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On December 19 2012 02:17 crbox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 01:30 DemigodcelpH wrote:On December 18 2012 22:13 crbox wrote:On December 18 2012 21:23 IMPrime wrote:
this is literally the greatest troll topic in the history of starcraft 2 I wouldn't call this "great" or "greatest". Kind of sad to see a bunch of low level players cry about balance, when really they should just try and get better. Nobody is crying, and players are always trying to get better, though it's a less appealing when most of us can tell you first-hand that we can off-race as Zerg and reach up to two leagues higher within a relatively small time-frame. This is also not a "troll" thread. Ver deployed a wonderfully crafted sarcasm and satire to get the attention of Blizzard in an unconventional way in regards to very real balance issues (the graphs and data he collected support this notion). LOL. Why aren't you switching to Zerg then?
I play random.
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The op is terrible. From the very beginning till the very end it's whining and manipulation of facts.
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On December 19 2012 10:39 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 22:04 vthree wrote:
I have Dustin has been watching the Blizzard Cup. The queen patch pretty much made zerg unkillable from early game all ins unless they mess up. However, zergs now have the best early game all ins now. If you scout it too late, you are screwed. Seems to me that throughout the game at all stages, Zerg has a distinct advantage in both MUs.
i think zerg all ins are actually pretty bad, but imo the problem is they can know if it will be good before they even do it
12 roach push (before speed), you can check his bunker position, rally roaches TO attack his bunker from egg form, all with the vision of overlord spots mapmakers patched into to fix zerg's crappy pre-OL speed scouting
Roach ling bane, if you overlord scout his production facilities and see marine hellion medivac you can blindly do this all in and end up equal or ahead more times than not because roach ling bane is just the "counter" to this.
muta ling bane all in on 3 bases, you can scout his tank count, turret count, marin count, etc all with mutas. the all in doesn't commence until the banes are morphed, you can harass and if he is well prepared, you just DONT do it and instead tech to hive and add in infestors etc
there are a lot of ways for zerg to kill you that are extremely easy. the overlord nooks and crannies that were designed to assist zerg before overlords got buffed imho have made zerg a veeeeeeeeeeery easy race to all in with. look at some of the top zergs and how they play.
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On December 19 2012 11:42 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 10:39 zmansman17 wrote:On December 18 2012 22:04 vthree wrote:
I have Dustin has been watching the Blizzard Cup. The queen patch pretty much made zerg unkillable from early game all ins unless they mess up. However, zergs now have the best early game all ins now. If you scout it too late, you are screwed. Seems to me that throughout the game at all stages, Zerg has a distinct advantage in both MUs. i think zerg all ins are actually pretty bad, but imo the problem is they can know if it will be good before they even do it 12 roach push (before speed), you can check his bunker position, rally roaches TO attack his bunker from egg form, all with the vision of overlord spots mapmakers patched into to fix zerg's crappy pre-OL speed scouting Roach ling bane, if you overlord scout his production facilities and see marine hellion medivac you can blindly do this all in and end up equal or ahead more times than not because roach ling bane is just the "counter" to this.muta ling bane all in on 3 bases, you can scout his tank count, turret count, marin count, etc all with mutas. the all in doesn't commence until the banes are morphed, you can harass and if he is well prepared, you just DONT do it and instead tech to hive and add in infestors etc there are a lot of ways for zerg to kill you that are extremely easy. the overlord nooks and crannies that were designed to assist zerg before overlords got buffed imho have made zerg a veeeeeeeeeeery easy race to all in with. look at some of the top zergs and how they play.
Bolded part made me laugh. So you say "if he overlord scouts his production facalities and see this, you can go blindly all in". No this is not blindly this is scouting and seeing he can.
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I guess this is the place to put my grievances with Blizzard saying the game seems "fine." I go to the highest level of competition premier tournaments on liquipedia. I start with May. 27 tournament sample size so 54 finalists. Terran has 5 wins and 4 runnerup finishes.
Thats 1 in 6 finalists are terran. It should be 1 in 3. I just want the game to be fair and not queen turtle into infestor into corrupter infestor broodlord every game. I want to see my terran favorites fight on a level playing field and be ale to compete.
I get some of this may be satire from Ver, but some of it is true and accurate.
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Wait for Hots. Terran does just fine there.
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On December 19 2012 13:43 FLuE wrote:
Wait for Hots. Terran does just fine there.
50% of the Terran race is non-viable in HotS, Idra has publicly stated that mech isn't viable as long as Roach/Hydra + Viper exists, and Zerg just received a super fungal in patch #10 after a long harsh two weeks since the fungal nerf.
Don't think so.
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I think if you want to have sensible stats you have to discredit stephano from ZvT winrates, foreigner-wise he is league of his own, using hydras and shit.
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Perhaps this zerg onslaught is blizzard's intention for another reason.
Let's look at the timeline of WoL. Terran domination at start. Balance towards the middle. Zerg domination towards end.
What expansion is coming out? HoS, where zerg are supposed to dominate.
I can't offer any proof of this being the reason for the trend, save to say my tinfoil hat is approving of the possibility. I will try to revisit this after Legacy of the Void comes out and we can see the scope of HoS release.
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On December 19 2012 22:51 Confuse wrote:
Perhaps this zerg onslaught is blizzard's intention for another reason.
Let's look at the timeline of WoL. Terran domination at start. Balance towards the middle. Zerg domination towards end.
What expansion is coming out? HoS, where zerg are supposed to dominate.
I can't offer any proof of this being the reason for the trend, save to say my tinfoil hat is approving of the possibility. I will try to revisit this after Legacy of the Void comes out and we can see the scope of HoS release.
that would legitimately be the worst game design in the history of mankind. But.......... ergh no :D
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On December 19 2012 13:53 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 13:43 FLuE wrote:
Wait for Hots. Terran does just fine there. 50% of the Terran race is non-viable in HotS, Idra has publicly stated that mech isn't viable as long as Roach/Hydra + Viper exists, and Zerg just received a super fungal in patch #10 after a long harsh two weeks since the fungal nerf. Don't think so.
Wait IdrA said it? DAMN it must be true then
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I thought this article was serious until it got to the whole whiteman vs korean thing... good stuff 
Clever and well written jokes are the best!
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Best article in TL since the Elephant one.
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I am having a really hard time telling if there was any satirical component to this blog.
One: Ver has a [imo: legitimate] history of feeling this way in a strictly balance sense: e.g. Terran has lower margin for error, weaker end-game, and infestors are simply bad game design.
Two: Hypothetically, if Blizzard's goal is to increase viewership, and the devs were tasked with this deliverable, this is one of the best ways to accomplish said goal.
Three: * Personal reasons, I'm biased. I have mained Terran since Lim Yo Hwan inspired and demanded my allegiance. Even though I have given up gaming (and haven't played in half a year), I still lean Terran.
That being said, there are massive both financial and moral implications for rigging a game for a company purporting to be an eSports pioneer that Blizzard would not tend to do. I don't think even Blizzard could survive such a backlash if implicated and convicted by the court of public opinion (much less rigorous and less forgiving than a court of law). Persons/bodies as a unit tend to act in a risk-averse way if they are in advantageous positions. To say Blizzard is successful is... putting it mildly. Risk management/Negotiation/Game theory 101.
I assume Ver knows this and multiple other unstated reasonings I have (because this is the interwebs). I assume this because he appears to be at least somewhat well-read.
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On December 19 2012 11:16 Cheerio wrote:
The op is terrible. From the very beginning till the very end it's whining and manipulation of facts.
Now that you clearly refuted all arguments of the op I can precisely see how wrong he is.
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Why do so many like to think that the OP wasn't serious? I think 90% of the stuff is serious , even the conspiracy sounds quite believable.
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On December 20 2012 11:10 1raxexpand wrote:
Why do so many like to think that the OP wasn't serious? I think 90% of the stuff is serious , even the conspiracy sounds quite believable.
He did inject humor into the post. However I agree, the meat of the argument all seems completely valid.
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i cant tell if this is tongue in cheek or if this clown OP is actually serious. the writing is just that bad
and somehow this gets on the front page
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On December 20 2012 04:38 crbox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 13:53 DemigodcelpH wrote:On December 19 2012 13:43 FLuE wrote:
Wait for Hots. Terran does just fine there. 50% of the Terran race is non-viable in HotS, Idra has publicly stated that mech isn't viable as long as Roach/Hydra + Viper exists, and Zerg just received a super fungal in patch #10 after a long harsh two weeks since the fungal nerf. Don't think so. Wait IdrA said it? DAMN it must be true then
I don't know, this guy cited a pro player to back up his idea, you? Who are you again? Ah right, I am pretty sure IdrA's comment holds more water than a random nobody like you, no offense.
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