instantly, we have the technology so to speak. We're apparently just not getting any use out of it for fucking politics. I'm a spoiled brat by now, I agree. I enjoy understanding what is going on instead of just mindlessly screaming ULTRALISKEEEEE. For all that matters English commentators can do the exact same thing should they choose so. Appreciating the Korean style just means appreciating the screaming and fast talking while not understanding a thing which made those things funny and enjoyable in the first place. Yes we all watched Proleague in Korean at some point but there's no point in saying "it's still good". It's not. It's worse than it could be, there a huge demographic being cut out and I fully understand people who won't watch it in Korean. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13425 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
This is just another disappointment in the long kespa disappointments list. | ||
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tsuxiit
1305 Posts
...again. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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Soulrivers
Sweden46 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote: Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say. Newsflash: people enjoy the game in different ways. Some enjoy cool strategies being executed, some enjoy perfect timing pushes, some enjoy the stories and drama, some enjoy the casters either cracking jokes or telling them what is going because else they won't understand, or any combination of the above. No doubt the foreign viewer count will drop significantly if there is no English stream, perhaps to as low as a few hundred (hell OSL had like what, 3k? and that was in English!). Spoiled? It's called progress, development, evolution, whatever you choose. Get off your high horse and realize that some people just won't watch if there are no English casters. | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On December 07 2012 01:30 Soulrivers wrote: Newsflash: people enjoy the game in different ways. Some enjoy cool strategies being executed, some enjoy perfect timing pushes, some enjoy the stories and drama, some enjoy the casters either cracking jokes or telling them what is going because else they won't understand, or any combination of the above. No doubt the foreign viewer count will drop significantly if there is no English stream, perhaps to as low as a few hundred (hell OSL had like what, 3k? and that was in English!). Spoiled? It's called progress, development, evolution, whatever you choose. Get off your high horse and realize that some people just won't watch if there are no English casters. We won't miss you. SC2 needs a proleague, and this is a huge step forward. Not everyone wants or needs English casters. Have you ever seen English casters match the epicness of "AHHHH PLAGUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUUUUUU"? I don't know why everyone is acting so hurt. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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hoburame
Netherlands48 Posts
They are the guardians of the players and get them good and professional working conditions. In a public statement they told that their next objective was to reach the "foreigners". They ultimately failed and disappointing the whole foreign community. Tournaments like GSL, IPL or MLG blow them out of the water in coordination. I at least know a weak in advance when things will be broadcasted. They do not respect their own will the protect their players when they refuse an obvious gigantic opportunity to get their players out there. Less spectators = Less money in the scene unless the scene is made out of rich people ( sc2 is mostly not ) When they do not allow players to get out of KeSPA's fangs, it cannot be considered as a professional behavior from KeSPA. It is simply them refusing to let their players go for something that might actually be better. They do not, AT ALL mean to reach the foreigner community and this is an OUTRAGE. The expected professionalism from such a big organisation seems to be totally miss founded. I think that they should, from now, on earn our trust just like any tournaments. NASL has been punished extremely hard after not delivering the show we expected. KeSPA is denying our show in it's totality and we should not let this go through with some half-***** excuse. I DEMAND explanation from the organisation. I realize that their might be good reasons for them not to do this but if it is not correctly explained, you cannot pardon such misleading information they gave to the to be viewers. Trying to make your own league with your own players by using of their exclusivity and maliciously profiting from some of the NA scene's biggest teams to get your little league going is simply unacceptable ( unless proven otherwise ). You profit and give nothing in exchange. This is not a politic that should be used in today's SC2 community. If we cannot repress this behavior, I think we are in the trouble zone in the years to come. For me tournaments that deserve to be viewed are GSL, IPL, MLG, Dreamhack and NASL. they really have been running the scene and I trust them to make the good calls at the the right moments. Props to them. ps: KeSPA has 5 stars again on the "most evil e-sports organisation" ranking. | ||
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EvanC
Canada130 Posts
If I were KeSPA, I would have removed OGNs casting privileges too. I'm really sorry for Doa though. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On December 07 2012 01:37 DemigodcelpH wrote: We won't miss you. SC2 needs a proleague, and this is a huge step forward. Not everyone wants or needs English casters. Have you ever seen English casters match the epicness of "AHHHH PLAGUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUUUUUU"? I don't know why everyone is acting so hurt. Why would anyone NOT want English casters? Even if you personally do not watch them, some people will prefer it and that means more viewers. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On December 07 2012 01:13 Reptilia wrote: the first two maps are a joke right? specially arkanoid... Lol Novice Arkanoid XD, Looks like a lot of the designers are using a lot of the BW map features. The bridges, and those more linear raised terrain look interesting to me. | ||
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Chemist
Austria127 Posts
And to those people who say "just watch it in korean", well many people who watch SC2 don't know very much about the game and watching experience is better, if you have someone who points out the important things. I don't want to hear a guy screaming in a language which i don't understand just because it's "epic"... | ||
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Franberra
12 Posts
On December 07 2012 01:37 DemigodcelpH wrote: It's all fine and dandy that you appreciate kind-of related incomprehensible screaming accompanying your streams, but I'd rather just mute that shit and listen to something I enjoy instead.We won't miss you. SC2 needs a proleague, and this is a huge step forward. Not everyone wants or needs English casters. Have you ever seen English casters match the epicness of "AHHHH PLAGUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUUUUUU"? I don't know why everyone is acting so hurt. | ||
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FakeLife
United States41 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote: Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. | ||
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CuteZergling
641 Posts
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pmp10
3399 Posts
Seems to me that they always calculate gain in exposure and this would be a major blow to their foreign sponsors. Unless of course MLG will be doing the casting and the announcement is not done yet. | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33704 Posts
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