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December 8th, 2012 - (tentatively the first week of August, 2013
Participating Teams
Map Pool
Old Maps:
- Antiga Shipyard
- Tal'Darim Altar
- Cloud Kingdom
- Ohana
New Maps: (click the revealed spoiler image for huge file splendor!)
Bifrost
Arkanoid
Planet S
CalDeum
*I'm talking with OGN and KeSPA to get them to either upload the map files on the other servers or, more likely, give me the files so I can upload them myself. I'll keep people posted.*
Tournament Format
Proleague will be a total of 6 rounds. Rounds 1, 3, 4, 6 will be Proleague format while rounds 2 and 5 will be All-Kill format.
Broadcast times and Streams:
No info on Korean streams yet.
Casters: DoA (me!) and Monte Cristo
OGN Stream: www.twitch.tv/ongamenet
Broadcast time: LoL is set to broadcast at 7pm KST though so Proleague will definitely be in earlier afternoon. Most likely Proleague will be broadcast at 1 or 2pm KST. I'll update when I can.
Cost and Quality:480p is free. $5.99 USD per month for 720p and VOD access. (Also includes OGN's League of Legends content)
SPOTV (IEG) Stream (for weekday matches.): Will update when I get it.
No info at this point about cost/quality/broadcast times. There were rumors about other casters for this stream a while ago, but at this point I'd say expectno English commentary. This stream is run by KeSPA.
Information for viewing live matches in Seoul:
OGN Matches - Saturday and Sunday
Matches are held on the 9th Floor of the iPark Mall (click for Google maps link) Yongsan (용산역) Subway Station is actually part of the mall so it's pretty easy to get to no matter where you start out on the metro system.
SpotTV(IEG) Matches - Monday and Tuesday
Currently these maps are supposedly going to be played at the Intel E-Stadium at the Sindorim Technomart. (click the Search button once the page loads and it'll work. Google Maps has a hard time with this one) The E-Stadium isn't exactly a venue that's made for spectating so I'm not sure how KeSPA plans to handle fans who want to view the matches live. Sindorim (신도림역) is also a stop on the #2 (green) line on the Seoul Subway and the station is in the basement of the Technomart so once again, it's fairly easy to get to from pretty much anywhere in Seoul. I'll try to find out if these matches will be able to be spectated live.
Follow me on Twitter for any updates to everything SC2 and LoL for OnGameNet at https://twitter.com/ggDoA
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Decently priced 720p and VOD access. Great to hear. I assume you (DoA) are one of the casters then or is there only Korean stream?
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On December 06 2012 19:28 Grettin wrote:
Decently priced 720p and VOD access. Great to hear. I assume you (DoA) are one of the casters then or is there only Korean stream?
Knew I forgot something! OP's been updated. No info about Korean streams yet.
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Yeah the prices are good, and thanks for all the info DoA. But the lack of an english stream with SpotTV sucks
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
Bifrost looks absolutely bonkers and I can't wait to see games on it! Maps look decent although I would probably have liked some modification to TDA if they were going to put it in. Sad to hear about SPOTV but maybe we'll have restreams with English commentary or something. Looking forward to GSTL/Proleague clash on the first day!
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On December 06 2012 19:30 DoA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 19:28 Grettin wrote:
Decently priced 720p and VOD access. Great to hear. I assume you (DoA) are one of the casters then or is there only Korean stream? Knew I forgot something! OP's been updated. No info about Korean streams yet.
Thanks for the info. Good luck.
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Thanks DoA. I appreciate the designated info thread.
edit - If you're looking for the Proleague stream it's at twitch.tv/sc2proleague and not twitch.tv/ongamenet.
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Thank you for the thread, no finalised schedule or English casters for the weekday match's is disappointing.
Looking forward to watching EG-TL and Flash all the same ^_^
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nice...maps...making like old BW maps...
I like I like
Arkanoid reminds me of Monty Hall... lol
instead of minerals..its blocked by rocks..i guess you cant sneak in workers or zealots though haha
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THis is going to be AWESOME!
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hey doa,
do foreigners get access to both english and korean vods?
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This looks incredible. Also, glad to see you're back casting again in Korea DoA
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Australia54784 Posts
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The return of gold minerals; but atleast they are pretty hard to defend, espicially on . I´m not so sure, if I like Bifrost, the map-design is quite good, but the third seems very far away, I wonder if zergs get problems with that.
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I didn't follow BW so the maps that are BW remakes don't ring any bells for me, but just having a look at those four maps makes me tingly. Some of it is so different, I can't wait to see how pros figure them out and what kind of creative stuff they can produce 
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I don't mind at all subscribing for ogn VODs, but it would weird to have access to only half of the league. Looking forward to hearing more info about spotv stream and VODs.
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1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X
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Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
So this thread tells us about the SC2 pro league maps and the OGN LOL stream >.<
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wow i see alot of 2 base all ins in PvZ on Planet S.. cool that kespa try to make some maps that are outside of ladder!
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Wait... on arkanoid.. are these rocks all over the place with no entrance? Like one of these practice maps???
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Is the starting point isolated in Arkanoid??
with two free easy expansion.. wow.. i am really excited on how it will be played..
the other maps have difficult third expansion... i'm worried a lot of two base all-in..
and btw Thanks Doa!
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I'd consider the 6 bucks per month for vods and high quality stream a bargain.
But it's fairly strange to have access to only half of them. :/
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What's the red thing on Caldeum ?
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On December 06 2012 19:49 USvBleakill wrote:
Wait... on arkanoid.. are these rocks all over the place with no entrance? Like one of these practice maps???
Yes. It looks like the map will be an all air battle... and with the Seeker Missile upgrade removed in the patch... gg Protoss and Zerg... o_o
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720p stream and vod access for 6 bucks a month? You got yourself a subscriber.
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On December 06 2012 19:52 tomwizz wrote:
What's the red thing on Caldeum ?
Depleted vespene gas geyser.
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Arkanoid looks like DBs wet dream
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After looking at all the new maps...
Dear KeSPA,
Please replace Blizzard as the map makers of ladder.
Sincerely, everyone.
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On December 06 2012 19:46 Fody03 wrote:
1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X
Middle of the night? You mean early in the morning :p 18:00 KST is 10 AM CET so 13:00 or 14:00 KST would be either 5 or 6 AM CET.
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Someone needs to explain to me why gold bases are always in the middle of maps? Surely if you have control of the middle enough to establish a base there and be reasonably safe you are winning and if you are winning all a gold would do is prevent a comeback.
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On December 06 2012 20:01 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 19:46 Fody03 wrote:
1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X Middle of the night? You mean early in the morning :p 18:00 KST is 10 AM CET so 13:00 or 14:00 KST would be either 5 or 6 AM CET.
Exactly and just like it has been for broodwar fans for long time on weekends.
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On December 06 2012 19:54 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 19:49 USvBleakill wrote:
Wait... on arkanoid.. are these rocks all over the place with no entrance? Like one of these practice maps??? Yes. It looks like the map will be an all air battle... and with the Seeker Missile upgrade removed in the patch... gg Protoss and Zerg... o_o
Holy crap. Well thats a way to change the metagame.
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On December 06 2012 20:01 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 19:46 Fody03 wrote:
1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X Middle of the night? You mean early in the morning :p 18:00 KST is 10 AM CET so 13:00 or 14:00 KST would be either 5 or 6 AM CET.
It's 19 PST (12 KST)... There's a schedule in the info below the stream on the twitch page.
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On December 06 2012 20:01 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 19:46 Fody03 wrote:
1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X Middle of the night? You mean early in the morning :p 18:00 KST is 10 AM CET so 13:00 or 14:00 KST would be either 5 or 6 AM CET.
Yeah, if euro guys can't catch first match, they can watch the second one, maybe around 8 or 9AM?
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On December 06 2012 20:04 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:01 Fragile51 wrote:On December 06 2012 19:46 Fody03 wrote:
1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X Middle of the night? You mean early in the morning :p 18:00 KST is 10 AM CET so 13:00 or 14:00 KST would be either 5 or 6 AM CET. It's 19 PST (12 KST)... There's a schedule in the info below the stream on the twitch page.
That's great but i wasn't talking about pacific? x_x
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Mexico674 Posts
The broodwar Arkanoid had neutral cocoon blocking the extra expansions, I'm correct in assuming there will be something similar in the new one (that weird thing next to each expansion)?
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On December 06 2012 20:07 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:04 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 20:01 Fragile51 wrote:On December 06 2012 19:46 Fody03 wrote:
1-2pm is like middle of night for EU,nooooooooooooooooooo x_X Middle of the night? You mean early in the morning :p 18:00 KST is 10 AM CET so 13:00 or 14:00 KST would be either 5 or 6 AM CET. It's 19 PST (12 KST)... There's a schedule in the info below the stream on the twitch page. That's great but i wasn't talking about pacific? x_x
The schedule on the twitch page is in PST... I'm from America, I don't know all the EU time zone conversions. 
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On December 06 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote:LOL how did DoA miss that >.< ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SHHkz.jpg) EG-TL vs KT Rolster Friday 7th December 10:30 GMT (+00:00)
Go Starcraft taking that prime time slot but what is olympus anyway?
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So, is 480p free or not?
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On December 06 2012 20:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote:LOL how did DoA miss that >.< EG-TL vs KT Rolster Friday 7th December 10:30 GMT (+00:00) Go Starcraft taking that prime time slot but what is olympus anyway?
Wild guess, without looking much into it, probably the sponsor of the LoL league: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Corporation
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On December 06 2012 20:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote:LOL how did DoA miss that >.< EG-TL vs KT Rolster Friday 7th December 10:30 GMT (+00:00) Go Starcraft taking that prime time slot but what is olympus anyway?
LoL... Hence the LOL right underneath every Olympus... Also he did the time zone conversion wrong... It's 19 PST (7 PM PST, 10 PM EST, etc...)
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On December 06 2012 20:10 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote:LOL how did DoA miss that >.< EG-TL vs KT Rolster Friday 7th December 10:30 GMT (+00:00) Go Starcraft taking that prime time slot but what is olympus anyway?
Olympus is the sponsor. A company that makes digital cameras, I believe.
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Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
On December 06 2012 20:11 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote:LOL how did DoA miss that >.< EG-TL vs KT Rolster Friday 7th December 03:00 GMT (+00:00) Clearly website detected your time zone or some other things. How can it be Dec. 7th?
Yeah, thats my fault. I had it down as 19:00 KST originally thinking that OGN would just put it down as KST, but yes it was put down as PST (Even though im in GMT time zone xD)
On December 06 2012 20:13 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:10 Adreme wrote:On December 06 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote:LOL how did DoA miss that >.< EG-TL vs KT Rolster Friday 7th December 10:30 GMT (+00:00) Go Starcraft taking that prime time slot but what is olympus anyway? LoL... Hence the LOL right underneath every Olympus... Also he did the time zone conversion wrong... It's 19 PST (7 PM PST, 10 PM EST, etc...)
It's right now!
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On December 06 2012 20:12 Shikada wrote:So, is 480p free or not?
No, but 360p is. I checked the stream earlier when it was rebroadcasting that LoL stuff because I searched twitch for every OGN stream... Found the schedule that way.
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Yes!!!!! It seems that kespa really cares about preserving e-sports in korea, props to them!
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On December 06 2012 20:15 Elite_ wrote:No, but 360p is. I checked the stream earlier when it was rebroadcasting that LoL stuff because I searched twitch for every OGN stream... Found the schedule that way.
So what is this then?
Cost and Quality:480p is free. $5.99 USD per month for 720p and VOD access. (Also includes OGN's League of Legends content)
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On December 06 2012 20:17 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:15 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 20:12 Shikada wrote:So, is 480p free or not? No, but 360p is. I checked the stream earlier when it was rebroadcasting that LoL stuff because I searched twitch for every OGN stream... Found the schedule that way. So what is this then? Show nested quote +Cost and Quality:480p is free. $5.99 USD per month for 720p and VOD access. (Also includes OGN's League of Legends content)
It's 360p. If you don't believe me, you can check out the LoL cast at 7 PM PST. Change the stream to 480p it will ask you to subscribe and change it right back to 360p.
(While you check that, you get the bonus of previewing the casters you'll be listening to during weekend Proleague matches.)
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I can't wait to see games on this new maps .
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On December 06 2012 20:20 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 20:17 Grettin wrote:On December 06 2012 20:15 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 20:12 Shikada wrote:So, is 480p free or not? No, but 360p is. I checked the stream earlier when it was rebroadcasting that LoL stuff because I searched twitch for every OGN stream... Found the schedule that way. So what is this then? Cost and Quality:480p is free. $5.99 USD per month for 720p and VOD access. (Also includes OGN's League of Legends content) It's 360p. If you don't believe me, you can check out the LoL cast at 7 PM PST. Change the stream to 480p it will ask you to subscribe and change it right back to 360p.
I trust you, but i really think it'll change, since DoA said 480p is free. Disappointing if it won't be 480p.
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Australia54784 Posts
i'll get the threads up tomorrow morning (about 12hrs time from posting) if they aren't up by then, so if anyone wanted to make them get in quick (i got the impression that others wanted to make them which is why i haven't so far)
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Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
On December 06 2012 20:23 opterown wrote:
i'll get the threads up tomorrow morning (about 12hrs time from posting) if they aren't up by then, so if anyone wanted to make them get in quick (i got the impression that others wanted to make them which is why i haven't so far)
I beleive it was BlindRawr who was going to make ProLeague threads OPTown. PM him if you want and see if you can sort something out.
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Just realized this but it's fitting that the first game on Arkanoid will be a TvT... lol
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Doa any knowledge on games in the new year? I am in Seoul jan 5th - 10th and would love to catch some games :D
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SpotTV(IEG) Matches - Monday and Tuesday
Currently these maps are supposedly going to be played at the Intel E-Stadium at the Sindorim Technomart. (click the Search button once the page loads and it'll work. Google Maps has a hard time with this one) The E-Stadium isn't exactly a venue that's made for spectating so I'm not sure how KeSPA plans to handle fans who want to view the matches live.
Having played 3 code a qualifiers there I am very disappointed for the players and the fans. The computers lag even on low graphics. It's very surprising because the CPUs are i7 2600k. =/ =(
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Hm. Can Sayle cast the SC2 on weekdays then?
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On December 06 2012 20:30 MinzySC2 wrote:
Hm. Can Sayle cast the SC2 on weekdays then?
I doubt Sayle will cast this Proleague since it's SC2 and he's more into BW anyways. It's like asking Tobi Wan to cast SC2 instead of DotA, imo.
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Are VODs gonna be uploaded in esportstv youtube channel?
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So tomorrow morning (for eu) I can literally get up and watch eg-tl face kt!? SICK I thought I'd have to fuck my sleep schedule for this, but thats even better.
Can't wait!
EDIT: So EsportsTV youtube channel says the games will be played at 12:00 kst, which would be 4 a.m. EU :/
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I'd say expect no English commentary. This stream is run by KeSPA.
rofl. If this holds true then I must say that its great to see Kespa isn't trying to make more of a joke of themselves or anything like that.
/sarcasm
Not that I care too much, I enjoy watching games while listening to my music just as much if not more than listening to a cast, but I imagine that the majority of the SC2 foreign scene will not be too pleased (though as long as there is still the possibility of someone restreaming with english commentary it shouldn't be too great of a deal for most people).
Thanks for the info though, looking forward to seeing some games on these 4 new maps.
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I hope the VLC streams will still work. Those tended to be a saving grace when the Twitch streams went awry.
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On December 06 2012 20:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
I hope the VLC streams will still work. Those tended to be a saving grace when the Twitch streams went awry.
So do i and i'm pretty sure they will. Hopefully atleast.
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On December 06 2012 20:42 Lorch wrote:
So tomorrow morning (for eu) I can literally get up and watch eg-tl face kt!? SICK I thought I'd have to fuck my sleep schedule for this, but thats even better.
Can't wait!
EDIT: So EsportsTV youtube channel says the games will be played at 12:00 kst, which would be 4 a.m. EU :/
Don't worry... You only have to fuck your sleep schedule a little bit, not a lot a bit. Welcome to the East coast of America's life during GSL... ^________^
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Very exited about the maps, I don't really know why you would have two separate broadcasting companies but well well..
Hope that we won't have too pay for that coverage as well T_T
Great post DoA, would be awesome if we could have the maps uploaded!
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Whattttttt :/ Updated sucks. Wtf
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On December 06 2012 19:25 DoA wrote:MAJOR EDIT (Original post still exists in the spoiler): I just got hit with some pretty hard to take news. OnGameNet will not be broadcasting the SK Planet Proleague this season. As that sinks in, let me elaborate on exactly why this is and where we're at now. Basically for a while now KeSPA has been preparing their own broadcasting platform (IEG) to presumably run events from. KeSPA's had a long history of doing their best to control everything that goes on in Korean esports so it's not shocking that they'd want to get into actually running the broadcasts as well. Proleague in fact is a result of KeSPA threatening to pull their players from both OGN and MBC's individual leagues if they didn't give up their respective team leagues and broadcast Proleague instead. This season KeSPA decided to run their own Proleague broadcast initially on weekdays, while OGN ran the weekend broadcast. As far as I know about a week ago KeSPA approached OGN and told them that they'd be running their own stream simultaneously with OGN's on weekends as well. They'd also be sending a commentator they had picked themselves to tri-cast with Monte Cristo and I. Naturally OGN was upset about this and Monte and I were a bit reluctant to tri-cast with someone we'd never worked with before. OGN went back to have talks yesterday and today with KeSPA and things did not go well. KeSPA has also been approaching english casters about the job, but so far none have accepted that I'm aware of. Not surprising. As of right now OGN will not be involved with Proleague at any level for an English broadcast as far as I'm aware. All the preparation by the staff here over the last few months is now for nothing. Needless to say I'm crushed. I'm enjoying LoL, but I came back to Korea to cast Starcraft 2. We've still got OSL (which OGN owns), but SC2 team leagues are basically my favorite thing in the entire world and now that's gone. So what do we get as fans of Proleague now? I still want to see these matches as much as anyone, but I'm frankly tired of KeSPA's lame ploys to try to keep control over something they never should have been in control if in the first place. For me it certainly sours the mood for what will be an epic first match between KT and EG.TL. I don't have any information about EIG's streams or when the broadcasts will be. If I find out I'll tell people. As hard as all this is to take, I want you guys to be able to watch if you want to. Is there a possibility things might change? Possibly. If KeSPA feels enough pressure they might bend. I'm certainly going to do everything I can. What I'm not going to do is tell you to boycott Proleague. That's your choice and I don't have any business telling you not to watch a game and players that you love because of idiotic corporate politics that you aren't a part of and frankly don't deserve to be hurt by. That's all I've got for now. If I get any updates I'll pass them on via my twitter. This fucking sucks. gg + Show Spoiler +December 8th, 2012 - (tentatively the first week of August, 2013 Participating Teams Map Pool Old Maps:- Antiga Shipyard
- Tal'Darim Altar
- Cloud Kingdom
- Ohana
New Maps: (click the revealed spoiler image for huge file splendor!)Bifrost Arkanoid Planet S CalDeum *I'm talking with OGN and KeSPA to get them to either upload the map files on the other servers or, more likely, give me the files so I can upload them myself. I'll keep people posted.*Tournament Format Proleague will be a total of 6 rounds. Rounds 1, 3, 4, 6 will be Proleague format while rounds 2 and 5 will be All-Kill format. Broadcast times and Streams: No info on Korean streams yet.Casters: DoA (me!) and Monte Cristo OGN Stream: www.twitch.tv/ongamenetBroadcast time: LoL is set to broadcast at 7pm KST though so Proleague will definitely be in earlier afternoon. Most likely Proleague will be broadcast at 1 or 2pm KST. I realize it's ridiculous to not know 2 days in advance, but unfortunately OGN and KeSPA are having some disagreements about various aspects of the tournament so things are in a bit of a state of flux right now. Oh KeSPA.... :/ I'll update when I can. Cost and Quality:480p is free. $5.99 USD per month for 720p and VOD access. (Also includes OGN's League of Legends content) SPOTV (IEG) Stream (for weekday matches.): Will update when I get it.No info at this point about cost/quality/broadcast times. There were rumors about other casters for this stream a while ago, but at this point I'd say expect no English commentary. This stream is run by KeSPA. Information for viewing live matches in Seoul: OGN Matches - Saturday and Sunday Matches are held on the 9th Floor of the iPark Mall (click for Google maps link) Yongsan (용산역) Subway Station is actually part of the mall so it's pretty easy to get to no matter where you start out on the metro system. SpotTV(IEG) Matches - Monday and Tuesday Currently these maps are supposedly going to be played at the Intel E-Stadium at the Sindorim Technomart. (click the Search button once the page loads and it'll work. Google Maps has a hard time with this one) The E-Stadium isn't exactly a venue that's made for spectating so I'm not sure how KeSPA plans to handle fans who want to view the matches live. Sindorim (신도림역) is also a stop on the #2 (green) line on the Seoul Subway and the station is in the basement of the Technomart so once again, it's fairly easy to get to from pretty much anywhere in Seoul. I'll try to find out if these matches will be able to be spectated live. Follow me on Twitter for any updates to everything SC2 and LoL for OnGameNet at https://twitter.com/ggDoA
...Da....Fuck.
Well, this sucks.
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KESPA giving r/starcraft what it wants.
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Fuck this shit. Again, Kespa?
edit: not that I would've bought a ticket in the first place, 60$ for a year long access to an sc2 event which normally runs twice every week is quite hefty. Basically same price as GSL, but with much less content.
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Time for Blizzard to step in again?
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Wow, why am I still surprised by the moves KESPA does ...
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On December 06 2012 21:04 Pandemona wrote:LOL Well thats fucking stupid. Thanks a bunch KESPA, fucking animals!!! We are 2days away from EG.TL vs KT Rolster and we have NO IDEA, of where the stream is, and if it is going to cost and all that. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE ANNOUNCE SOMETHING 
So much good news in the past two days had to be counterbalanced by some bad news, I guess x.x
Huge HOTS balance patch, EG Jaedong, TL-EG Proleague, WOL balance patch, CARRIER MICRO in hots.
Quantic disbanding, OGN not giving an english broadcast for Proleague.
Not sure if that even balances it out, brace for more bad news!
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Help us, MLG. You're our only hope.
but seriously this sucks, especially for everyone who had worked on the broadcast.
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Wow. I'm kinda new to the SC scene, and never watched Broodwar, so was looking forward to seeing what the Proleague was all about, especially considering the TL/EG partnership. Guess I just got my first taste of what dealing with Kespa is like. I hope some good stream is still available.
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On December 06 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:04 Pandemona wrote:LOL Well thats fucking stupid. Thanks a bunch KESPA, fucking animals!!! We are 2days away from EG.TL vs KT Rolster and we have NO IDEA, of where the stream is, and if it is going to cost and all that. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE ANNOUNCE SOMETHING So much good news in the past two days had to be counterbalanced by some bad news, I guess x.x Huge HOTS balance patch, EG Jaedong, TL-EG Proleague, WOL balance patch, CARRIER MICRO in hots. Quantic disbanding, OGN not giving an english broadcast for Proleague. Not sure if that even balances it out, brace for more bad news!
wait when did I miss carrier micro in hots?
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On December 06 2012 21:07 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:04 Pandemona wrote:LOL Well thats fucking stupid. Thanks a bunch KESPA, fucking animals!!! We are 2days away from EG.TL vs KT Rolster and we have NO IDEA, of where the stream is, and if it is going to cost and all that. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE ANNOUNCE SOMETHING So much good news in the past two days had to be counterbalanced by some bad news, I guess x.x Huge HOTS balance patch, EG Jaedong, TL-EG Proleague, WOL balance patch, CARRIER MICRO in hots. Quantic disbanding, OGN not giving an english broadcast for Proleague. Not sure if that even balances it out, brace for more bad news! wait when did I miss carrier micro in hots?
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/14dmb2/carrier_micro_has_been_added_into_hots/
Watch the video.
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LOL Kespa. That is absolutely hilarious how I made my post saying Kespa was trying to make more of a joke of themselves and then right after that DoA flips the new news on everyone.
GG. Horrible.
Blizzard please, get rid of Kespa.
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"OnGameNet will not be broadcasting the SK Planet Proleague this season."
As of right now OGN will not be involved with Proleague at any level for an English broadcast as far as I'm aware.
Am i missing something here?
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Norway25712 Posts
Oh my fucking god, KeSPA with this shit again?
Isn't this pretty similar to what KeSPA did back in BW days? I don't remember the full story from that.
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On December 06 2012 21:06 UnholyRai wrote:
Time for Blizzard to step in again?
If there was ever a good scenario, this it it. Too many people lose with the proposed arrangement; sponsors, fans, players, teams, casters. Fucking crazy.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:04 Pandemona wrote:LOL Well thats fucking stupid. Thanks a bunch KESPA, fucking animals!!! We are 2days away from EG.TL vs KT Rolster and we have NO IDEA, of where the stream is, and if it is going to cost and all that. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE ANNOUNCE SOMETHING So much good news in the past two days had to be counterbalanced by some bad news, I guess x.x Huge HOTS balance patch, EG Jaedong, TL-EG Proleague, WOL balance patch, CARRIER MICRO in hots. Quantic disbanding, OGN not giving an english broadcast for Proleague. Not sure if that even balances it out, brace for more bad news!
>.< i guess your right, the balance is not there!!
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This is going to be chaos! They better present us with an OGN level of production quality or I will be one upset Nerd.
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Completely fucking unacceptable in this day and age to not have an English stream available. I guess no one knows the full details, but it sounds pretty shitty.
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Good fucking lord KESPA, get your head out of your ass already x_x
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arkanoid holycrap it would be an interesting map
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dat update....
this kespa business is gettin old....i can't stand it.
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https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945
This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat*
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So sad to hear this. Does Kespa give a shit at all about their foreign viewers at all? What business would EG-TL have in Proleague if there is no proper way of following it for foreigners?
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should be interesting which english casters kespa are trying to hire.
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Blizzard please fix!! why does kespa have to ruin this =/ EG-TL vs KT with Doa would be so nice
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On December 06 2012 21:08 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:07 Musicus wrote:On December 06 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:04 Pandemona wrote:LOL Well thats fucking stupid. Thanks a bunch KESPA, fucking animals!!! We are 2days away from EG.TL vs KT Rolster and we have NO IDEA, of where the stream is, and if it is going to cost and all that. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE ANNOUNCE SOMETHING So much good news in the past two days had to be counterbalanced by some bad news, I guess x.x Huge HOTS balance patch, EG Jaedong, TL-EG Proleague, WOL balance patch, CARRIER MICRO in hots. Quantic disbanding, OGN not giving an english broadcast for Proleague. Not sure if that even balances it out, brace for more bad news! wait when did I miss carrier micro in hots? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/14dmb2/carrier_micro_has_been_added_into_hots/Watch the video.
Oh wow, this is really cool, Nony will be happy too .
On another note I wonder if EG-TL had accepted to play in proleague if they knew there was no english broadcast. Will still watch anyway but meh.
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Someone cast it in English or people will suffer!
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I was so fucking pumped for this...
At least nobody will come to defend kespa this time. Now everybody knows what to think of them.
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On December 06 2012 21:17 Dodgin wrote:https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat*
Meh, hate these kind of obvious "Would people like"-tweets. Just give the info ffs.
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I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused
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On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused
Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame.
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On December 06 2012 21:17 Dodgin wrote:https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat*
For now we could hope for this much, though it seems strange as they would have to cast at some weird hours.
Even if anything like that ends up being true, its a massive fuck up.
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I hope the Korean broadcast will still happen so that the English broadcast can still have time to sort it out between OGN and KeSPA. It would be a shame if the entirety of Proleague would be postponed because of this.
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KeSPA is protecting themselves and so they should , they have the best players and competition in RTS history. Im sure they will have a english broadcast setup soon with casters who recognise how lucky they would be to cast for them. It is in their interest to have an english broadcast so it will happen (whether it is ready for week 1 is another thing) - I dont mind as I quite like the vibe in the korean broacast (plus I get to learn korean names).
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Sayle will have to save the day again.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:17 Dodgin wrote:https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat*
Would prefer Moletrap to cast them those two >.<
But yeh when i saw the MLG Lee tweet the other day i did kinda think that MLG would try and get it. Which i personally think is very unfair to everyone else, but they are in a partnership with KESPA i guess.....
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What the fucking fuck kespa! Bring in foreign teams to proleague and now foreigners can't even fucking watch in English. God damn it. Fuck kespa.
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Meh, chill. Given Lee's tweet, I'm fairly certain MLG will broadcast it.
It's a dick move and I really feel sorry for Doa, but I'm not worried about no english stream at all.
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I wish I could say this was shocking news to me.
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On December 06 2012 21:17 Dodgin wrote:https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat*
If MLG does this, it better not be under a paywall like the MvP Invitational was.
If they do this. Dick move, Sundance...
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On December 06 2012 21:17 Dodgin wrote:https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat*
I hope not, I don't like MLG or their casters . Damnit I wanted to watch Doa cast again, though I guess an MLG stream is better than no stream. (Might end up watching the Korean stream personally but at least there might be an option to watch an English stream).
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unfortunate, its a loss for the majority of the foreign fans. I hope they can sort it out soon.
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well this is kinda crappy lol
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it looks like mlg was going to host the english cast after all. Poor ogn and doa.. What the hell is going on here :S
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What a fucking dick move by Kespa...
Showing their true colors yet again.
Ib4 paywall I guess T_T
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I feel like this move will hurt KesPA more than help. Sad for you DoA.
Apparently MLG will do the broadcast for the English people (since they tweeted a hint) but i really had hoped OGN does it.
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On December 06 2012 21:20 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame.
And why is IGN even involved if proleague belongs to kespa?
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On December 06 2012 21:23 opterown wrote:
well this is kinda crappy lol
How will we make the LR threads now!? We don't even know where this is being streamed.
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Perfect job for Moletrap !!!
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I'm pretty sure looking at esportstv youtube page there will be a korean stream on them but I hope its not only for koreans because that would really suck.
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Huge chance for someone to step in and commentate on their stream (i.e what Sayle did for BW).
Shouldn't actually be an issue for people who are fine with this work around.
Obviously would prefer a proper cast, esp with DOA.
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On December 06 2012 21:23 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:17 Dodgin wrote:https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945This tweet is about 15 hours old, I'm thinking maybe Kespa decided to let their partner MLG do the foreign broadcast for Proleague since they are a huge name in the foreign scene as opposed to OGN? With MLG viewership numbers would be much bigger since everyone already knows who MLG is, they could run the broadcast from their studio and have Axslav and Axeltoss cast it. *conspiracy hat* If MLG does this, it better not be under a paywall like the MvP Invitational was. If they do this. Dick move, Sundance...
If they do this TeamLiquid and EG managers will personally murder them I guess.... I cannot imagine them wanting to limit the sponsor exposure in they biggest project yet.
And holy shit, the week are to many annoucements to handle... EG-TL, EG.Jaedong, Proleague drama, HomestoryCup VI annoucements. To add to that, NASL4 finals this weekend and GSTL finals.....
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On December 06 2012 21:25 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame. And why is IGN even involved if proleague belongs to kespa?
IGN is not involved the IGN proleague and Proleague are 2 different things.
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On December 06 2012 21:25 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame. And why is IGN even involved if proleague belongs to kespa?
OGN broadcasts Proleague on their channel, for Kespa, but Proleague is owned by Kespa.
When MBCGame was still alive they also broadcasted Proleague, they would switch between venues for each match and both TV channels would broadcast it either live from their studio or over top of the other studio with their own casters.
If I understand this correctly, the only thing not happening here is English coverage of Proleague for OGN, OGN will still broadcast Proleague with their Korean casters.
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I would be quite happy if Moletrap doesn't cast this, and we'll have english other casters.
OSL cast was really bad except the one with Grubby.
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If KeSPA will let MLG do their English broadcast I won't really mind as a viewer. Axslav is a great caster and mlg has good production. I can't imagine it will be put behind a paywall, but obviously there will be a premium option for >360p (or >480p) quality.
However it seems like a bit of a dick move towards OGN from the outside. Maybe OGN were unreasonable or dickish behind the scenes, but from the outside it seems that KeSPA is the evil villain and honestly it doesn't need more of that sort of press.
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So this was about the English stream on OGN. Got it. Well, sucks of course. But i would probably watch Korean stream anyway.
I hope MLG does this right, if they are doing it.
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On December 06 2012 21:26 PeggyHill wrote:
Huge chance for someone to step in and commentate on their stream (i.e what Sayle did for BW).
Shouldn't actually be an issue for people who are fine with this work around.
Obviously would prefer a proper cast, esp with DOA.
chance for Ooooophidian to step up.
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Most of all, I will miss the best produced event in esports.. OGN knows how the fuck it is done.
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Sad news, i'd be pretty happy if MLG did cast if with there commentators as long as its still a free stream with paid vods/hd etc.
Interesting to see if EG-TL knew this was happening.
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On December 06 2012 21:27 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:25 -y0shi- wrote:On December 06 2012 21:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame. And why is IGN even involved if proleague belongs to kespa? OGN broadcasts Proleague on their channel, for Kespa, but Proleague is owned by Kespa. When MBCGame was still alive they also broadcasted Proleague, they would switch between venues for each match and both TV channels would broadcast it either live from their studio or over top of the other studio with their own casters. If I understand this correctly, the only thing not happening here is English coverage of Proleague for OGN, OGN will still broadcast Proleague with their Korean casters.
So Kespa decided theyd run their own stream simutaniously to OGNs aand "steal" their viewers? Just trying to understand this
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And I just purchased OGN subscription... Updates this thread and this.. ^^ Not that its a lot of money, hopefully there's an OSL upcoming soon .
Any info on where we can see the SPL now then?
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On December 06 2012 21:27 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:25 -y0shi- wrote:On December 06 2012 21:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame. And why is IGN even involved if proleague belongs to kespa? OGN broadcasts Proleague on their channel, for Kespa, but Proleague is owned by Kespa. When MBCGame was still alive they also broadcasted Proleague, they would switch between venues for each match and both TV channels would broadcast it either live from their studio or over top of the other studio with their own casters. If I understand this correctly, the only thing not happening here is English coverage of Proleague for OGN, OGN will still broadcast Proleague with their Korean casters.
That's the question, i read it as Proleague isn't being shown at OGN at all.
edit: I read again, he just spoke about the English coverage. So we don't know about the Korean.
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OGN had a good pricing setup ($6/month), if there is no english broadcast with a similar or better pricing structure from MLG, I'm just not going to watch at all.
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On December 06 2012 21:30 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:27 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:25 -y0shi- wrote:On December 06 2012 21:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:19 -y0shi- wrote:I dont get this, anyone willing to explain? Which Leagues did exist in korea and which belonged to kespa? Im confused Proleague belongs to Kespa, OSL and MSL belonged to the broadcast companies OnGameNet and MBCGame. And why is IGN even involved if proleague belongs to kespa? OGN broadcasts Proleague on their channel, for Kespa, but Proleague is owned by Kespa. When MBCGame was still alive they also broadcasted Proleague, they would switch between venues for each match and both TV channels would broadcast it either live from their studio or over top of the other studio with their own casters. If I understand this correctly, the only thing not happening here is English coverage of Proleague for OGN, OGN will still broadcast Proleague with their Korean casters. So Kespa decided theyd run their own stream simutaniously to OGNs aand "steal" their viewers? Just trying to understand this
" Steal " the foreigner viewers, I assume, yes.
What they are probably thinking is that MLG would do a better job than OGN in providing English coverage, and it would be better for Kespa if MLG ran the English stream.
The production for the OSL was pretty bad, lots of issues.
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On December 06 2012 21:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm pretty sure looking at esportstv youtube page there will be a korean stream on them but I hope its not only for koreans because that would really suck.
I agree with you on this. Hopefully EsportsTV continues to do its part.
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WTF... this is like turning down all of the hype.. no english stream -_-
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Doa you should try to get GOM to take you back ;o
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Here's Blizzard's first chance to flex their muscle with SC2. If KeSPA screws around too much then we could see Blizzard revoke their broadcasting license.
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On December 06 2012 21:30 stjartrov wrote:And I just purchased OGN subscription... Updates this thread and this.. ^^ Not that its a lot of money, hopefully there's an OSL upcoming soon . Any info on where we can see the SPL now then?
VLC stream is your best bet.
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darn , did they really have to fuck up this one?
a week of hype-building news , patches , maps , foreign team ... and then kespa makes a dick move and fucks it all around.
yeah ,good job.
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On December 06 2012 21:36 Meatloaf wrote:
darn , did they really have to fuck up this one?
a week of hype-building news , patches , maps , foreign team ... and then kespa makes a dick move and fucks it all around.
yeah ,good job.
thats kespa for you.
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On December 06 2012 21:34 Kiyo. wrote:
Here's Blizzard's first chance to flex their muscle with SC2. If KeSPA screws around too much then we could see Blizzard revoke their broadcasting license.
Why shouldn't KeSPA be free to not provide an English stream or alternatively be free to give the rights to MLG over OGN? Even if it is a shitty situation it seems ridiculous for Blizzard to step in.
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OGN will still broadcast for Korean TV audience, right ?
Anyway, I can't believe this, mega prizepool, mega hype, and Kespa ruins it.
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On December 06 2012 21:37 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:34 Kiyo. wrote:
Here's Blizzard's first chance to flex their muscle with SC2. If KeSPA screws around too much then we could see Blizzard revoke their broadcasting license. Why shouldn't OGN be free to not provide an English stream or alternatively be free to give the rights to MLG over OGN? Even if it is a shitty situation it seems ridiculous for Blizzard to step in.
Yeah I don't see Blizzard stepping in, It's well within Kespa's rights to select who they want to broadcast their product. It sucks for the OGN staff and Doa especially who went back to Korea to cast SC2 for OGN, but I don't see Blizzard doing anything about this at all.
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I feel bad for Doa, but as a viewer it may not make much of a difference. MLG as the english-cast provider rather than OGN, well, whatever.
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um if MLG is running the English stream how exactly dose that work will they have there production crew and casters up at 4:00am. Cuz I don't want to see a rebroadcast its just not the same.
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On December 06 2012 21:25 Dodgin wrote:How will we make the LR threads now!? We don't even know where this is being streamed.
LRs will find a way. LRs always finds a way.
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lol this is so sad. Kespa should get their stuff right this is only... stupid?
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On December 06 2012 21:37 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:34 Kiyo. wrote:
Here's Blizzard's first chance to flex their muscle with SC2. If KeSPA screws around too much then we could see Blizzard revoke their broadcasting license. Why shouldn't KeSPA be free to not provide an English stream or alternatively be free to give the rights to MLG over OGN? Even if it is a shitty situation it seems ridiculous for Blizzard to step in.
I'm not saying Blizzard would revoke their license if they picked another solid partner, just if they don't or wait too long. If MLG is ready and will broadcast starting Saturday I see no problems with this whole deal tbh.
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If The first match isn't broadcasted in English tomorrow night/morning, feel free to complain to Blizzard about how much KeSPA deserves to die.
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On December 06 2012 21:40 xyres wrote:
um if MLG is running the English stream how exactly dose that work will they have there production crew and casters up at 4:00am. Cuz I don't want to see a rebroadcast its just not the same.
The weekend broadcasts start at 7pm PST, so not that bad.
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On December 06 2012 21:40 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:23 opterown wrote:
well this is kinda crappy lol How will we make the LR threads now!? We don't even know where this is being streamed. LRs will find a way. LRs always finds a way.
seriously?
this is a non issue.
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On December 06 2012 21:29 Laryleprakon wrote:
Sad news, i'd be pretty happy if MLG did cast if with there commentators as long as its still a free stream with paid vods/hd etc.
Interesting to see if EG-TL knew this was happening.
I thought Scoots replied to the tweet from MLG saying something like 'Gimmie' - which would suggest that they knew there might not be an English stream prior to this? I'd be surprised if they weren't at least aware of it.
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On December 06 2012 21:40 xyres wrote:
um if MLG is running the English stream how exactly dose that work will they have there production crew and casters up at 4:00am. Cuz I don't want to see a rebroadcast its just not the same.
Yes, true. It can't be the same with MLG casting, they'd most certainly cast from the US and not directly from Korea. Although i have no idea whether there will be any live audience anyway... no idea how bad/good Proleague is gonna be production wise.
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On December 06 2012 21:40 xyres wrote:
um if MLG is running the English stream how exactly dose that work will they have there production crew and casters up at 4:00am. Cuz I don't want to see a rebroadcast its just not the same.
Weekend matches are at 13:00 KST, 7 pm PST/10 pm EST. It's totally doable, the question is if they would rebroadcast the weekday matches or do them live.
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I wonder who Kespa had as a third caster for OGN, anyone know this?
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Broadcasting offsite from replays would be massive fail. And I can't imagine it being good having observers from America. Onsite, live or complete failure.
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I'd assume we should hear something from MLG about this (if they are really doing it) today or at least tomorrow. Unless they have no intentions to broadcast the first set of games on Saturday, which would be stupid.
On December 06 2012 21:44 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:40 xyres wrote:
um if MLG is running the English stream how exactly dose that work will they have there production crew and casters up at 4:00am. Cuz I don't want to see a rebroadcast its just not the same. Weekend matches are at 13:00 KST, 7 pm PST/10 pm EST. It's totally doable, the question is if they would rebroadcast the weekday matches or do them live.
Interesting to see how this develops, especially when it comes to weekday's matches. I REALLY hope they don't do rebraodcasts, because thats just not for me at least.
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Well that's a reality check. I was getting excited to start watching SC2 again. Should have known better than to get my hope up
old dog, same old tricks
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LOL wut? Seriously, what are they on?
First they agree on EG-TL joining Proleague to get the foreigners interest up, just ot crush it with not having english casting?
Now I know why KeSPA is hated..
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On December 06 2012 21:21 Parcelleus wrote:
KeSPA is protecting themselves and so they should , they have the best players and competition in RTS history. Im sure they will have a english broadcast setup soon with casters who recognise how lucky they would be to cast for them. It is in their interest to have an english broadcast so it will happen (whether it is ready for week 1 is another thing) - I dont mind as I quite like the vibe in the korean broacast (plus I get to learn korean names).
Don't sit there for too long, your knees are going to hurt later.
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Yeah thats right. Kespa is hated But I don't know in this case it is much more an emberresment for all the people involved. If you build it up like this and then you screw around like this... you must be really disorganised or terribly stupid. I will watch korean stream hopefully they make a really broadcast on twitch or something or this will be such a sad move.
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This is such bullshit.
Im sorry DoA.
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I wouldn't have watched the English stream anyway, so, no loss for me. Maybe more people will discover the joys of Korean casting.
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This sucks for Doa/montecristo but i don't really mind not having any English commentary. Sc2 proleague, maps made in the last 3 months, and EGTL is enough to draw me in. Korean commentary is sort of entertaining in it's own right as well.
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@Sinensis It's still not OGN production, ENG or KR.
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last time i remember kespa doesnt care about people restreaming so im sure people could watch casters that way(gogo sayle?)
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EGTL should pull out of PL.
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whaat, man after a really exciting day of news and this...I guess there is still hope for the future though? man Kespa is a tough bull to deal with.
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Yea man, this hella blows!
I've always liked you Doa and I hope that you guys will be able to resolve this matter.
As for me, aside from the EG-TL, Flash, Fantasy, and Bogus games, I won't be watching.
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On December 06 2012 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:40 KristofferAG wrote:On December 06 2012 21:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 06 2012 21:23 opterown wrote:
well this is kinda crappy lol How will we make the LR threads now!? We don't even know where this is being streamed. LRs will find a way. LRs always finds a way. seriously? this is a non issue.
Dude, let us have our jokes. We've already expressed our distress over this, don't take everything too seriously.
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On December 06 2012 22:11 Zeon0 wrote:
EGTL should pull out of PL.
If there isn't an English stream announced in the next 24 hours, I agree.
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There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators.
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On December 06 2012 22:11 Zeon0 wrote:
EGTL should pull out of PL.
Isn't there an enormous initial fee in order to get your team into PL? I remember somebody talking about it in an interview a while ago.
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On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators.
What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.)
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EGTL will certainly raise a big fuss over this, as well the should.
So sorry for Doa as well. Way to kill the hype about EGTL Kespa...
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On December 06 2012 22:11 Zeon0 wrote:
EGTL should pull out of PL.
You know, at first this sounds like crazy talk but in all honesty, that's probably going to be a BIG factor here. I can't imagine EG and TL would have agreed to join without English broadcasts. Now Kespa will have to explain themselves to them and maybe some of their sponsors. These guys are seriously going on my nerves...one more reason to be happy for Jaedong, the further away from Kespa the better.
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Its up to the community to rebroadcast just as it has been for years. Shitty but not a surprise with those fucking nerds.
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On December 06 2012 22:32 Timerly wrote:You know, at first this sounds like crazy talk but in all honesty, that's probably going to be a BIG factor here. I can't imagine EG and TL would have agreed to join without English broadcasts. Now Kespa will have to explain themselves to them and maybe some of their sponsors. These guys are seriously going on my nerves...one more reason to be happy for Jaedong, the further away from Kespa the better.
Maybe it is now that a second time a rebellion of the supposedly weaker part of the connection will bring the Kespa goliath to the ground as happened with the OSL / GSL last season. The idea of jaedong being further away is really interesting 
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On December 06 2012 21:45 Gladiator333 wrote:
I wonder who Kespa had as a third caster for OGN, anyone know this?
Jason Lee
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I fucking hate Kespa sometimes. My god are they retarded.....
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Isn't the MLGLee tweet from before OGN found out they weren't going to be having an english stream? Far from MLG salvaging the situation, I imagine they caused it. And given SirScoots reply to MLGLee, I imagine he knows full well MLG have secured the rights.
Most likely situation is MLG made Kespa a good offer. I just have they have the quality to back it up, else its a dick move.
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Lack of free VODs and potentially having to pay double fee - for OGN and for SPOTV - may turn away many foreign fans.
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I don't give a shit about all the politics. If MLG broadcasts it, I'll be watching it. I'll probably like the commentators more too.
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On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.)
Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years?
You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter.
All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say.
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On December 06 2012 22:26 Elite_ wrote:If there isn't an English stream announced in the next 24 hours, I agree.
WHAT!?
You don't join the biggest korean team league of all time to get exposure to a foreign audience where everyone already knows you really well, you do so to get bigger in korea, and there will 100000% be a korean stream.
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On December 06 2012 22:45 yaletown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 21:45 Gladiator333 wrote:
I wonder who Kespa had as a third caster for OGN, anyone know this? Jason Lee
Jason "how do you feel when a protoss puts his canon in your backside" Lee ? amazing <3
+ Show Spoiler +And obviously this one is amazing :
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Whoever is running KeSPA deserves a good, solid slap. Talk about one step forward, two steps back.
Foreigners in Proleague! Yay!
New maps based on BW favourites! Yay!
No stream for the rest of the planet. Yuh...yay?
I don't get their business model.
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I do believe this was a background deal between KeSPA and MLG... I mean, Lee's tweet was 2 days ago. This shady background dealing is ridiculous.
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On December 06 2012 23:54 THF wrote:
I do believe this was a background deal between KeSPA and MLG... I mean, Lee's tweet was 2 days ago. This shady background dealing is ridiculous.
Yeah. I didn't like the MLG-KeSPA deal from the beginnnig. This is exactly turning out like I expected.
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
This is disappointing. How do they expect thier international exposure...
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On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say.
Ok, let's get oldschool here. I watched Quake tournaments in Russian, WC3 in Chinese, CS in Swedish and I enjoyed them all BUT that's not where we are now. Today we have the resources to make it enjoyable for almost everybody. We can livestream easier than ever before, we can get multiple video feeds delivered instantly, we have the technology so to speak. We're apparently just not getting any use out of it for fucking politics. I'm a spoiled brat by now, I agree. I enjoy understanding what is going on instead of just mindlessly screaming ULTRALISKEEEEE. For all that matters English commentators can do the exact same thing should they choose so. Appreciating the Korean style just means appreciating the screaming and fast talking while not understanding a thing which made those things funny and enjoyable in the first place. Yes we all watched Proleague in Korean at some point but there's no point in saying "it's still good". It's not. It's worse than it could be, there a huge demographic being cut out and I fully understand people who won't watch it in Korean.
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Canada13386 Posts
Oh KesPa, How I had hoped you would change.
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I don't really care about not having an english stream, as long as there IS an accessible stream.
This is just another disappointment in the long kespa disappointments list.
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KeSPA fucking sucks.
...again.
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the first two maps are a joke right? specially arkanoid...
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On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say.
Newsflash: people enjoy the game in different ways. Some enjoy cool strategies being executed, some enjoy perfect timing pushes, some enjoy the stories and drama, some enjoy the casters either cracking jokes or telling them what is going because else they won't understand, or any combination of the above.
No doubt the foreign viewer count will drop significantly if there is no English stream, perhaps to as low as a few hundred (hell OSL had like what, 3k? and that was in English!).
Spoiled? It's called progress, development, evolution, whatever you choose. Get off your high horse and realize that some people just won't watch if there are no English casters.
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On December 07 2012 01:30 Soulrivers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say. Newsflash: people enjoy the game in different ways. Some enjoy cool strategies being executed, some enjoy perfect timing pushes, some enjoy the stories and drama, some enjoy the casters either cracking jokes or telling them what is going because else they won't understand, or any combination of the above. No doubt the foreign viewer count will drop significantly if there is no English stream, perhaps to as low as a few hundred (hell OSL had like what, 3k? and that was in English!). Spoiled? It's called progress, development, evolution, whatever you choose. Get off your high horse and realize that some people just won't watch if there are no English casters.
We won't miss you. SC2 needs a proleague, and this is a huge step forward. Not everyone wants or needs English casters. Have you ever seen English casters match the epicness of "AHHHH PLAGUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUUUUUU"? I don't know why everyone is acting so hurt.
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I wan't to see this, and, since the time is prohibitively early for Europe, I wan't to see it through VODs. But I also wan't for there to an english-language livecast. Have money, need service. How hard can it be, Kespa?
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KeSPA is said to be the leading structure in professionalism if I recall correctly.
They are the guardians of the players and get them good and professional working conditions.
In a public statement they told that their next objective was to reach the "foreigners".
They ultimately failed and disappointing the whole foreign community.
Tournaments like GSL, IPL or MLG blow them out of the water in coordination. I at least know a weak in advance when things will be broadcasted. They do not respect their own will the protect their players when they refuse an obvious gigantic opportunity to get their players out there. Less spectators = Less money in the scene unless the scene is made out of rich people ( sc2 is mostly not )
When they do not allow players to get out of KeSPA's fangs, it cannot be considered as a professional behavior from KeSPA. It is simply them refusing to let their players go for something that might actually be better.
They do not, AT ALL mean to reach the foreigner community and this is an OUTRAGE. The expected professionalism from such a big organisation seems to be totally miss founded. I think that they should, from now, on earn our trust just like any tournaments. NASL has been punished extremely hard after not delivering the show we expected. KeSPA is denying our show in it's totality and we should not let this go through with some half-***** excuse. I DEMAND explanation from the organisation. I realize that their might be good reasons for them not to do this but if it is not correctly explained, you cannot pardon such misleading information they gave to the to be viewers. Trying to make your own league with your own players by using of their exclusivity and maliciously profiting from some of the NA scene's biggest teams to get your little league going is simply unacceptable ( unless proven otherwise ). You profit and give nothing in exchange. This is not a politic that should be used in today's SC2 community. If we cannot repress this behavior, I think we are in the trouble zone in the years to come.
For me tournaments that deserve to be viewed are GSL, IPL, MLG, Dreamhack and NASL. they really have been running the scene and I trust them to make the good calls at the the right moments. Props to them.
ps: KeSPA has 5 stars again on the "most evil e-sports organisation" ranking.
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To be honest I'm surprised TL isn't more positive about this news. I for one am relieved that Monte Christo won't be casting Proleague. Someone with so little SC2 experience has no business casting a premiere SC2 tournament.
If I were KeSPA, I would have removed OGNs casting privileges too.
I'm really sorry for Doa though.
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On December 07 2012 01:37 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 01:30 Soulrivers wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say. Newsflash: people enjoy the game in different ways. Some enjoy cool strategies being executed, some enjoy perfect timing pushes, some enjoy the stories and drama, some enjoy the casters either cracking jokes or telling them what is going because else they won't understand, or any combination of the above. No doubt the foreign viewer count will drop significantly if there is no English stream, perhaps to as low as a few hundred (hell OSL had like what, 3k? and that was in English!). Spoiled? It's called progress, development, evolution, whatever you choose. Get off your high horse and realize that some people just won't watch if there are no English casters. We won't miss you. SC2 needs a proleague, and this is a huge step forward. Not everyone wants or needs English casters. Have you ever seen English casters match the epicness of "AHHHH PLAGUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUUUUUU"? I don't know why everyone is acting so hurt.
Why would anyone NOT want English casters? Even if you personally do not watch them, some people will prefer it and that means more viewers.
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On December 07 2012 01:13 Reptilia wrote:
the first two maps are a joke right? specially arkanoid...
Lol Novice Arkanoid XD, Looks like a lot of the designers are using a lot of the BW map features. The bridges, and those more linear raised terrain look interesting to me.
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I don*t like the phrase, but KESPA is killing E-Sport. I mean every big E-Sportevent should have an english stream, most fans understand english, only a few understand swedish, french, german any other language or , like in this case, korean.
And to those people who say "just watch it in korean", well many people who watch SC2 don't know very much about the game and watching experience is better, if you have someone who points out the important things. I don't want to hear a guy screaming in a language which i don't understand just because it's "epic"...
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On December 07 2012 01:37 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 01:30 Soulrivers wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. All this is terrible. But while OGN and KeSPA settle their issues (and I hope it works out well for DoA and Monte Cristo). you can still watch Proloeague. Maybe Korean only, maybe via MLG, or whatever. And if it is Korean-only, maybe you'll get to appreciate thr style of Korean commentators - you don't need to understand what they say. Newsflash: people enjoy the game in different ways. Some enjoy cool strategies being executed, some enjoy perfect timing pushes, some enjoy the stories and drama, some enjoy the casters either cracking jokes or telling them what is going because else they won't understand, or any combination of the above. No doubt the foreign viewer count will drop significantly if there is no English stream, perhaps to as low as a few hundred (hell OSL had like what, 3k? and that was in English!). Spoiled? It's called progress, development, evolution, whatever you choose. Get off your high horse and realize that some people just won't watch if there are no English casters. We won't miss you. SC2 needs a proleague, and this is a huge step forward. Not everyone wants or needs English casters. Have you ever seen English casters match the epicness of "AHHHH PLAGUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUUUUUU"? I don't know why everyone is acting so hurt. It's all fine and dandy that you appreciate kind-of related incomprehensible screaming accompanying your streams, but I'd rather just mute that shit and listen to something I enjoy instead.
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On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter.
I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession.
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It's like a real life villain...
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Is EG really ok with no english stream?
Seems to me that they always calculate gain in exposure and this would be a major blow to their foreign sponsors.
Unless of course MLG will be doing the casting and the announcement is not done yet.
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United States33167 Posts
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Way to throw a bucket of piss on your own fire, Kespa
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no biggie for me tho, korean casters make me fap
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Well, someone can just show the Korean stream, mute the sound, and do impromptu commentary right?
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I feel bad for DoA, but big deal.
On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession.
Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast)
It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab.
I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
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On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
Yes it is surprising. They're shooting themselves in the leg. They've included a foreign team into the league which has pulled thousand of foreign eyes in the direction of proleague. By not including english casters they will be losing a lot of this foreign attention. The foreign fanbase GOM has garnered is probably keeping them afloat while KESPA drags themselves down.
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You've just proven my point.
KeSPA has done stupid things like this for years, even back in BW days. No one should be surprised by this. :p
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On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.)
But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.)
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Damn, feel bad for DoA and any english casters more than anything
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*I'm talking with OGN and KeSPA to get them to either upload the map files on the other servers or, more likely, give me the files so I can upload them myself. I'll keep people posted.*
Oh, about the maps on other servers. I already asked jacky about that. He said he'd upload soon.
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On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.)
I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans.
I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example.
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On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example.
I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this.
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On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this??
Indeed the biggest thing here is KeSPA is trying to protect their assets.
They aren't happy with OGN giving so little time to their league and want more exposure.
This is very similar to what Riot's been trying to do with LoL with regards to casting and exposure. They want their league to go over everything else.
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On December 07 2012 04:57 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example. I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this.
It is within their right to a certain extent.
Do you think it is fair to complain (let's assume the english cast is still happening) that they are broadcasting at 4am Eastern US Time?
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On December 07 2012 05:15 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:57 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example. I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this. It is within their right to a certain extent. Do you think it is fair to complain (let's assume the english cast is still happening) that they are broadcasting at 4am Eastern US Time?
No, not really. They are in their right to (and they should) cast during reasonable Korean times because that's presumably where most of their viewers are, and because it's the best time for the competitors and organizers. But if they're honestly serious about reaching out to foreigners, they should still look into having an English language stream at the same time, or putting up English VODs afterwards.
I'm more taking issue with the original quote that it's somehow unreasonable to expect any English language content, just because there was no English language content back in the BW days when there were no foreigners playing and KEPSA was making no real efforts to reach out to the foreign community.
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ROFL these maps are so bad. How the heck do you take a third as protoss on any of these new maps. Zerg can pressure so hard with Roach/ling on all of these new maps. I cannot imagine how bad you would have to be to lose as a zerg on any of these maps.
The spaces are so wide open that you would need like 6 forcefields to hold pressure. So bad.
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On December 07 2012 05:32 FakeLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:15 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:57 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:52 Torenhire wrote:On December 07 2012 04:23 FakeLife wrote:On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? But at least in the Brood War days, you were watching a product that was meant entirely for a Korean audience which had no foreigners participating. If I wanted to watch something like Australian Rules Football, I would assume that I would have to watch at Australian prime times, and know the language in that country. (Which is English, but you get the idea.) But presumably, KESPA is trying to get some foreign interest and involvement in their tournaments. Seeing as they seem interested in getting some foreign attention, I don't think it's being 'spoiled' to hope that they would at least have VODs in English, or some other concession to get English people interested. (I'm sure it's something EG and TL's sponsors wouldn't mind.) I don't really agree that it's spoiled either, but I don't agree with your post as well. It's a Korean tournament and it's going to cater to Koreans before non-Koreans. I agree it's stupid by KeSPA to bring in a foreign team and then cancel the English broadcast, but if they aren't in control of the situation, they won't care about anyone else. From my limited understanding, there was a disagreement about who is casting/how many people are going to cast, and instead of working it out, they just pulled the plug on it entirely. They've got a long track record of doing stupid things to keep their power in their hands, this is just another example. I think we basically agree. They should focus on the Korean audience first, but it's a really dumb move to not offer an English language cast when you're obviously trying to cater to the foreign crowd (at least somewhat) and foreign fans are within their right to be put off by this. It is within their right to a certain extent. Do you think it is fair to complain (let's assume the english cast is still happening) that they are broadcasting at 4am Eastern US Time? No, not really. They are in their right to (and they should) cast during reasonable Korean times because that's presumably where most of their viewers are, and because it's the best time for the competitors and organizers. But if they're honestly serious about reaching out to foreigners, they should still look into having an English language stream at the same time, or putting up English VODs afterwards. I'm more taking issue with the original quote that it's somehow unreasonable to expect any English language content, just because there was no English language content back in the BW days when there were no foreigners playing and KEPSA was making no real efforts to reach out to the foreign community.
That is fair, then.
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On December 07 2012 00:37 shiroiusagi wrote:This is disappointing. How do they expect thier international exposure...
Lets get the foreign community really excited by adding TL-EG to Proleague! And then make everyone mad by shafting the non-korean fans...
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On December 07 2012 04:59 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:09 Torenhire wrote:I feel bad for DoA, but big deal. On December 07 2012 02:47 FakeLife wrote:On December 06 2012 23:22 VManOfMana wrote:On December 06 2012 22:30 Elite_ wrote:On December 06 2012 22:27 Integra wrote:
There will always be a korean stream, Don't they have a direct stream from Youtube as always once the event starts? We could still watch it, but without english commentators. What's the point of having a foreign team in Proleague if foreign fans that don't study Korean can't understand the casters? (That's at least 99% of foreign fans.) Is it so hard to enjoy Proleague the same way it has been done for years? You kids are fucking spoiled - won't take something unless given in a silver platter. I can't even comprehend the concept that streams which aren't in the middle of the night and in a language I actually speak are somehow a luxurious concession. Plenty of people watched Brood War and there was never an English cast (unless it was a rebroadcast) It's not like this is the end of the world, lol. It's a tournament IN KOREA, of course it's going to be in Korean and at a retarded time for people not in Korea. IMO you don't need English casters to know when something is/isn't happening, you could tell it in BW and in SC2 you have so many more tools that you don't need someone to say "oh man he's going DTs" because Production tab. I mean, KeSPA could easily accommodate English casters but is anyone really surprised by this?? Indeed the biggest thing here is KeSPA is trying to protect their assets. They aren't happy with OGN giving so little time to their league and want more exposure. This is very similar to what Riot's been trying to do with LoL with regards to casting and exposure. They want their league to go over everything else.
Riot acts to give their game the biggest exposure possible tho, thats exactly the contrary of whats happening here.
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I hope it works out, but I'm glad OGN still has OSL.
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On December 07 2012 06:21 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I hope it works out, but I'm glad OGN still has OSL.
Well obviously they still have the OSL, it's their own league.
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On December 07 2012 06:23 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 06:21 oOOoOphidian wrote:
I hope it works out, but I'm glad OGN still has OSL. Well obviously they still have the OSL, it's their own league.
Clearly.
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On December 07 2012 05:40 mrRoflpwn wrote:
ROFL these maps are so bad. How the heck do you take a third as protoss on any of these new maps. Zerg can pressure so hard with Roach/ling on all of these new maps. I cannot imagine how bad you would have to be to lose as a zerg on any of these maps.
The spaces are so wide open that you would need like 6 forcefields to hold pressure. So bad.
In which case teams will probably send out non-Protoss players on those maps, which works out with this format. It's not like BW had a completely balanced Proleague map pool before. And when you do see races on their unfavored maps, things might get really interesting.
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On December 07 2012 06:45 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:40 mrRoflpwn wrote:
ROFL these maps are so bad. How the heck do you take a third as protoss on any of these new maps. Zerg can pressure so hard with Roach/ling on all of these new maps. I cannot imagine how bad you would have to be to lose as a zerg on any of these maps.
The spaces are so wide open that you would need like 6 forcefields to hold pressure. So bad. In which case teams will probably send out non-Protoss players on those maps, which works out with this format. It's not like BW had a completely balanced Proleague map pool before. And when you do see races on their unfavored maps, things might get really interesting.
Yes, people forget about this dynamic of team leagues. Don't you remember Crossfire and Calm Before the Storm in GSTL map pool long after they knew these maps were bad for individual league?
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so how do we put pressure on them without boycotting?
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Disappointing but as always with KeSPA not surprising...
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I have a question regarding the KeSPA - eSF player trade ban and the length of this season.
So, should we assume that this 'year long proleague season' is actually only 8 month in order to end before August?
Or will we see a crazy player buying frenzy right before round 6 or the playoffs because the ban will be lifted then?
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Question! I didn't want to make a new thread, and I think this was the best thread to post in ...
For a Christmas gift, I want to gift a friend the $5 subscription for twitch.tv/sc2proleague. However, twitch doesn't seem to have a "gift a subscription" option. I've done some searches on the twitch help, Google, and on TL.net, but there doesn't seem to be any information. Does this option simply not exist?
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the new maps looks really good! except arkanoid.. dustin browders wet dream :D
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So I just read on the news that STX Korea is basically broke, wonder how that will affect the team...
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Can someone please upload these maps on EU?
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On December 21 2012 00:47 Gladiator333 wrote:Can someone please upload these maps on EU?
I played on Bifrost 3 days ago. "Kespa Bifrost".
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What/How do they count the games in the rounds ? I saw the cutoff point after 3rd team, but what does it mean ? What do top 3 teams after each round get ? All teams play in 7 rounds so what happens in play-offs ? Only round winners play ? Do they make a huge table with 49 games ? Wiki has no info about that.
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On December 31 2012 21:46 Jochan wrote:
What/How do they count the games in the rounds ? I saw the cutoff point after 3rd team, but what does it mean ? What do top 3 teams after each round get ? All teams play in 7 rounds so what happens in play-offs ? Only round winners play ? Do they make a huge table with 49 games ? Wiki has no info about that.
Wiki assumed that everyone knows the basics. Just tally win-loss records after 6 rounds of regular season like every other major sports, usually top 4 teams get to play the playoff. Since KeSPA has not announced the format of playoff, so we are not completely sure how playoff goes. Back in the days, they have winner's league playoff also, it is very unlikely that they will do that for this season.
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Has it been officially confirmed that Round 2 will have the same maps as Round 1 and that the all-kill format will be slightly different from GSTL's by having a pre-determined map order?
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On January 02 2013 17:37 2xNoodle wrote:
Has it been officially confirmed that Round 2 will have the same maps as Round 1 and that the all-kill format will be slightly different from GSTL's by having a pre-determined map order?
looked like it. the map order for this weekend matchups has been released and I see zero changes. Dunno if they make some modifications though
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Will anyone with a korean account please upload ANY replay played on KeSPA Caldeum to http://www.drop.sc so that it can be published to NA/EU.
It's been months yet Kespa still hasn't bothered uploading the maps to NA/EU even though it literally takes 2 min.
You can find Bifrost, Arkanoid, and Planet S by searching for 'kespa' in Custom Games on NA/EU. KeSPA Caldeum will be available as soon as I get a Caldeum replay...
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does anyone know who the people are that are casting now?
there is one guy with a pretty severe speech impediment
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On January 03 2013 21:41 movitz wrote:
does anyone know who the people are that are casting now?
there is one guy with a pretty severe speech impediment
Supernovamaniac and Whiplash. Supernovamaniac is the one with the accent.
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I thought that the proleague was gonna be commentated by TB, mr.bitter etc. what happened ?
i mean it's not like i hate these guys, but i am a bit confused and can't find any info about it.
why are they casting instead of the other casters announced when TL/EG said they were gonna produce the english cast ?
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Why is Revival starting in round2 of the proleague for eg-tl? O-0
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On December 20 2012 23:23 erby wrote:
Question! I didn't want to make a new thread, and I think this was the best thread to post in ...
For a Christmas gift, I want to gift a friend the $5 subscription for twitch.tv/sc2proleague. However, twitch doesn't seem to have a "gift a subscription" option. I've done some searches on the twitch help, Google, and on TL.net, but there doesn't seem to be any information. Does this option simply not exist?
As far as i know twitch.tv doesn't have this option, but it is a really good idea. Pretty sure gomtv.net does have this option. I'd suggest shooting them a recommendation email, i'm pretty sure a lot of people would be interested in something like this.
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On January 03 2013 21:48 str10_hurts wrote:
Why is Revival starting in round2 of the proleague for eg-tl? O-0
Because revival is on EG? He joined shortly after Jaedong did.
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Any statistics about the audience ? The event is followed by Koreans ?
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On January 05 2013 01:38 Jeyopo wrote:
Any statistics about the audience ? The event is followed by Koreans ?
What importance is this to you? How about you enjoy the show yourself instead of worrying how big the audience is elsewhere. I see these type of responses way too often in all the LR threads about the audience and how they are. It comes off as incredibly defensive. If you enjoy the matches great. Don't worry what anyone else thinks if it's value to you.
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I want to play the maps TT but nice cast and nice proleague.
I need more
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On January 05 2013 01:48 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 01:38 Jeyopo wrote:
Any statistics about the audience ? The event is followed by Koreans ? What importance is this to you? How about you enjoy the show yourself instead of worrying how big the audience is elsewhere. I see these type of responses way too often in all the LR threads about the audience and how they are. It comes off as incredibly defensive. If you enjoy the matches great. Don't worry what anyone else thinks if it's value to you.
It's a legitimate question. He's just wondering how big the following is. You're the one coming off as incredibly defensive.
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On January 09 2013 02:15 Madera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 01:48 StarStruck wrote:On January 05 2013 01:38 Jeyopo wrote:
Any statistics about the audience ? The event is followed by Koreans ? What importance is this to you? How about you enjoy the show yourself instead of worrying how big the audience is elsewhere. I see these type of responses way too often in all the LR threads about the audience and how they are. It comes off as incredibly defensive. If you enjoy the matches great. Don't worry what anyone else thinks if it's value to you. It's a legitimate question. He's just wondering how big the following is. You're the one coming off as incredibly defensive.
I agree. Everybody who cares about the game want the game to know if its growing or not. Korea was the center of bw and imo its still the center in sc2.
Its important to all of us that our loved sc2 grow as much as possible in Korea.
You are in the defensive here.
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Anyone knows what music they play between matches? When they show the next players/map.
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On January 09 2013 02:10 Acied wrote:I want to play the maps TT but nice cast and nice proleague. I need more Search "KeSPA" in Custom Games, they're all there.
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Sorry if this is ITT but in the OP it says you are unsure if fans can spectate live at the Sindorim studio. If I wanted to go today would I be able to get in?
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United States97276 Posts
There have been spectators there each week. He just said he was unsure because the OP was written before any games were played there.
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On February 26 2013 08:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:
There have been spectators there each week. He just said he was unsure because the OP was written before any games were played there.
I just wasn't sure if those were friends of players/team-mates or they let anyone in.
Thanks.
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When will occur the transition into Hots in Proleague?
I am sorry, I am sure it was already discussed, but I wasn't able to find this information.
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United States97276 Posts
At the start of Round 4. Round 3 ends on March 5 I believe. Whatever next Tuesday is
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One of my favorite parts of proleague is the potential for maps changes every round. It's really nice that they are taking an initative of making new, cool, possibly imbalanced maps (Caldeum, Arkanoid, and Neo Planet S which will be in the HotS ladder pool). Also nice to see them retiring old maps that have enjoyed their stay for too long.
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Anyone know what that "Go! Go! Go!" song is?
They play it when they're showing match outtakes/clips like Bisu's "Revival of Revolutionists!"
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Is anyone going to proleague on the 7th in Seoul?
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Can anyone confirm that the finals on Aug 3rd will be held at iPark mall in Seoul?
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